"Hard talk with Pakistan does not work, they just dig in deeper", observe American analysts. NYT

[Awan68]

@Solomon2 is a pathetic troll , stop feeding his bullshit guys by enabling him, ignorance is the best policy when encountared with propoganda....

 

[Champs Trophy 2017]

At a formal greeting before a portrait of Mohammad Ali Jinnah, who is considered the father of Pakistan, Mr. Tillerson began with reassurances. “Pakistan is important, as you know, regionally to the U.S. security relationships and so important regionally to our joint goals of providing peace and security to the region and providing opportunity for a greater economic relationship as well,” he said.

Mr. Abbasi, wearing a traditional white kurta next to Mr. Tillerson’s dark suit,

should have said " look Mr. Tillerson! we don't trust you, your intentions & your competence to establish peace in any country so you should listen to what we are telling you since long or make us believe what you say and turn your intentions in favor of Afghanistan & Pakistan and we will listen to you otherwise lets escort you out. Thanks for coming!"

 

[zubair_chachar]

USA knows deep down Pakistan will not change its SPOTS

They will support Taliban And maintain proxies to trouble India

I think its up to USA to simply drop Pakistan AND move 100% into Indian Camp

I think this process has begun

tere mon me shakar , We dont need US , 90% Pakistani want to end US Pakistan co-operation, Just remind that Pakistan will remain till the end of world and please India and US try to maintain their own ...

 

[War Thunder]

why dont u do us all a favour n bugg off..

Who gives you the right to tell anyone to bugg off from any interaction on a public forum? More so, why would you want to escape from opinions of people who don't agree with you?

I didnt even read ur comment mate, iam just generally repulsed by ur presence in any of my threads so again with respect, f***k off....ur like a dog that hangs on to the leg...

And you are pissing me off by your stupid behavior and personal attack on another member for absolutely no reason except his opinion that doesn't agree with you.
Only illogical weak souls go down insulting people and their presence, because they lack logic to counter them.

@Solomon2 is a pathetic troll , stop feeding his bullshit guys by enabling him, ignorance is the best policy when encountared with propoganda....

Propaganda is countered with Logic
Ignorance is stupidity and follishness and a state adopted by weak minds...

 

[Awan68]

Who gives you the right to tell anyone to bugg off from any interaction on a public forum? More so, why would you want to escape from opinions of people who don't agree with you?




And you are pissing me off by your stupid behavior and personal attack on another member for absolutely no reason except his opinion that doesn't agree with you.
Only illogical weak souls go down insulting people and their presence, because they lack logic to counter them.

That's a very sorry state of mind you're living in mate...please try not to represent flag of my country with it...






Propaganda is countered with Logic
Ignorance is stupidity and follishness and a state adopted by weak minds...

Cool down captain america, i have history with this guy...

 

[War Thunder]

Cool down captain america, i have history with this guy...

abey phir bhi bachey ko itna bhi tang mat karo roney lag parey
ab log hamarey forums mei aakey royein to baat ghalat hai, we should welcome all opinions
aur history ko history ke topics pe rakh bhai, yahan halat lagta ha, log read kartey hai and they judge su throuughthese comments.

 

[Awan68]

abey phir bhi bachey ko itna bhi tang mat karo roney lag parey
ab log hamarey forums mei aakey royein to baat ghalat hai, we should welcome all opinions
aur history ko history ke topics pe rakh bhai, yahan halat lagta ha, log read kartey hai and they judge su throuughthese comments.

Bhai ais ko tun janta nhn hai, yeh opinion nhn deta, troll karta hai bc, opinion to indians ke bhi sun lety hum, accomodate bhi kar lety but for trolls the policy is zero tolerance....bary arsy se ais ko brdasht kar rha hun, jo bhi thread kholon udhr 2 mint men a kar apna choorun bechna shurun kar deta....aur log ais bat se bhi judge karty hen hamen ke hum damagh kitna durust karty hen humary mulk ke bary men one sided bakwaas karny walon ka.....baqi chill mar...

 

[Storm Force]

I see USA turning it's attention to Pakistan because there is more and more criticism and acquisitions coming your way daily.

Thus attention will be more pressure and ultimately sanctions and withdraw of imf funding and western isolation.

This is something India wanted all along.

To weaken your standing from all fronts

I think your Pakistani interests and USA interests are on collision course .

 

[Awan68]

I see USA turning it's attention to Pakistan because there is more and more criticism and acquisitions coming your way daily.

Thus attention will be more pressure and ultimately sanctions and withdraw of imf funding and western isolation.

This is something India wanted all along.

To weaken your standing from all fronts

I think your Pakistani interests and USA interests are on collision course .

Read the article again, more carefully....

 

[cocomo]

Why won't Pakistan pursue a good-neighbor policy, like the U.S. has with Canada?

Pakistan is pursuing a good policy towards Afghanistan which will pay off for Afghanistan in the long run. If Pakistan complies in making Afghanistan a US military base which is then used as terrorist launchpad against regional powers is against Afghanistan's interest in the long run. The proxy regime in Kabul doesn't represent the people it represents the interests of its sponsors. Democracy in occupation is suspect logically. Pakistan will only support that Afghan solution which every Afghan agrees to.

 

[friendly_troll96]

I see USA turning it's attention to Pakistan because there is more and more criticism and acquisitions coming your way daily.

Thus attention will be more pressure and ultimately sanctions and withdraw of imf funding and western isolation.

This is something India wanted all along.

To weaken your standing from all fronts

I think your Pakistani interests and USA interests are on collision course .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

U.S. Warning to Pakistan: Stop Backing Terrorism

• 
  Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, center right, with the Pakistani foreign minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, center left, in Islamabad on Tuesday.
  POOL PHOTO BY ALEX BRANDON
  By GARDINER HARRIS
  OCTOBER 24, 2017

ISLAMABAD — Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson stopped in Islamabad on his way to New Delhi on Tuesday to deliver what he hoped would be a sobering message to Pakistan: Stop funding or providing shelter to terrorist groups. Now.

It is a message the United States has been giving the Pakistanis in various forms since the Sept. 11 attacks, and it is one the Pakistanis have by turns harkened to, bristled at and shrugged off — sometimes in the same meeting — for years.

In tackling the deeply dysfunctional relationship between the United States and Pakistan, the Trump administration is finding that it is not unlike some difficult marriages: all but impossible to fix, but also impossible to end.

There were few signs on Tuesday that this 16-year-old dynamic had changed.

Mr. Tillerson met with three of Pakistan’s top leaders at the elegant prime minister’s residence in Islamabad: Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi; the foreign minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif; and, most important, the Army’s chief of staff, Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa.


At a formal greeting before a portrait of Mohammad Ali Jinnah, who is considered the father of Pakistan, Mr. Tillerson began with reassurances. “Pakistan is important, as you know, regionally to the U.S. security relationships and so important regionally to our joint goals of providing peace and security to the region and providing opportunity for a greater economic relationship as well,” he said.


Mr. Abbasi, wearing a traditional white kurta next to Mr. Tillerson’s dark suit, responded cheerfully but pointedly. “The U.S. can rest assured that we are strategic partners in the war against terror and that today Pakistan is fighting the largest war in the world against terror,” he said.

The United States believes that Pakistan has for years supported terrorist groups, like the Haqqani network, that attack American troops in Afghanistan, undermining the 16-year effort to defeat the Taliban. But for just as long, the United States has relied on Pakistani air and land routes to supply both American and Afghan forces.

Without Pakistan, the United States would not be able to keep troops in Afghanistan — but it also might not need to, some American observers suggest.

“What do you do when your allies are part of the problem?” asked Daniel L. Byman, a counterterrorism expert at Georgetown University. “The desire to turn our backs on these people is there, but then you worry that terrorists will have more operational freedom and it will cost you more in the long run.”

In public, the Pakistanis say they have killed more terrorists at greater cost in lives lost than any other nation. In private, they say they must hedge their bets against the inevitable day when American troops leave Afghanistan.


In the days leading up to Mr. Tillerson’s visit, the United States conducted a flurry of airstrikes along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, fulfilling President Trump’s promise in August to intensify attacks against the Taliban and Haqqani network, which has run a virtual factory in Pakistan since 2005 to supply suicide bombers in Afghanistan.


Local news media outlets reported more than a dozen missile strikes that killed scores of Haqqani fighters. The strikes, many of them in Pakistani territory, are deeply irritating to Pakistan, which considers them a threat to its sovereignty.

Along with the attacks, the Trump administration has toughened its rhetoric. In a speech last week that offered effusive praise for India, Mr. Tillerson warned, “We expect Pakistan to take decisive action against terrorist groups based there that threaten its own people and the broader region.”

Senior Pakistani army and intelligence officials expressed confidence in background interviews in recent days that the Trump administration cannot sustain a hostile stance for too long. The Pakistanis are keenly aware that the United States relies on them not only for supplies of material, but also for intelligence.

The Obama administration worked to reduce its reliance on Pakistan in part by reaching a reconciliation with Iran, the only other viable option for supplying troops in Afghanistan. India is building a port in the Iranian city of Chabahar, where supplies could be landed and shipped to Afghanistan.

C. Christine Fair, an associate professor at Georgetown University, argues that Pakistan represents a far greater threat to American interests than Iran does. It was Pakistan that provided nuclear technology to North Korea and Libya, and Pakistan’s proxies have killed more American troops than Iran’s, she said.


But the Trump administration’s hostility toward Iran — Mr. Trump has threatened to tear up the Iran nuclear accord — has closed off such a strategy, so the United States must rely on Pakistan.


“It’s like a woman trying to leave an abusive marriage when she has no money,” Ms. Fair said. “How do you do that?”

Will tougher rhetoric change Pakistani behavior? Experts are skeptical.

“Getting tough on Pakistan, which we’ve tried before, never works,” said Ryan C. Crocker, a former ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. “In fact, it has the opposite effect. They just dig in deeper.”

Salman Masood contributed reporting from Islamabad, and Eric Schmitt from Washington.




The last parts are pretty amusing , good going to our ninja's who tie the hands of even the most powerful nation on earth...
@Horus @DESERT FIGHTER @war&peace @The Eagle @Zarvan @El Sidd @HAKIKAT

It's hilarious to watch the world's most powerful nation and milirary squirm at having to deal with Pakistan they admit there is nothing they can do to us. The americans are frustrated that we are not weak and powerless like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc......

I see USA turning it's attention to Pakistan because there is more and more criticism and acquisitions coming your way daily.

Thus attention will be more pressure and ultimately sanctions and withdraw of imf funding and western isolation.

This is something India wanted all along.

To weaken your standing from all fronts

I think your Pakistani interests and USA interests are on collision course .

Yawn.........Yawn.......Yawn.........blah.......blah.....blah........blah........indian kind said EXACTLY the same when Pakistan detonated our nukes back in 1998 but Pakistan only become more advanced, stronger and powerful. So much so that a nation that is more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege, remains too weak and powerless to do anything against us

 

[War Thunder]

Bhai ais ko tun janta nhn hai, yeh opinion nhn deta, troll karta hai bc, opinion to indians ke bhi sun lety hum, accomodate bhi kar lety but for trolls the policy is zero tolerance....bary arsy se ais ko brdasht kar rha hun, jo bhi thread kholon udhr 2 mint men a kar apna choorun bechna shurun kar deta....aur log ais bat se bhi judge karty hen hamen ke hum damagh kitna durust karty hen humary mulk ke bary men one sided bakwaas karny walon ka.....baqi chill mar...

chal phir laga reh
thora good cop bad cop hi chalney de

 

[El Sidd]

chal phir laga reh
thora good cop bad cop hi chalney de

tum log kab tak ek dosre or pori duniya ko choona lagana ka irada rakhte ho?
lol

 

[War Thunder]

tum log kab tak ek dosre or pori duniya ko choona lagana ka irada rakhte ho?
lol

Jab tak choona bikta hai
paint ki demand nhi ayi abhi