Has NRO only become our destiny?

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword just wait and watch... even dhandli case was pretty straightforward..but what happened in tht?


are u watching Ch Nisar's press conference? should have seen the beginning of tht press conference atleast.. the way he was laughing... never seen him laughing like tht.. maybe mocking the people of Pakistan.... never seen him in such mood before although I have watched his conferences many times... his laughter was enough to tell us, our worth

first, I believe, no change is coming through SC... and even if it comes, it will be again something like Raja Rental replacing Gilani.. you yourself said tht maybe someone in their family will take his place.. means no respite for ppl of Pakistan again..nothing against corruption..no change to the system

 

[PakSword]

never seen him laughing like tht

My bad, I was in my office otherwise would have watched it.

I think he is excited because of his dream of becoming the PM may come true. Poor chap.

Yes, no change as monkey will be replaced with donkey. But one family is gone for sure.

 

[Arsalan]

Army has her inherent interests. Dharna I seemed to be a cover up for Mushi's escape and Dharna II (Wanabe) seems like a cover to push government on Dawn leak. Baqi COAS can't do anything on his own. CCs share power with him now. Well a bad day for worshipers, the idol turns out to be a humanoid. Army has been intervening for almost half of our national history and always ends up breeding the same "corrupt" leadership. Btw I do honestly believe that had Quaid e Azam lived for 5-6 more years, he would have also been ousted by the Army branding him "corrupt" Army has alot of interest to look after, political interests, media interests, business interests and national interests. Which comes first is really a dubious debate. The beauty is that they can take the corrupt and brand him clean and the using him as a puppet.

hahahahahahah
man you hatred towards the military is astounishing!!! It really is
hilarious guy
BTW you talking about same "mushi" who the PMLN promised to prosecute? never mind, they promised to drag Zardari in streets as well. We all know what happened!!!

Get a life my friend. There are things bigger than PMLN or PTI. This country and its people being one.

 

[SBD-3]

hahahahahahah
man you hatred towards the military is astounishing!!! It really is
hilarious guy
BTW you talking about same "mushi" who the PMLN promised to prosecute? never mind, they promised to drag Zardari in streets as well. We all know what happened!!!

Get a life my friend. There are things bigger than PMLN or PTI. This country and its people being one.

Well If you really considering pointing to wrongs as "hate" then what can I say about that.
Rest assured rants don't change the history.

 

[Arsalan]

Well If you really considering pointing to wrongs as "hate" then what can I say about that.
Rest assured rants don't change the history.

Exactly!!!
That is what i have been trying to say. Rants do not change history!

Finally you got the point.

We all know our history very well and the nation have been fooled enough with the political martyrs already.

 

[Village life]

Exactly!!!
That is what i have been trying to say. Rants do not change history
We all know our history very well and the nation have been fooled enough with the political martyrs already.

Yes you are right sir we are now understanding the history, first produce puddle pseudo politicians, groom them and let them to attain all the resource and power that makes them fake gods,then ask the people to rise against and then some how other fake gods jump in the play and they Finley save that fake god ,a NRO is signed, Allah Allah ty khair sala, o yes and then the people are being told that the democracy is the only solution of all the dilemmas of nation, if some one asks any question he is labelled as anti democracy ,isolated, humiliated and cornered, and then that m**.f constitution carriers on and on serving the most corrupte system in the universe(7th lawless nation), and in this so called free and independent democratic system one who says a word he is blocked even in PDF

 

[The Eagle]

the nation have been fooled enough with the political martyrs already.

That is the most relevant, considered and discussed part among the corrupt elite now a days, as an option when there is no way because of the incompetence and infected behaviour. The lust of money and greed pushes them towards an end that these elites already had in mind as an escape way as well as an excuse to fool the public again, The Political Martyrs.

 

[Farah Sohail]

That is the most relevant, considered and discussed part among the corrupt elite now a days, as an option when there is no way because of the incompetence and infected behaviour. The lust of money and greed pushes them towards an end that these elites already had in mind as an escape way as well as an excuse to fool the public again, The Political Martyrs.

I have a question... While I agree tht politicians should not be allowed to be made political martyrs...but then it has other side/consequences too... Military doesnt want to act on its own/ and want to follow the due process, as in dawn leaks case..although politicians have numerous opportunities to temper with due process also, like appointing their friends and loyalists as committee members.. But when politicians know tht military will not act on its own...its a win win for politicians in both ways... Politicians take it as an opportunity, tht military will not act and thus, they see it as weakness of military, which they have now..tht they know military wont act....

Both ways..its a win win for politicians how? Becuse they know...tht if military acts ..they will be made political martyrs...and if military doesnt .which is the case right now...then it has even more serious consequences..because politicians feel...tht they can get away with anything... And they have a free run...to do anything they want..because no one can challenge them...

Earlier...they used to have fear of military..but now they dont even have tht...because now they know this weakness of milktary tht since military have decided they will not take any action...now politicians are free to do anything...

I am not saying tht martial law should be imposed..but military should strike a balance between the two extremes... If earlier, they used to be hyper active and used to impose martial laws...now they are in lame duck phase..and dont do anything..no matter what happens

Like in dawn case... I strongly feel military should have taken action under Army act..which is part of our constituition and hence, perfectly legal... Why army didnt take action under army act? I fail to understand..... Rather than agreeing to this toothless committee..which everyone knows..tht is a matti pao committee...army should have gone to the other constituitional route..tht is Army act...

As i said..if in the past..military was hyperactive..now they are in lame suck phase...and nothing suits politicians more than two extremes...ie army in lame duck phase...(as in such case, they have a free run to do anything they wish and get away with it) or being political martyrs... ... If we are done with one extreme...tht is martial law...now army has switched to the other extreme..tht is lame duck..which is unfortunate

 

[The Eagle]

@Farah Sohail it is not necessary that ACT of Military is only described as Marshal law. There are other ways/forums for any such act to be brought to justice under the treason act, defined in Constitution and it can be through Courts as being proper forum as well. What people observes as Act of Military as Marshal law, is totally wrong.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Farah Sohail it is not necessary that ACT of Military is only described as Marshal law. There are other ways/forums for any such act to be brought to justice under the treason act, defined in Constitution and it can be through Courts as being proper forum as well. What people observes as Act of Military as Marshal law, is totally wrong.

This is exactly what i have said... I think u misunderstood my post..... I talked abt Army Act of constituition, which says tht military can arrest ppl, on its own..who are a danger to national security....and this is part of our constituition...there have been numerous debates on media too regd this..tht army can take action on its own too, and can arrest civilians too..if they are a danger to national security....... Since its part of constituition..hence perfectly legal too...as u also talked abt forums under constituition..so this arny act is perfect solution for tht.....

I didnt talk abt Martial law there... I already said tht Martial law, suits politicians as it makes them political martyrs as well as lame duck phase...like accepting the toothless committee..... I said abt striking a balance between these two...which is taking action under army act, in this dawn leaks case

 

[The Eagle]

@Farah Sohail for such arrests, granted by the power under Consitution, let the homework be completed, the file be ready for presentation before the Court, charge be framed that things cannot be done in hurry as would lost the impact/meanings. A strong case needs to be proceeded in all the area of Law with proper support of proofs, evidences as well as the cross-examinations of both sides that the points highlighted in due process will ultimately help for a proper verdict though depends whether the complainant or accused proves the case at best which depends upon proper prosecution and arguments.

 

[Khurram2349]

I am afraid but it seems YES NRO WILL ALWAYS BE OUR DESTINY ! I give you a real life example which can be equated to what our so called "Establishment" has been doing thought history of Pakistan .

In 1989 one of my cousin lost his car on gunpoint in front of Karachi Gymkhana . He took me and we both went to relevant police station and asked the SHO to file FIR . He refused and said that you will get the car and three days later we sure got the car back. While we were sitting with this SHO and discussing the incident which happened this SHO became quite free and talked a lot how police works and one of his sentence always remain in my memory. He said.........."IN OUR POLICE LINE A POLICE MAN WHO CANNOT CATCH A CRIMINAL IS LOUSY AND THE SUCCESSFUL ONE IS WHO CATCH THE CRIMINAL BUT THEN MAKE A DEAL WITH HIM. " When I heard this i said to him...." then in this case a criminal will always know he will get away by making a deal and crime will never stop ! He replied " IF CRIME STOPS THEN POLICE WILL DIE OF HUNGER "

This is exactly the story of our politics and Establishment as well . They always knew about corruption and crimes of Benazir Bhutto , Zardari , Nawaz Sharif etc. but instead of catching and punishing them they kept making deals and keep encouraging the criminals to loot our country and bring harm to Pakistan.

This policy seem to be going on even till now and unfortunately I dont see any change in near future as well ! I am sure we will see Bilawal or Maryam as future leaders and Generals of their times making deals with them and saluting them as their predecessors have done to their corrupt parents !

 

[I M Sikander]

When insitituitions like, police, judiciary, Election commission, NAB, are in the pockets of Nawaz league

Here comes out words of wisdom
So every one is corrupt except the Sufi saints of PTi.
I salute your logics.

Let there be blood - even mine - if it brings about a change for good in Pakistan

How easy it is to ask for blood of others and even donate your own blood on internet.

They always knew about corruption and crimes of Benazir Bhutto , Zardari , Nawaz Sharif etc. but instead of catching and punishing them they kept making deals and keep encouraging the criminals to loot our country and bring harm to Pakistan.

Exactly, the real dirty fishes are Mishi, zia , ayub and yahya.

I am sure we will see Bilawal or Maryam as future leaders and Generals of their times making deals with them and saluting them

I understand this problem of all Ptians, unlike mryam and bilawal, the sons of Imran Khan are foriegn national including tareen Khan , who can't lead the party and contest elections in Pakistan.

I said abt striking a balance between these two...which is taking action under army act, in this dawn leaks case

It's like targeting the sparrow with nukes.

now army has switched to the other extreme..tht is lame duck..which is unfortunate

So doing professional duties and not taking parts in political matters as per law is being lame duck according to you.

Yes you are right sir we are now understanding the history, first produce puddle pseudo politicians, groom them and let them to attain all the resource and power that makes them fake gods,then ask the people to rise against and then some how other fake gods jump in the play and they Finley save that fake god ,a NRO is signed, Allah Allah ty khair sala, o yes and then the people are being told that the democracy is the only solution of all the dilemmas of nation, if some one asks any question he is labelled as anti democracy ,isolated, humiliated and cornered, and then that m**.f constitution carriers on and on serving the most corrupte system in the universe(7th lawless nation), and in this so called free and independent democratic system one who says a word he is blocked even in PDF

Bus bus baita.
Have some thanda Pani. Take a chill.

What should i do, and my likes do, if we want to bring change

The first step begins at your own self.
Nd your family. Have you and they changed. Forget bout the whole nation. Those who I ask for change should better first make them selves examplery , either is it you me or my political leader.

? Should i go and start firing on national assembly, prime ministers house? Because other than this, this system isnt providing me any opportunity to bring change.

Your logics remind me of sufi Mohammad and fazaullah. They also had the same philosophy. It's very easy to target the state using the name of changing the system.

 

[Village life]

Bus bus baita.
Have some thanda Pani. Take a chill.

Haha ,same some typical ignorant, just pretending to be very well informed ,highly close to some senior brass,sir we are living in the world which is highly manipulated by the big bosses,hope with which you are sticking is wrong ,where our thoughts end, exactly is the point from where our enemies start thinking,you need to read some of my threads to know that ,I am not PTI ,I am just a worried patriot,