Haqqani says facilitated presence of CIA operatives in Pakistan on order of civilian leaders

[Super Falcon]

What a stupid nation army security we have when clear enemy is visible we just don't do anything against them but on top let them allow to form govt we have proofs etc fact is we don't deserve a country to live on if we don't do justice with country and upcoming generation future

 

[Solomon2]

...This constitution has been raped and molested multiple time by the elite to satisfy their lust for power and money. In my opinion this constitution is not for Pakistan but anti Pakistan. It should be abrogated and rewritten...

You've now exited the question of Husain Haqqani's possible treason. The question now is whether or not Pakistanis who express opinions like yours are to be prosecuted for high treason under Article 6 of Pakistan's Constitution.

Absolutely. Pakistan has no allies, only partners.

The old military law only applies to relations with the "enemy"; it says nothing about "partners" or "allies".

 

[VFY]

The old military law only applies to relations with the "enemy"; it says nothing about "partners" or "allies".

Thanks. Don't really care

 

[Green Arrow]

Well this man has a brain. First he was closed to the establishment then joined PML become secretary to Nawaz Sharif later ambassadorship to Sri Lanka and in last joined hand with PPP. Now all of them are labelling him a traitor.

 

[VCheng]

Haqqani is guilty of issuing visas to intelligence agencies and passing them into pakistan outside the procedure of immigration, of course with connivance of the then President and PM. President is supreme commander therefore can be brought into the ambit of courtmartial

The only allegation here is that the visas were issued without the Army's okay, that is all. The civilian authorities are legally allowed to issue visas on their own too, you know. This claim of military supremacy over a civil matter is again a dishonest over-reach.

 

[Panther 57]

The only allegation here is that the visas were issued without the Army's okay, that is all. The civilian authorities are legally allowed to issue visas on their own too, you know. This claim of military supremacy over a civil matter is again a dishonest over-reach.

Everywhere in the world visa clearances are subject to intelligence clearance. You cannot allow spies, terrorist, mercenaries and likes of Raymond Davis to enter the country without clearance from intelligence and if allowed by intelligence without immigration.

 

[VCheng]

Everywhere in the world visa clearances are subject to intelligence clearance. You cannot allow spies, terrorist, mercenaries and likes of Raymond Davis to enter the country without clearance from intelligence and if allowed by intelligence without immigration.

Only in places where the military reigns illegally over civilian authority Sir, not where the civilian authority retains its position of legal supremacy. And let us not forget that Raymond Davis was driven to the airport and let go while his name was on the ECL by none other than the ISI itself.

 

[Panther 57]

Only in places where the military reigns illegally over civilian authority Sir, not where the civilian authority retains its position of legal supremacy. And let us not forget that Raymond Davis was driven to the airport and let go while his name was on the ECL by none other than the ISI itself.

on the behest of whom? I will not comment on your remarks, just refer to NSA in US. There is no need for military take over and no justification, provided politicians (as in my opinion they are not leaders) do not rise above the law. They have mutilated constitution to the extent that it needs redoing. All amendments to suit their ill practices.

 

[VCheng]

on the behest of whom? I will not comment on your remarks, just refer to NSA in US. There is no need for military take over and no justification, provided politicians (as in my opinion they are not leaders) do not rise above the law. They have mutilated constitution to the extent that it needs redoing. All amendments to suit their ill practices.

Let us remain on topic, I agree. But note that NSA clearance for visas is not required at all. I will also agree with you that the Constitution needs to be redone completely. The problem is that there is no competent authority or process left standing in Pakistan that can be trusted to do this crucial job. Hence we have a stalemate of sorts while descending into chaos due to steady misgovernance, while the military and civilians continue to blame each other for the failures. If HH is a traitor, then so are Generals Musharraf and Pasha, and so many more. (My decision to leave the country was not taken lightly.)

 

[Panther 57]

Let us remain on topic, I agree. But note that NSA clearance for visas is not required at all. I will also agree with you that the Constitution needs to be redone completely. The problem is that there is no competent authority or process left standing in Pakistan that can be trusted to do this crucial job. Hence we have a stalemate of sorts while descending into chaos due to steady misgovernance, while the military and civilians continue to blame each other for the failures. If HH is a traitor, then so are Generals Musharraf and Pasha, and so many more. (My decision to leave the country was not taken lightly.)

What you did was one way of dealing it. Everyone does not have the privilege to opt the same way. Therefore, they need a silver lining at the end of tunnel and fortunately or unfortunately is PA for them. Because they have lost their faith in bureaucrats, politicians, police, judiciary (unless there is a landmark judgement) and accountability agencies.
In US also agencies have their say, though it is not made public like we do it.

 

[VCheng]

What you did was one way of dealing it. Everyone does not have the privilege to opt the same way. Therefore, they need a silver lining at the end of tunnel and fortunately or unfortunately is PA for them. Because they have lost their faith in bureaucrats, politicians, police, judiciary (unless there is a landmark judgement) and accountability agencies.
In US also agencies have their say, though it is not made public like we do it.

You are correct that everyone has their own way of dealing with the situation in Pakistan, but they broadly fall into four groups, as I have stated on PDF elsewhere: become part of the same system, resign and adapt to it, leave, or be incarcerated or killed.

You are also correct that USA is not perfect, no country on Earth is, but it does have working systems of checks and balances, as Trump is finding out.