Hari Singh Nalwa:one of the best commanders ever

[vK_man]

Their losses were minute and every time they routed the Sikhs. This was mainly due to the fact they were outnumbered and the Sikhs resorted to warfare from afar. It still didn't trouble Abdali.

Their losses were minute and every time they routed the Sikhs. This was mainly due to the fact they were outnumbered and the Sikhs resorted to warfare from afar. It still didn't trouble Abdali.

But your afghan brothers disagree .....The source below is afghan network .

The Sikhs, who had revived by this time, slew Khwaja abid, the Durrani governor of Lahore, and occupied the city. This brought back the Abdali to Lahore in March 1764. He had, however, to return to his own country, after a fortnight's stay at Lahore, owing to the outbreak of a civil war there and a mutiny among his troops. Ahmad Shah Abdali invaded India again in 1767. He could not succeed ineffectively thwarting the Sikhs and had to retreat soon "with a consciousness of his ultimate failure", owing to some internal troubles, chiefly the mutiny of his troops clamoring for pay which they had not received regularly. No sooner had he turned back than the Sikhs reoccupied Lahore and the entire open country. Ahmad Shah Abdali "retained hold of Peshawar and the country west of Attock, while he abandoned the Manjha districts and central Punjab including Lahore to the Sikhs; but the Sind-Sagar and Jech Doab in the western Punjab remained a debatable land which finally came into their possession in the days of his unworthy successors".

Though Ahmad Shah Abdali had to return hurriedly from India, his invasions affected the history of India in several ways. Firstly, it accelerated the dismemberment of the tottering Mughul Empire. Secondly, it offered a serious check to the rapidly spreading Maratha imperialism. Thirdly, it indirectly helped the rise of the Sikh power. "His career in India," observes a modern writer, " is very intimately a part of the Sikh struggle for independence."
Invasions Of Ahmad Shah Abdali

I'm confused after reading the OP's first paragraph about Hari Singh. He once killed a lion with a shield and dagger and he was known as Tiger-Killer after that?

In india,lion or tiger,both are referred to as singh or sher.

 

[EyanKhan]

But your afghan brothers disagree .....

The Sikhs, who had revived by this time, slew Khwaja abid, the Durrani governor of Lahore, and occupied the city. This brought back the Abdali to Lahore in March 1764. He had, however, to return to his own country, after a fortnight's stay at Lahore, owing to the outbreak of a civil war there and a mutiny among his troops. Ahmad Shah Abdali invaded India again in 1767. He could not succeed ineffectively thwarting the Sikhs and had to retreat soon "with a consciousness of his ultimate failure", owing to some internal troubles, chiefly the mutiny of his troops clamoring for pay which they had not received regularly. No sooner had he turned back than the Sikhs reoccupied Lahore and the entire open country. Ahmad Shah Abdali "retained hold of Peshawar and the country west of Attock, while he abandoned the Manjha districts and central Punjab including Lahore to the Sikhs; but the Sind-Sagar and Jech Doab in the western Punjab remained a debatable land which finally came into their possession in the days of his unworthy successors".

Though Ahmad Shah Abdali had to return hurriedly from India, his invasions affected the history of India in several ways. Firstly, it accelerated the dismemberment of the tottering Mughul Empire. Secondly, it offered a serious check to the rapidly spreading Maratha imperialism. Thirdly, it indirectly helped the rise of the Sikh power. "His career in India," observes a modern writer, " is very intimately a part of the Sikh struggle for independence."
Invasions Of Ahmad Shah Abdali



In india,lion or tiger,both are referred to as singh or sher.

So you yourself just admitted that you owe a large part of your success to Abdali , dude take a break and let the Nalwa guy rest in peace

 

[vK_man]

So you yourself just admitted that you owe a large part of your success to Abdali , dude take a break and let the Nalwa guy rest in peace

yep,he made sure that sikhs would rule pashtuns and hazaras with an iron fist.After all a large number of sikh soldiers under nalwa would carry away large number of pashtun women,ban azaan,hang mullahs from minarets and burn pashtun villages .Even pashtun children were carried away and indoctrinated and converted to sikhs to ultimately serve in sikh army.Might explain why pashtun sikhs came into existence and why pashtun tolerated and lived with them in peace.

Even one of hari singh's wife was pashtun.

 

[EyanKhan]

yep,he made sure that sikhs would rule pashtuns and hazaras with an iron fist.After all a large number of sikh soldiers under nalwa would carry away large number of pashtun women,ban azaan,hang mullahs from minarets and burn pashtun villages .Even pashtun children were carried away and indoctrinated and converted to sikhs to ultimately serve in sikh army.Might explain why pashtun sikhs came into existence and why pashtun tolerated and lived with them in peace.

Even one of hari singh's wife was pashtun.

lol your "mighty Sikh empire" was a speck of dust. You just showed your intellectual capacity. You never ruled with an iron fist your empire couldn't even last a century .Pashtuns have ruled your people longer then that.
Come to think of it the sikhs are among the most ruled people in the world. Mughals ,Pashtuns , Rajputs , British etc.
You hardly enjoyed half a century of freedom so no wonder you're jumping up and down.

yep,he made sure that sikhs would rule pashtuns and hazaras with an iron fist.After all a large number of sikh soldiers under nalwa would carry away large number of pashtun women,ban azaan,hang mullahs from minarets and burn pashtun villages .Even pashtun children were carried away and indoctrinated and converted to sikhs to ultimately serve in sikh army.Might explain why pashtun sikhs came into existence and why pashtun tolerated and lived with them in peace.

Even one of hari singh's wife was pashtun.

Pathetic

 

[EelamWarrior]

Hari Singh Nalwa is proud Dhrmic warrior and Sikhs do have country which is India and where the current Prime Minister is Sikh. Afghans needed traditional Sikh beating. Afghans are like Sinhalas are are cunning and devious people.

 

[waz]

But your afghan brothers disagree .....The source below is afghan network .

The Sikhs, who had revived by this time, slew Khwaja abid, the Durrani governor of Lahore, and occupied the city. This brought back the Abdali to Lahore in March 1764. He had, however, to return to his own country, after a fortnight's stay at Lahore, owing to the outbreak of a civil war there and a mutiny among his troops. Ahmad Shah Abdali invaded India again in 1767. He could not succeed ineffectively thwarting the Sikhs and had to retreat soon "with a consciousness of his ultimate failure", owing to some internal troubles, chiefly the mutiny of his troops clamoring for pay which they had not received regularly. No sooner had he turned back than the Sikhs reoccupied Lahore and the entire open country. Ahmad Shah Abdali "retained hold of Peshawar and the country west of Attock, while he abandoned the Manjha districts and central Punjab including Lahore to the Sikhs; but the Sind-Sagar and Jech Doab in the western Punjab remained a debatable land which finally came into their possession in the days of his unworthy successors".

Though Ahmad Shah Abdali had to return hurriedly from India, his invasions affected the history of India in several ways. Firstly, it accelerated the dismemberment of the tottering Mughul Empire. Secondly, it offered a serious check to the rapidly spreading Maratha imperialism. Thirdly, it indirectly helped the rise of the Sikh power. "His career in India," observes a modern writer, " is very intimately a part of the Sikh struggle for independence."
Invasions Of Ahmad Shah Abdali

Maybe I made a mistake but this is the listed source.

Main Source: Majumdar, Raychaudhuri, Datta, An Advanced History of India,(Delhi: Mcmillan India Limited; fourth edition reprinted 1998)

Even then the source talks about them reoccurring once he had left, meaning they could not face him in battle.....

 

[waz]

yep,he made sure that sikhs would rule pashtuns and hazaras with an iron fist.After all a large number of sikh soldiers under nalwa would carry away large number of pashtun women,ban azaan,hang mullahs from minarets and burn pashtun villages .Even pashtun children were carried away and indoctrinated and converted to sikhs to ultimately serve in sikh army.Might explain why pashtun sikhs came into existence and why pashtun tolerated and lived with them in peace.

Even one of hari singh's wife was pashtun.

These events are not something to be proud of. How would you feel if people said the same thing regarding the even worse things that happened to the Sikh population in 1947? Such things should be condemned.

 

[guluchulo]

It was impressive kingdom, cant call it empire because how small it was. Also i don't know why sikhs now days overestimate it.

Pashtuns were as usual fighting between themselves and Mughals were in decline. Lahore was captured by Sikh misl who were not liked by anyone. Hindu and muslim punjabis didn't have organized army. Mughals didnt hire any Punjabi in their army.

So punjabi hindus, muslims and sikhs wrote to Ranjeet Singh to come and take over Lahore and defeat another sikh misl. Which he did by uniting sikh misls. But that was not enough to defend Punjab against Afghans. So in coming years punjabi muslims and hindus will join army, even some pathans. Muslims were majority or 44%, can't remember now in Ranjeet army.

They defended punjab and were able to capture Peshwar, which was impressive. Though it was collective effort of punjabis and not sikhs alone.

Sikhs are not martial race but martial religion similar to Islam, let me explain you why. 40% of sikhs are dalits, who are anything but martial. They have Indian like physic and were short in hight, african like dark in compleixon. About 55% of were jats who were shudras and peasents but they were unlike dalits with good physic and height. And few % of Khatris who were traders and couple of % of Rajputs who are indeed kashatriya.

So its funny to see sikhs talking about their height etc when 40% of their population is dalits converts.

 

[future_bound]

Ranjit Singh may have established the sikh empire in Punjab for around 50 years (1799 to 1849). And even if we believe the exploits of Hari singh nalwa as mentioned by OP to be true, but that is where it all ended for the sikhs.

In 1947, sikhs thought they could once again re-establish their sikh empire and they started killing muslims in punjab. When the muslims retaliated, most of Punjab became a part of Pakistan and all sikhs were kicked out of Pakistani punjab and left with a truncated east punjab. Today there are only 20,000 sikhs left in the land called Pakistan. Lahore, the capital of Ranjit singh's empire, and Nankana Sahib hardly has any sikhs left. So we had the last laugh.

Sikhism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even the sikhs in India got their *** kicked by the hindu baniya in 1984 operation bluestar and then pogroms in which thousands of sikhs were killed after indira gandhi's death.
Sikhs learned the lesson and consequences of trusting the treacherous and devious hindu baniya

 

[Slayer786]

Like Kyber Paktunwata which is core pashtun populated areas and peshawar that was summer capital of durranis.

Listen you should have expected a lot of rebuttal. It is difficult to acknowledge enemy's bravery and skills. Although if we read the history it does seem that he was a good commander who won many battles. No one should take that away from him. And to all my Pakistani brothers lets not take the glory away from Hari Singh Nawla he was a brave and fearless leader. Lets give him the respect for that.

 

[Jaggu]

yep,he made sure that sikhs would rule pashtuns and hazaras with an iron fist.After all a large number of sikh soldiers under nalwa would carry away large number of pashtun women,ban azaan,hang mullahs from minarets and burn pashtun villages .Even pashtun children were carried away and indoctrinated and converted to sikhs to ultimately serve in sikh army.Might explain why pashtun sikhs came into existence and why pashtun tolerated and lived with them in peace.

Even one of hari singh's wife was pashtun.

Bro, stop this trolling. Sikhs don't have any issue with Pashtuns and neither do Pashtuns have a problem with Sikhs. In 1947 the Tribal areas of Pakistan were probably the only place where Sikhs were not harmed. This was told to me by a Pakistani Sikh himself. I have met a Sikh from Afghanistan who told me that until the last 25 years or so, Afghanistan had a large Sikh community. They were free to practice their religion and conduct their business no one bothered them. It's only after when the civil war started that they began moving out because it became very unsafe for people in general. So stop this us vs them type posts.

 

[guluchulo]

Bro, stop this trolling. Sikhs don't have any issue with Pashtuns and neither do Pashtuns have a problem with Sikhs. In 1947 the Tribal areas of Pakistan were probably the only place where Sikhs were not harmed. This was told to me by a Pakistani Sikh himself.

Probably? Its pretty well known fact that pashtuns didnt kill any sikh in their areas. And only punjabi muslims killed sikhs after watching train full of dead muslims punjabis.

 

[Jaggu]

Probably? Its pretty well known fact that pashtuns didnt kill any sikh in their areas. And only punjabi muslims killed sikhs after watching train full of dead muslims punjabis.

It's not about religion. But in 1947 people in Punjab were just crazy. Don't know what happened.

 

[jatt+gutts]

muslim Punjabis by narture are docile..so even little bit more better fighters like pashtoons are held in high esteem in Pakistan..in indian Punjab pashtoons are called pashoris...majority muslim Punjabis are gujjars and they say it very proudly as if being gujjar is very good...lol..in indian Punjabi gujjars are low cast living in mud huts with their cattles and do not take a shower...Sikhs were 2% of Punjab population and ruled majority of muslims..that tell you about their fighting abilities..

hari singh nalwa 2 from left standing

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Sikhs have habit of exaggeration. Only hazara and peshawer were captured by sikhs. They didnt penetrated into yousafzai country to the north of peshawer, into southren KPK and neither into FATA. They stopped at foothills of FATA, at jamrud....where hari singh nalwa got killed.
In hazara sikhs never penetrated into yousafzai territory of torghar and batagram, and kohistan.
Sikhs had different policy regarding peshawer. City was under their complete control but the surrounding turbulent areas were left in the control of local khans.
@EyanKhan