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Has KSA chosen a side?

This is a balanced viewpoint certainly. However, the fact remains, it is in Pakistani interests to be rid of this "dependent" status towards GCC, whether Arabs support our position on Kashmir or not.

There are other less apparent stumbling blocks to this relationship anyway.

We're building a rival trade network to Dubai. We simply can't have one foot in the GCC (as their preferred non-GCC partner) and continue with CPEC at full steam - that would be rather naive.

Pay off the debts. Then revoke the "suzerainty" of the GCC properly, and become their economic rivals in the Persian Gulf. At the same time, support Turkey's peacekeeping endeavours wholeheartedly, improve cooperation with Qatar, and recognise Israel and trade wih them. This will strengthen Pakistan's independence, and the Arabs will have ZERO grounds to whine or complain - ZERO, since they merrily worked with Pakistan's existential enemy to further their ambitions.

It is naive bordering on immature to try and sustain this blind and eternal friendship with GCC when there's nothing more to be gained from each other for either of us.

The problem is every political party bar PTI won't even dream of such machinations.

It is simple. GCC under the leadership of Saudis have decided that they are going to serve Israel and the US. They have thrown their own Palestinian brothers and sisters under the bus. The Palestinians are suffering every day and the Arabs look the other way. That is all we need to know. Of course we are not going to expect any sympathy from lascivious GCC monarchs.

People here are willing to compromise on principles and that is a big problem. You don't compromise on core principles. No matter how difficult the circumstances are. Pakistan has always supported Kashmir. It will continue to support Kashmir even if the entire world chose to look the other way.
 
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KSA playing games here eventually they have to take a side and most probably it’s going to be USA as a master

It will start the end game for saud family as a whole
Pakistan shouldn’t pay back anything as ksa and Pakistan should apply sanctions on ksa if things go south again And hold the payments

they need to be reminded who is the boss here

world stage is being set and ksa need to make up her mind fast.
 
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KSA playing games here eventually they have to take a side and most probably it’s going to be USA as a master

It will start the end game for saud family as a whole
Pakistan shouldn’t pay back anything as ksa and Pakistan should apply sanctions on ksa if things go south again And hold the payments

they need to be reminded who is the boss here

world stage is being set and ksa need to make up her mind fast.

Don't expect any good from MBS. The man has no good intentions. We need to realiss this and move forward.
 
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OIC is a waste of time, we should dump it. What we should instead focus on, is quietly building an export oriented economy, with WHOEVER is ready to support us.

This OIC nonsense is a SMQ's way of deflecting from our own terrible foreign polices. Lets assume that OIC issues a joint declaration denouncing INDIA. Will this result in IoK becoming Pakistani Kashmir? No.

So why are we even discussing this, and not asking SMQ, why hasn't he gotten 3 or 4 countries, who have the pockets to build our strategic and financial reserves, to back us, and taken the battle into the nazis back yard?

Anyone who thinks OIC, or UN is going to get us IoK is living in a fools paradise.

These 3-4 countries I mentioned - Everyone has a price, and Pakistan has a lot to offer, it is a give and take world. No free Lunches!
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Dear you seems to be living in fools paradise then me. I never said that oic statement can effect the kashmir cause.

Unga and oic, they are platforms for diplomacy. The platforms to shape the general opinions. Wr are shaping peoples opinion aggressively at unga. We are not shaping people opinion in oic. Why? Because we are not even given a chance. No meeting has been called dispite out insistence for over an year.
Now people like you would say why do we even care.
Because we are used to this. If we are right, we dont need to anounce on loud speaker or force to fight the narrative.
It took indian diplomats 30 years to built their case against Pakistan and paint Pakistan as terrorist state.
Did they stop?
Did they get demoralised?
No.
Few years ago when they call us terrorist state, no one evn bother reply from pakistan and the world even starting believeing in the carefully built narrative.
Smq cannot go and fight. Nor he can stop. You and kids like you must that that when ever the army is ready they would inform the government and government has little choice to say no. Its always the armys decision to make not ours.
The time pf proxy war is over. It would hurt kashmiris. The world os listening to them.the media covers them. They are getting alienated day by day.
Before they are told that they are punished because of cross border terrorist. Now their is no reason for the kahsmirs lockdown. Now a common kashmiri knows that the fight is not against terrorism but against kahsmiris itself.
Revolution atleast takes half a century, even more. Never happen in a day.
Besides in day and time. Dear you cannot find any sugar dadies.
This is time of carona. The arabs are the only ones that fund the governments for their purposes. Now even they cannot. This is changed world. Even turkey going through bad circumstances economically cannot help much. The arabs are too pro america, pro isreal and pro india. Its sort of triangle.
No country is rich enough to afford your shenanigans. China funds you, invest in you. But for how long??? Dont test the limits of friendship. They can defend you so far.
You can not find sigar dady among central asians. Neither can iran be your sugar daddy. Can influence your country a lot but cant help economically.
P5 are a big no. They are suffering from carona. Have no extra budjets. And are so much occpied that no one cam help.
So no luck their.
Shah mehmood cannot pick out the two rich countries to fund our shenanigans. Trust me if he can he would.
Thank god you never run the diplomacy.
And this strong statement has a reason.
Saudis have asked something really bad or bullied us. Like stoping cpec, give uo kashmir. This is polite way of reminding them we are your servant but ee have free will.
 
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It is best to stay on the wrong side of the rulers of UAE and KSA for the next few years. Their time is up. They cannot control their women let alone their countries. Our relationship with Turkey is also a big issue for the Saudis.
 
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This is a balanced viewpoint certainly. However, the fact remains, it is in Pakistani interests to be rid of this "dependent" status towards GCC, whether Arabs support our position on Kashmir or not.

There are other less apparent stumbling blocks to this relationship anyway.

We're building a rival trade network to Dubai. We simply can't have one foot in the GCC (as their preferred non-GCC partner) and continue with CPEC at full steam - that would be rather naive.

Pay off the debts. Then revoke the "suzerainty" of the GCC properly, and become their economic rivals in the Persian Gulf. At the same time, support Turkey's peacekeeping endeavours wholeheartedly, improve cooperation with Qatar, and recognise Israel and trade wih them. This will strengthen Pakistan's independence, and the Arabs will have ZERO grounds to whine or complain - ZERO, since they merrily worked with Pakistan's existential enemy to further their ambitions.

It is naive bordering on immature to try and sustain this blind and eternal friendship with GCC when there's nothing more to be gained from each other for either of us.

The problem is every political party bar PTI won't even dream of such machinations.

Agree with all points except israel, that would make us a backstabber just like MBS.

We should learn from KSA and Iran by not emulating their terrible examples. Loyalty to Islam and fellow Muslims puts us leagues ahead of them.

Pakistan refusing to recognize Israel gives us massive clout and legitimacy all over the Arab world. It is not represented by their puppet governments, but it will be in the future in sha Allah.
 
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MBS is loved in upper east of NYC. The smart ones will understand what I am saying.
 
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Agree with all points except israel, that would make us a backstabber just like MBS.

We should learn from KSA and Iran by not emulating their terrible examples. Loyalty to Islam and fellow Muslims puts us leagues ahead of them.

Pakistan refusing to recognize Israel gives us massive clout and legitimacy all over the Arab world. It is not represented by their puppet governments, but it will be in the future in sha Allah.
Yes, Pervez Musharraf and I are in the clear minority on that one.
 
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