Has the RSS lost to Modi's ambition?

[JanjaWeed]

Anyways what are the chaps at Tehalka whining about. If RSS has lost, it's good...right? Has the RSS suddenly become their last hope?

Well.. it's a catch 22 situation for the detractors.. isn't it? Not that long ago you had pro-secular media blabbering about how Sangh is controlling BJP, & now one of their ilk seems to have a problem with BJP leading the way! Oh well.. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[janon]

Can you point out a single article supporting Modi which is written by a Muslim? Even a blog piece will do.

If you cant, it is proof enough the Muslim's opposition to Modi is not objective but based on religion.

Zafar Sareshwala's Blogs: Why Gujarati Muslims are with Modi

 

[rafiqali]

Zafar Sareshwala's Blogs: Why Gujarati Muslims are with Modi

Ok! Thanks.

So now I change my assessment as follows:

But for a vanishingly minuscule minority who assess Modi's performance objectively, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are viscerally against Modi simply on account of their religion.

 

[janon]

Ok! Thanks.

So now I change my assessment as follows:

But for a vanishingly minuscule minority who assess Modi's performance objectively, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are viscerally against Modi simply on account of their religion.

Yes, I knew that your response would be to move the goalpost.

If you really believe that muslims are against Modi because of islam, you have to ask yourselves why. Is it because it says in the quran or hadiths to hate Modi? Or could it be because of Modi's actions?

 

[rafiqali]

Yes, I knew that your response would be to move the goalpost.

If you really believe that muslims are against Modi because of islam, you have to ask yourselves why. Is it because it says in the quran or hadiths to hate Modi? Or could it be because of Modi's actions?

I have not moved the goalposts. I have simply iterated my response according to the data. So if I find one Muslim among a thousand favoring Modi, Vanishingly Minuscule is the exact term to use.

What specific actions on part of Modi you may be alluding to?

 

[janon]

I have not moved the goalposts. I have simply iterated my response according to the data. So if I find one Muslim among a thousand favoring Modi, Vanishingly Minuscule is the exact term to use.

What specific actions on part of Modi you may be alluding to?

That's for you to answer, since you are the one who thinks muslims hate him because of their religion. Since I'm pretty sure that Islamic texts don't mention modi, there must be some other reason, right?

And yes you did move the goalposts - first you said even a single blog will invalidate your hypothesis. When presented one, you still persist with it.

 

[rafiqali]

That's for you to answer, since you are the one who thinks muslims hate him because of their religion. Since I'm pretty sure that Islamic texts don't mention modi, there must be some other reason, right?

And yes you did move the goalposts - first you said even a single blog will invalidate your hypothesis. When presented one, you still persist with it.

Yes! it does invalidate my hypothesis that 100% Muslims hate Modi. I accept that.

Now I m convinced that only 99.999% do so.

I m just making a claim based on empirical data. The underlying reasons can be researched into.

 

[janon]

Yes! it does invalidate my hypothesis that 100% Muslims hate Modi. I accept that.

Now I m convinced that only 99.999% do so.

I m just making a claim based on empirical data. The underlying reasons can be researched into.

Tell me something - why did you ask for at least one blog post by a muslim supporting modi? What was your intention? To decide whether the figure is 100% or 99.99%?

 

[Mitro]

Bolo Fekochand maharaj ki .....
Bolo bolo chup kyu ho maharaja dhiraj fekochand ki ........

 

[Bang Galore]

Ok! Thanks.

So now I change my assessment as follows:

But for a vanishingly minuscule minority who assess Modi's performance objectively, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are viscerally against Modi simply on account of their religion.

You still haven't answered a question put by @janon earlier. How does a Muslim's religion in itself prevent him/her from looking at Modi objectively? Why only Modi, if the bias is based on religion?

 

[rafiqali]

That's for you to answer, since you are the one who thinks muslims hate him because of their religion. Since I'm pretty sure that Islamic texts don't mention modi, there must be some other reason, right?

And yes you did move the goalposts - first you said even a single blog will invalidate your hypothesis. When presented one, you still persist with it.

Yes! it does invalidate my hypothesis that 100% Muslims hate Modi. I accept that.

Now I m convinced that only 99.999% do so.

I m just making a claim based on empirical data. The underlying reasons can be researched into.

Tell me something - why did you ask for at least one blog post by a muslim supporting modi? What was your intention? To decide whether the figure is 100% or 99.99%?

If 50% Muslims support Modi and 50% dont, then only it can be asserted that religion has no role in their opinion. Otherwise, religious bias is apparent and stark.

Dont know how you can interpret it otherwise.

 

[rafiqali]

You still haven't answered a question put by @janon earlier. How does a Muslim's religion in itself prevent him/her from looking at Modi objectively? Why only Modi, if the bias is based on religion?

First let us accept that religious bias is preventing objectivity. Only after that reasons can be looked into.

Here we have people who are not able to agree to a conclusion. Why point is there then to discuss reasons?

 

[Bang Galore]

First let us accept that religious bias is preventing objectivity. Only after that reasons can be looked into.

In that case, it could well be true of you dismissing any reason for non-support merely because of an ingrained bias against them.

Here we have people who are not able to agree to a conclusion. Why point is there then to discuss reasons?

You made the argument, it would be for you to prove that case.

 

[rafiqali]

In that case, it could well be true of you dismissing any reason for non-support merely because of an ingrained bias against them.

Data speaks for itself.

You made the argument, it would be for you to prove that case.

I just made an observation. It is for you to disprove the overwhelming preponderance of evidence.

 

[sankranti]

If you really believe that muslims are against Modi because of islam, you have to ask yourselves why. Is it because it says in the quran or hadiths to hate Modi? Or could it be because of Modi's actions?

Oh Plueezzz......Muslims hates modi because of his "actions"? ....... speaking the 'secular' propaganda I see.

Muslims hate Modi because they hate everything he stands for. Country before religion, equality for Men and Women, Uniform civil code that treats hindus and muslims the same, clamp down on minority appeasement policies, Restoration of Hindu pride, reclaiming our dharmic culture and civilization and Truth and Reconciliation between hindus and muslims that start with correcting historical bigotry that destroyed Holy Hindu places of worship.

Lets cut this 'secular' cr@p and stop pretending muslim hatred for Modi is anything else.


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