Has Nawaz/Shebaz returned from holiday, or are they still enjoying?

[Viper0011.]

I saw cleanup in Punjab was performed to avoid floods and water blockage is it didn't work?

I think SS is doing it wrong instead of try to remove heardles he need to identify how water was flowing before prepopulation/infrastructure boom, then only this flood problem can be resolved permanently . dam on river chenaab and river Kabul are must to save floods coming from India. I said this multiple times on forum, and SS and NS fb profiles but I guess they are too stupid to understand simple things..

So the main issue isn't that you have stupid vs. genius looking at the problem, it is three fold:
1) The mother nature and monsoon rains.
2) The entry of the water from foreign lands. This is in ADDITION to the monsoon rain issue above in number 1.
3) The route of water's flow.

So when it rains like crazy, your dams and rivers fill up very quickly, by the crazy rainfall alone. Then, you have a triple effect situation coming into the picture with water coming from India and Afghanistan + the rains inside Pakistan. So the already filled up dams and rivers get overloaded.

When there is a glass that can only hold 8 ounces of water, if you keep pouring water in, after 8 ounces, the water will start to overflow. Nothing you can do about it. Similarly, the ENTRY of the water ways into Pakistan is already per-determined. I looked at a survey once, around some of your rivers flowing from India into Pakistan, you have dense population on each side. This dense population lives right off the river and can't just be moved. So the river's bed is narrow in nature to begin with. Then, when you pour half a million cusecs of water into a river that can only hold 200,000 cusecs,what would happen? It would start from the Indian side, already overflowing. By the time it'll get to Pakistan, its not a simple water overflow, its actually like an ocean, the waves have gained velocity throughout the Kashmir region. The water's velocity will further damage whatever it would hit, so you'll have bridges and property damages, etc.

There is no way you can overcome this issue in 3 or 5 years. This is an issue related to mother nature and can't be fixed through a human fixture. There are things that may prevent these floods but these are very long term and expensive (yet very beneficial for people). Build a canal system and allocate an area to dump the water through it, for example a desert. In fact, part of a desert might be turned into a useful area eventually. But worst case, you build a canal network and right when the water exceeds a certain limit, you start to drain the river from a certain point to create a vacuum to accommodate the large load of water coming in. The water taken out of the river is then sent through the network of canals to areas where there isn't a river, water gets disbursed to lands needing water and eventually, the canals end at a lake or reservoir built on sand. This is the area that would get flooded with extra water causing no damage to anyone. The sand in the desert will drain this water very quickly. In a few years, the water level in this desert will come up too, so the land will become useful for agriculture and farming. A few big dams can be built to keep the flood water stored in them every year and flood the empty area when need be, so there is much less damage in actual cities and higher growth agriculture and commercial areas.

 

[batmannow]

They are enjoying cause they are happy that , they been cleared by the judiciary of Monte Carlo on faking the elections & by the military establishment on the model town massacre ?

 

[maxpayne]

They are enjoying cause they are happy that , they been cleared by the judiciary of Monte Carlo on faking the elections & by the military establishment on the model town massacre ?

You don't trust govt, election commission and now top judges of Supreme Court. ...whom do u trust? Still Altaf bhai or want another martial law which not even army want??

 

[batmannow]

You don't trust govt, election commission and now top judges of Supreme Court. ...whom do u trust? Still Altaf bhai or want another martial law which not even army want??

I don't trust any political party be it , PMLn , PPP, PTI or even MQM ?
I don't think army should come up with another Marshall law ?
All I want is a grand Marshall council , backed by army rewriting the constitution & doing brutal accountability before bringing a controlled denocracy just like china ?

 

[maxpayne]

I don't trust any political party be it , PMLn , PPP, PTI or even MQM ?
I don't think army should come up with another Marshall law ?
All I want is a grand Marshall council , backed by army rewriting the constitution & doing brutal accountability before bringing a controlled denocracy just like china ?

Well if u know the history, Pakistan was not formed by army people. It was purely political struggle. And no general in past succeeded without political support for himself. I respect ur point of view but I think in few years, grand marshal council will be kicked to streets by same Pakistani people. I think politics is now in our blood...

 

[Fracker]

So the main issue isn't that you have stupid vs. genius looking at the problem, it is three fold:
1) The mother nature and monsoon rains.
2) The entry of the water from foreign lands. This is in ADDITION to the monsoon rain issue above in number 1.
3) The route of water's flow.

So when it rains like crazy, your dams and rivers fill up very quickly, by the crazy rainfall alone. Then, you have a triple effect situation coming into the picture with water coming from India and Afghanistan + the rains inside Pakistan. So the already filled up dams and rivers get overloaded.

When there is a glass that can only hold 8 ounces of water, if you keep pouring water in, after 8 ounces, the water will start to overflow. Nothing you can do about it. Similarly, the ENTRY of the water ways into Pakistan is already per-determined. I looked at a survey once, around some of your rivers flowing from India into Pakistan, you have dense population on each side. This dense population lives right off the river and can't just be moved. So the river's bed is narrow in nature to begin with. Then, when you pour half a million cusecs of water into a river that can only hold 200,000 cusecs,what would happen? It would start from the Indian side, already overflowing. By the time it'll get to Pakistan, its not a simple water overflow, its actually like an ocean, the waves have gained velocity throughout the Kashmir region. The water's velocity will further damage whatever it would hit, so you'll have bridges and property damages, etc.

There is no way you can overcome this issue in 3 or 5 years. This is an issue related to mother nature and can't be fixed through a human fixture. There are things that may prevent these floods but these are very long term and expensive (yet very beneficial for people). Build a canal system and allocate an area to dump the water through it, for example a desert. In fact, part of a desert might be turned into a useful area eventually. But worst case, you build a canal network and right when the water exceeds a certain limit, you start to drain the river from a certain point to create a vacuum to accommodate the large load of water coming in. The water taken out of the river is then sent through the network of canals to areas where there isn't a river, water gets disbursed to lands needing water and eventually, the canals end at a lake or reservoir built on sand. This is the area that would get flooded with extra water causing no damage to anyone. The sand in the desert will drain this water very quickly. In a few years, the water level in this desert will come up too, so the land will become useful for agriculture and farming. A few big dams can be built to keep the flood water stored in them every year and flood the empty area when need be, so there is much less damage in actual cities and higher growth agriculture and commercial areas.

Perfect, couldn't discribe much better , but I called them stupid since I tried to deliver this message multiple times to these brothers but they didn't listen.

Second we don't have dam on Chenab and Kabul nor I see future plan on these, so we can't control water in flow. I see terbella and mangla even after heavy rain keeps water storing, but since Kabul and Chenab rivers are untabbed one, there is no restrictions.

Upper Pakistan flood is unavoidable but the center and lower region can be saved and saved very well by these dams.

Rains gonna increase due to global heat wave, but there has to be a way which can remove obvious floods. I remember I was in Islamabad in 2001, when it rainned 320 ml just in 16 hours, but water was out of the streets within 30 mins, and whole sverage was clean with 1 day, if rain is increasing same strategy can be adopt in the city like Lahore, Peshawar and faisalabad. Karachi problem is a bit cleaning up sverage and junk . and obviously stealing main hole covers which cause a lot of deaths during rainy season.