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you are confusing Hindutva sanghis revisionism history fraud with Tamil history ?
history channel is your source?
Sangam literature as per credible sources is 2300 years old. Any 10000BC era structures in Tamil Nadu? Not even rock inscriptions. Take your bullshit elsewhere.
Hindutva Sangh will be happy about it, given they stand for anything Indian.
 
history channel is your source?
Sangam literature as per credible sources is 2300 years old. Any 10000BC era structures in Tamil Nadu? Not even rock inscriptions. Take your bullshit elsewhere.
Hindutva Sangh will be happy about it, given they stand for anything Indian.

history channel is not my source, my sources are your Hindu scriptures (puranas and ithihasas) i.e Srimad Bhagavatam and Matysa Purana. Off which Srimad Bhagavatam is held at high esteem by Hindus

If you reject these Hindu sources as bullshit than you need to do the same with your belief system

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 9, TEXTS 2–3

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ
jñānaṁ yo ’tīta-kalpānte
lebhe puruṣa-sevayā

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

Satyavrata, the king of pre-ancient Dravida and a devotee of Vishnu, who later was known as Manu was washing his hands in a river when a little fish swam into his hands and pleaded with him to save its life. He put it in a jar, which it soon outgrew. He then moved it to a tank, a river and then finally the ocean but to no avail. The fish then revealed himself to be Vishnu and told him that a deluge would occur within seven days that would destroy all life. The fish told Manu that at the end of Kali yug, the mare who lived at the bottom of the ocean would open her mouth to release a poisonous fire...the fire will burn the whole universe, gods, constellations and everything. The seven clouds of doomsday would then flood the earth until everything was a single ocean. Therefore, the fish instructed Satyavrata to take "all medicinal herbs, all the varieties of seeds, and accompanied by the seven saints”[4] along with the serpent Vasuki and other animals and board a boat that the gods had built

https://www.biodiversityofindia.org...ar_of_Vishnu_-_How_a_fish_saved_the_first_man

Ever wondered why the fish is Pandyan dynasty's (a dynasty that has it origin in Kumari Kandam ) royal emblem ?
Pandyan+Royal+Emblem.png

Pandyan Royal Emblem
Royal+emblem+of+the+Pandyas.jpg

Pandyan Royal Emblem

Heard of Goddess Meenakshi (Tamil - Meenatchi) Temple in Madurai the 3rd and last Pandyan capital of the sangam era (Tamil Meen - fish , Tamil atchi - Rules ) and wondered why she is Pandyan's patron deity

the submerging of Tamils Kumari Kandam continent gets mentioned in Hindu scriptures, you have the choice either accept or reject your religious sources.

Why Ikshvaku's (Rams fore father) ancestrial idol given by the "sun"god is in Sri Rangam Tamilnadu and not in Ayodhya , India ? Connect the dots
 
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history channel is not my source, my sources are your Hindu scriptures (puranas and ithihasas) i.e Srimad Bhagavatam and Matysa Purana. Off which Srimad Bhagavatam is held at high esteem by Hindus

If you reject these Hindu sources as bullshit than you need to do the same with your belief system

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 9, TEXTS 2–3

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ
jñānaṁ yo ’tīta-kalpānte
lebhe puruṣa-sevayā

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

Satyavrata, the king of pre-ancient Dravida and a devotee of Vishnu, who later was known as Manu was washing his hands in a river when a little fish swam into his hands and pleaded with him to save its life. He put it in a jar, which it soon outgrew. He then moved it to a tank, a river and then finally the ocean but to no avail. The fish then revealed himself to be Vishnu and told him that a deluge would occur within seven days that would destroy all life. The fish told Manu that at the end of Kali yug, the mare who lived at the bottom of the ocean would open her mouth to release a poisonous fire...the fire will burn the whole universe, gods, constellations and everything. The seven clouds of doomsday would then flood the earth until everything was a single ocean. Therefore, the fish instructed Satyavrata to take "all medicinal herbs, all the varieties of seeds, and accompanied by the seven saints”[4] along with the serpent Vasuki and other animals and board a boat that the gods had built

https://www.biodiversityofindia.org...ar_of_Vishnu_-_How_a_fish_saved_the_first_man

Ever wondered why the fish is Pandyan dynasty's (a dynasty that has it origin in Kumari Kandam ) royal emblem ?
Pandyan+Royal+Emblem.png

Pandyan Royal Emblem
Royal+emblem+of+the+Pandyas.jpg

Pandyan Royal Emblem

Heard of Goddess Meenakshi (Tamil - Meenatchi) Temple in Madurai the 3rd and last Pandyan capital of the sangam era (Tamil Meen - fish , Tamil atchi - Rules ) and wondered why she is Pandyan's patron deity

the submerging of Tamils Kumari Kandam continent gets mentioned in Hindu scriptures, you have the choice either accept or reject your religious sources.

Why Ikshvaku's (Rams fore father) ancestrial idol given by the "sun"god is in Sri Rangam Tamilnadu and not in Ayodhya , India ? Connect the dots
Ironical you come up with Sanskrit texts to justify the origin of Tamil which by the way has no mention in any of those texts. What happened to the Tamil texts or language which has supposed to be 7000BC origin?
Basically all your claims are based on texts written in Sanskrit.

Before the British, there was no Dravidian or South Indians, or a large united Tamil Kingdom based on language. It was Chera, Chola and pandya fighting with each other.
 
Ironical you come up with Sanskrit texts to justify the origin of Tamil which by the way has no mention in any of those texts. What happened to the Tamil texts or language which has supposed to be 7000BC origin?
Basically all your claims are based on texts written in Sanskrit.

You are missing the point i.e obession that the source are Sanskrit texts and not Tamil. The source isnt the issue, the issue is Hindu god ram's racial identity.

Had the source been Tamil text, Hindutva forces would have conviently dismissed it as Tamil nationalist propaganda.

Furthermore, the deluge mentioned in Sanksrit texts (e,g Bhagavatam and Matysa purans) corresponds with Tamil sangam literature's submerging of Kumari Kandam.

Your question 'what happened to the Tamil text' is irrelevant, as ram isnt a popular god of Tamils. Furthermore, Deepavali in Tamilnadu has no connection to ram.

Two Literary Traditions

There are two Literary Traditions in Hinduism in which original Hindu teachings have been recorded: the Sanskrit Tradition and the Tamil Tradition. (There is a third Pali Tradition but it focuses on Buddhism only). Of these three traditions, only Tamil is still a living tradition whereas Sanskrit and Pali are dead for all practical purposes.

Most Hindus are not aware that the Tamil texts are equally voluminous as the Sanskrit texts and some parts are thought to be as ancient as the Rig Veda although admittedly most of these old texts have been lost. These Tamil texts are even more profound in its universalist and all encompassing views covering not just Hindus but all mankind, all life as many of you are already aware.

https://anbudanarul.blogspot.com/2006/04/agamism-not-hinduism.html

Before the British, there was no Dravidian or South Indians, or a large united Tamil Kingdom based on language. It was Chera, Chola and pandya fighting with each other.

Ironically, before the British there was no country called India, thank Brits for giving Kashmir, Tamilandu , Nagaland etc to India on a golden platter

The term Dravida means Tamil in Sankrit, Tamila -> Dramila (Prakrit) -> Dravida (Sanskrit), in Pali its Damela

Before the British, Dravida is metioned in Hindu texts . Adi Sankara (8th AD) had identified himself as Dravida (Tamil) child, Bhagavatam , Matysa purana and other Hindu texts (ramayana /Mahabharata) have also mentioned Dravida nation /region/ race

Adi Sankara Soundarya Lahiri text 75
(Capacity to write poems)
Twa stanyam manye dharanidhara kanye hridhayatha
Paya paraabhaara parivahathi saaraswathamiva
Dhayavathya dhattham dravida sisu raaswadhya thava yat
Kaveenam proudana majani kamaniya kavayitha


Oh daughter of the king of mountains,
I feel in my mind,
That the milk that flows from your breast,
Is really the goddess of learning, Sarswathi,
In the form of a tidal wave of nectar.
For , milk given by you ,who is full of mercy,
Made the child of Dravida*,

The king among those great poets,
Whose works stole one�s mind.

http://sankaracharya.org/soundarya_lahari.php

Its none of Indians business if Pandyas, Cheras and Chola fought each other. The entire Tamil speaking region was referred to as Tamilakam (Greater Tamil Nation) in Sangam litertature ref - Purananuru 168: 18

Tamiḻakam (Home of Tamil), (Tamil: தமிழகம், Tamiḻakam), refers to the geographical region inhabited by the ancient Tamil people. Tamilakam covered today Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Puducherry, Lakshadweep and southern parts of Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka. Traditional accounts and Tholkāppiyam referred these territories as a single cultural area, where Tamil was the natural language and culture of all people. The ancient Tamil country was divided into kingdoms. The best known among them were the Cheras, Cholas, Pandyans and Pallavas. Archaeological data from protohistoric Kerala and Tamil Nadu "appears to challenge the notion of a separate culture region". During the Sangam period, Tamil culture began to spread outside Tamilakam. Ancient Tamil settlements were also found in Sri Lanka (Sri Lankan Tamils) and the Maldives (Giravarus).

https://alchetron.com/Tamilakam
 
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You are missing the point i.e obession that the source are Sanskrit texts and not Tamil. The source isnt the issue, the issue is Hindu god ram's racial identity.
Of course source is the issue, because no Tamil source that has Ramayana which is as old as Sanskrit ones, there are no Tamil names, Rama in Sanskrit means one who is lovely and beautiful, Dasharatha means one who can drive chariot in 10 directions. There is no Tamil Ethnicity. As well as Tamil nationalism is not ethno-nationalism, but linguistic nationalism. But Dravidians are an ethnicity that's extends throughout south India.

Now there is no evidence of Ram speaking Tamil, no evidence for Tamil being from 7000BC. Which was your original point, and you failed to provide any evidence for that. Be it archaeological or texts that give dates.
Now speaking of Manu, he is considered as progenitor of Kingdoms in India. He is not a Suryavansh or Chandravansh.
 
Of course source is the issue, because no Tamil source that has Ramayana which is as old as Sanskrit ones, there are no Tamil names, Rama in Sanskrit means one who is lovely and beautiful, Dasharatha means one who can drive chariot in 10 directions. There is no Tamil Ethnicity. As well as Tamil nationalism is not ethno-nationalism, but linguistic nationalism. But Dravidians are an ethnicity that's extends throughout south India.

Tamils dont care who ram is, he is not their god, ram is the god of Hindus. Its the Aryan Brahmanist sanskrit texts, that have mentioned ram's ancestors as Tamils.

Arent these smriti sources valid and considered authoritative in Hinduism. If you reject the smriti , then you need to reject Hinduism. This you can do in your own capacity but no bonafide Hindu leader/scholars will reject the sruti/smriti texts

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Tamil religious sources (e.g Dravida Vedas) are only authoritative to Tamil religion, not to Hinduism. Dont confuse the 2 different religious systems.

Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 9 , source : https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ
jñānaṁ yo ’tīta-kalpānte
lebhe puruṣa-sevayā

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

According to Matysa Purana the story is :

The_fish_avatara_of_Vishnu_saves_Manu_during_the_great_deluge-e1499610967935.jpg


According to the Matsya Purana, the king of pre-ancient Dravida and a devotee of Vishnu, Satyavrata who later was known as Manu was washing his hands in a river when a little fish swam into his hands and pleaded with him to save its life

https://detechter.com/the-noahs-ark-story-similar-to-matsya-purana-of-vishnu/

What language ram spoke is not the matter of contention. Sanskri text were written much later (probably written between 500 and 200 B.C).

ram is insignificant to Tamils, theres no significant religious works or temples on/for ram in Tamilnadu. Exception being Tamilnadu born ram's Thiagaraja's Telugu ram kritis (hymns) and kamban's Tamil translation of valmiki ramayan.

The major Tamil religious hymns/works are in praise of Tamil gods Siva, Murugan and Vishnu. However, ram is Hindutva (Hindi-Hindu-Hindustan) god of Hindu nationalism

Now there is no evidence of Ram speaking Tamil, no evidence for Tamil being from 7000BC. Which was your original point, and you failed to provide any evidence for that. Be it archaeological or texts that give dates.
Now speaking of Manu, he is considered as progenitor of Kingdoms in India. He is not a Suryavansh or Chandravansh.

Language vs Race, many 3rd gen NRI kids dont speak Indian langauges, apply the same logic to ram i.e if you have solid evidence that a 7000 yr character spoke the 3000 yrs old imported langauge -

Are rejecting the smiti evidence of ram Tamil (dravidian) root ?

Valmiki Ramayana ( chronology of ram lineage )

ivasvaan kashyapaaj jajne manur vaivastavaH smR^itaH |
sa tu prajaapatiH puurvam ikShvaakuH tu manoH sutaH || 2-110-6

"From Kashyapa, Vivasvan(sun-god) was born. Manu was the son of Vivasvan. Manu for his part, was formerly the lord of creation. Ikshvaku was Manu' s son."

yasya iyam prathamam dattaa samR^iddhaa manunaa mahii |
tam ikShvaakum ayodhyaayaam raajaanam viddhi puurvakam || 2-110-7

"The entire fertile earth was given by Manu to Ikshvaku and know that Ikshvaku was thus the first king of Ayodhya!"

shankhaNasya tu putro abhuut shuuraH shriimaan sudarshanaH |
sudarshanasya agni varNa agni varShasya shiighragaH || 2-110-30
shiighragasya maruH putro maroH putraH prashushrukaH |
prashushrukasya putro abhuud ambariiSho mahaa dyutiH || 2-110-31
ambariiShasya putro abhuun nahuShaH satya vikramaH |
nahuShasya ca naabhaagaH putraH parama dhaarmikaH || 2-110-32
ajaH ca suvrataH caiva naabhaagasya sutaau ubhau |
ajasya caiva dharma aatmaa raajaa dasharathaH sutaH || 2-110-33

The fortunate Sudarshana was the son of Shankhana. Sudarshana's son was Agnivarna; and of Agnivarna was born Shighraga. Shighraga begot Maru and Maru's son was Prashushruva from Prashushruva was born Ambarisha of that great radiance. To Ambarisha was born a son named Nahusha who was full of valour. Nahusha's son was Nabhaga of outstanding virtue. Aja and Suvrata were the two sons of Nabhaga and it was Aja who begot the virtuous King Dasartha."

sa raaghavaaNaam kula dharmam aatmanaH |
sanaatanam na adya vihaatum arhasi |
prabhuuta ratnaam anushaadhi mediniim |
prabhuuta raaShTraam pitR^ivan mahaa yashaaH || 2-110-36

36. mahaayashaH= O, the celebrated one!; sanaatanam= this is the eternal; kuladharmam= tradition of your race; raghuvaaNaam= those born in Raghu dynasty; aatmanaH= yours; saH= as such; naarhasi= and ought not; vihantum= to be violated by you; adya= now; anushaadhi= rule over; mediniim= the earth; prabhuuta ratnaam= abundant with precious metals; prabhuuta raaSTraam= and a vast kingdom; pitR^ivat= as did your father.

"O, the celebrated one! This is the eternal tradition of your race, those born in Raghu dynasty and ought not to be violated by you. Rule over the earth, this vast kingdom abudant with precious metals, as did your father."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga110/ayodhya_110_frame.htm

Reconcile Valmiki's ramayan with Srimad Bhagavatam

Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 9 , source : https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ
jñānaṁ yo ’tīta-kalpānte
lebhe puruṣa-sevayā

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

See diagram below, ram solar dynasty traces its lineage to Manu, Dasaratha is in 63 position followed by ram.

As per Aryan Sanksrit texts (Srimad Bhagavatam and Matsysa purans), he was a Tamil king saved from the great deluge by Vishnu's fish incarnation. This tallies with Tamil sangam sources on Kumari Kandam submergence.

20120703-showing-ancestors-and-descendants-of-shri-ram.png


Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 text 1

sri-bhagavan uvaca
imam vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave 'bravit

TRANSLATION

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku.

Hindu religion (imperishable science of yoga) owes its existence to Tamils via Manu, the father of mankind. Its secondary whether the language of their text is sanksrit or they didnt speak Tamil, the primary source of Hindu religion is Tamil.

ram worshiping the sun dynasty's patron god - Ranganatha (or Vishnu) who is is Tamilnadu (ever wondered why ?)

SrirangamArt07.jpg
 
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Tamils dont care who ram is, he is not their god, ram is the god of Hindus. Its the Aryan Brahmanist sanskrit texts, that have mentioned ram's ancestors as Tamils.

Arent these smriti sources valid and considered authoritative in Hinduism. If you reject the smriti , then you need to reject Hinduism. This you can do in your own capacity but no bonafide Hindu leader/scholars will reject the sruti/smriti texts

the-hindu-heritage-4-728.jpg


Tamil religious sources (e.g Dravida Vedas) are only authoritative to Tamil religion, not to Hinduism. Dont confuse the 2 different religious systems.

Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 9 , source : https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ
jñānaṁ yo ’tīta-kalpānte
lebhe puruṣa-sevayā

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

According to Matysa Purana the story is :

The_fish_avatara_of_Vishnu_saves_Manu_during_the_great_deluge-e1499610967935.jpg


According to the Matsya Purana, the king of pre-ancient Dravida and a devotee of Vishnu, Satyavrata who later was known as Manu was washing his hands in a river when a little fish swam into his hands and pleaded with him to save its life

https://detechter.com/the-noahs-ark-story-similar-to-matsya-purana-of-vishnu/

What language ram spoke is not the matter of contention. Sanskri text were written much later (probably written between 500 and 200 B.C).

ram is insignificant to Tamils, theres no significant religious works or temples on/for ram in Tamilnadu. Exception being Tamilnadu born ram's Thiagaraja's Telugu ram kritis (hymns) and kamban's Tamil translation of valmiki ramayan.

The major Tamil religious hymns/works are in praise of Tamil gods Siva, Murugan and Vishnu. However, ram is Hindutva (Hindi-Hindu-Hindustan) god of Hindu nationalism



Language vs Race, many 3rd gen NRI kids dont speak Indian langauges, apply the same logic to ram i.e if you have solid evidence that a 7000 yr character spoke the 3000 yrs old imported langauge -

Are rejecting the smiti evidence of ram Tamil (dravidian) root ?

Valmiki Ramayana ( chronology of ram lineage )

ivasvaan kashyapaaj jajne manur vaivastavaH smR^itaH |
sa tu prajaapatiH puurvam ikShvaakuH tu manoH sutaH || 2-110-6

"From Kashyapa, Vivasvan(sun-god) was born. Manu was the son of Vivasvan. Manu for his part, was formerly the lord of creation. Ikshvaku was Manu' s son."

yasya iyam prathamam dattaa samR^iddhaa manunaa mahii |
tam ikShvaakum ayodhyaayaam raajaanam viddhi puurvakam || 2-110-7

"The entire fertile earth was given by Manu to Ikshvaku and know that Ikshvaku was thus the first king of Ayodhya!"

shankhaNasya tu putro abhuut shuuraH shriimaan sudarshanaH |
sudarshanasya agni varNa agni varShasya shiighragaH || 2-110-30
shiighragasya maruH putro maroH putraH prashushrukaH |
prashushrukasya putro abhuud ambariiSho mahaa dyutiH || 2-110-31
ambariiShasya putro abhuun nahuShaH satya vikramaH |
nahuShasya ca naabhaagaH putraH parama dhaarmikaH || 2-110-32
ajaH ca suvrataH caiva naabhaagasya sutaau ubhau |
ajasya caiva dharma aatmaa raajaa dasharathaH sutaH || 2-110-33

The fortunate Sudarshana was the son of Shankhana. Sudarshana's son was Agnivarna; and of Agnivarna was born Shighraga. Shighraga begot Maru and Maru's son was Prashushruva from Prashushruva was born Ambarisha of that great radiance. To Ambarisha was born a son named Nahusha who was full of valour. Nahusha's son was Nabhaga of outstanding virtue. Aja and Suvrata were the two sons of Nabhaga and it was Aja who begot the virtuous King Dasartha."

sa raaghavaaNaam kula dharmam aatmanaH |
sanaatanam na adya vihaatum arhasi |
prabhuuta ratnaam anushaadhi mediniim |
prabhuuta raaShTraam pitR^ivan mahaa yashaaH || 2-110-36

36. mahaayashaH= O, the celebrated one!; sanaatanam= this is the eternal; kuladharmam= tradition of your race; raghuvaaNaam= those born in Raghu dynasty; aatmanaH= yours; saH= as such; naarhasi= and ought not; vihantum= to be violated by you; adya= now; anushaadhi= rule over; mediniim= the earth; prabhuuta ratnaam= abundant with precious metals; prabhuuta raaSTraam= and a vast kingdom; pitR^ivat= as did your father.

"O, the celebrated one! This is the eternal tradition of your race, those born in Raghu dynasty and ought not to be violated by you. Rule over the earth, this vast kingdom abudant with precious metals, as did your father."

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga110/ayodhya_110_frame.htm

Reconcile Valmiki's ramayan with Srimad Bhagavatam

Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 9 , source : https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ
jñānaṁ yo ’tīta-kalpānte
lebhe puruṣa-sevayā

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

See diagram below, ram solar dynasty traces its lineage to Manu, Dasaratha is in 63 position followed by ram.

As per Aryan Sanksrit texts (Srimad Bhagavatam and Matsysa purans), he was a Tamil king saved from the great deluge by Vishnu's fish incarnation. This tallies with Tamil sangam sources on Kumari Kandam submergence.

20120703-showing-ancestors-and-descendants-of-shri-ram.png


Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 text 1

sri-bhagavan uvaca
imam vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave 'bravit

TRANSLATION

The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku.

Hindu religion (imperishable science of yoga) owes its existence to Tamils via Manu, the father of mankind. Its secondary whether the language of their text is sanksrit or they didnt speak Tamil, the primary source of Hindu religion is Tamil.

ram worshiping the sun dynasty's patron god - Ranganatha (or Vishnu) who is is Tamilnadu (ever wondered why ?)

SrirangamArt07.jpg

Now you're deflecting. Like I said, Manu is more like the first king where all the empires in India began.
It's like saying all white people (humans in general) are African origin.

Sanskrit language is older than 500BC, it's well established. Bring me Tamil texts written in 1000BC, then there is matter in your assertion. Else, you're pulling nonsense.

While you're at it, find me Tamil names for Ram, Dasharatha, etc... I'm curious, if they in fact spoke Tamil, why would they have Sanskrit names?
Tamils are not ethnicity, but an identity. A Tamil would know it, a fake Tamil like you would think it's the land.
 
Now you're deflecting. Like I said, Manu is more like the first king where all the empires in India began.
It's like saying all white people (humans in general) are African origin.

Manu was Tamil - this is what your Hindu text says (not me)

Sanskrit language is older than 500BC, it's well established. Bring me Tamil texts written in 1000BC, then there is matter in your assertion. Else, you're pulling nonsense.

I said written form , proof sankrit written form exised before 500 BC,

What language ram spoke is not the matter of contention. Sanskri text were written much later (probably written between 500 and 200 B.C).


dont you worry about Tamil, Tamils have their own history, which sanghis will quickly dismiss as Tamil nationalist propaganda. Keezhadi excavations in Tamilnadu is slowly demolishing all the Indian historic lies. And Indian PM has acknowledege Tamil is the oldest language ..chew on that


While you're at it, find me Tamil names for Ram, Dasharatha, etc... I'm curious, if they in fact spoke Tamil, why would they have Sanskrit names?
Tamils are not ethnicity, but an identity. A Tamil would know it, a fake Tamil like you would think it's the land.

Malaysian PM, Mahatir Mohammad, has Muslim name, speaks Malay, is an icon of Malay Muslims (ask Zakir Naik) doesnt negate the fact that his ancestors were from Kerala. Apply this logic to Hindutva's idol ram

The name - Ravanan is Tamil , enough said . As mentioned earlier Tamils dont give a hoot about ram.

Ethnicity includes (cultural) identity, shared identities which include language, food, ancestry, dress, customs and other shared cultural traits. Tamilnadu Tamils share similar ethnicity and identity with with Tamil in Malaysia , Eelam etc, not with Indians

The attack against me as a person (fake Tamil) is a sign of being unable to address the argument itself.
 
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Manu was Tamil - this is what your Hindu text says (not me)
No texts says Manu is Tamil. Dravidians are not just Tamils.

I said written form , proof sankrit written form exised before 500 BC,
No, you can't ask a question to my question. Answer where I can find any Tamil texts that's older than 500 BC. Or even Oral traditions that at least gives a time stamp on it's age. Sanskrit have pretty long list of it.

The name - Ravanan is Tamil , enough said . As mentioned earlier Tamils dont give a hoot about ram.
The name Ravana is means one who roars, he used to recite vedas loudly. His family lines are from a Prajapathi who are direct descendends of Lord Brahma. His father was Vaishravana, meaning one who can listen passively and yet retain it. His grand father was Pulasya, hmmm not Tamil Sounding names.
On one hand you claim, Ram was Tamil. Now you claim Tamil don't give a hoot about Ram. Which one is it?
Also, calling your bullshit out Lord Ram is venerated among the Vanniya community, the largest caste in Tamil Nadu. There are thousands of Ram temples in Tamil Nadu, a fake Tamil would not know that obviously.
Malaysian PM, Mahatir Mohammad, has Muslim name, speaks Malay, is an icon of Malay Muslims (ask Zakir Naik) doesnt negate the fact that his ancestors were from Kerala. Apply this logic to Hindutva's idol ram
That's not a logical argument. Also, Mahatir is not a Muslim or Arabic name it's the Sanskrit influence in Malay language.
 
dont you worry about Tamil, Tamils have their own history, which sanghis will quickly dismiss as Tamil nationalist propaganda. Keezhadi excavations in Tamilnadu is slowly demolishing all the Indian historic lies. And Indian PM has acknowledege Tamil is the oldest language ..chew on that

Every cast and region has its own history. What is the point in saying that Tamils has their own history? Others dropped from sky? Oldest language is sanskrit in which almighty gave his knowledge to rishis. Oldest text Vedas is written in Sanskrit and not in Tamil. Though Tamil is an old language, but not oldest.
 
Every cast and region has its own history. What is the point in saying that Tamils has their own history? Others dropped from sky? Oldest language is sanskrit in which almighty gave his knowledge to rishis. Oldest text Vedas is written in Sanskrit and not in Tamil. Though Tamil is an old language, but not oldest.

Every region has its won history", but Tamils history, culture and religion is much older the others. Reference Sanskrit sources - Srimad Bhagavatam, Matsya Purana , Garuda Purana etc, repeat the same history - Tamil king Manu, was the first progenitor of humanity and the first man to receive spiritual knowledge. Go figure which should have came first , Manu's Dravidian Tamil or Aryan Sanskrit

sample -Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 9 https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

I hope you know the episode of Hindu god Vishnu's Fish incarnation - Matsya Avatar !

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References of Kumari Kandam in Puranas and Ancient Tamil Literature Bhagavata-Purana, 10th Skanda.

In Tamil literary works Aintiram, Silappadhikaram, Manimekhalai and SaivamPaayanam and in Sanskrit literary work Bhagavatha Purana, there are information about Tamil sage Mayan, who wrote one of the Tamil Sangam literary works Aintiram, and was part of Tamil Sangams and lived in Kumari Kandam. This sage also wrote other Tamil literature Pranava Vedham (which is called by Vyasa as the predecessor of four Vedas in Bhagavatha Purana), MayaMatham (Book about Architecture, Sculptures and Vasthu) and SuriyaNool (Book about Astronomy and Astrology), one Tamil grammatical work, etc. According to Aintiram, Kumari Kandam was a land which has huge area and the PalThuli river (PalThuli – Divided grammatical form of Pahruli according to Tamil grammar which means many drops), one of the Kumari Kandam rivers, originated from PeruMalai(means big mountain – represents MeruMalai – Meru Mountain). It also tells that there were 49 lands in Kumari Kandam. Tamil literary work SaivamPaayanam gives information about Kumari Kandam and its territories. It also mentions the existence of PeruMalai (MeruMalai – Meru Mountain) in Kumari Kandam.

The Tamil poetic literature Tamil vidu thoothu describes the Topography of Kumari Kandam. It is also said that the Pahruli river was excavated to irrigate the mountain valley by the Pandiyan King Nediyon. The third Sangam literary work Purananooru talks about Kumari Kandam and the river Pahruli which was there in Kumari Kandam. The Tamil Grammar work Nannool talks about the sunken country Kumari Kandam. The Tamil literature SiruKakkaip Paadiniyaar talks about the Kumari Kandam. There are references for Kumari Kandam present in Kantapuranam, which mentions it as one of the nine continents of old times, or one of the nine divisions of India and the only region not to be inhabited by barbarians. According to the Matsya Purana, Manu was the king of Dravidadesa (South Indian country) in Kumari Kandam. There are references for Kumari Kandam present in Garuda Purana. Also, There are scattered references in Sangam literature, such as Kalittokai 104, to how the sea took the land of the Pandiyan Kings, after which they conquered new lands to replace those they had lost.

References of Kumari Kandam (Lemuria) in Chinese & Greek Literature In some of the ancient Chinese chronicles, there are references to Pahruli river, Peru river and Meru Mountain (with 49 peaks) from where the Kumari River, Peru river and Pahruli river were originated (according to Tamil literature). It is said that Chinese laborers were employed by the Pandiyan King and when they went down the mines they appeared like a huge army of small ants. Therefore, they were called pon thondi erumbukal (Gold mining ants). This is also confirmed by ancient Chinese chronicles. Megasthenes (ca. 350 – 290 BCE), a Greek ethnographer and explorer in the Hellenistic period, authored the work Indika, the account of his travels in India. In this work, he says that Taprobane (old name of Sri Lanka) was separated from the mainland (Indian Peninsula) by a river, which means that during the period of Megasthenes, Sri Lanka could have been connected to Indian Peninsula by a small landmass in between them and was divided by Thamirabarani River (Porunai River).

The current Thamirabarani River in Tamil Nadu flows into the sea suggests that the Thamirabarani River would have reached Sri Lanka through a now-submerged landmass existed between Indian Peninsula and Sri Lanka during the period of Megasthenes. Archaeological Data supporting existence of Kumari Kandam archeological findings at Poompuhar The marine archeological findings at Poompuhar (Tamil Nadu) by marine archeological research conducted by the National Institute of Marine Archeology (Goa) reveals that much of the town of Poompugar (Tamil Nadu) was washed away by progressive erosion and a Tsunami around 300 BC.

http://ultadin.com/2015/10/23/ancient-kumari-kandam-the-lost-continent/

Please share with us the great history of the other regions in India and please dont mock your PM, who has officially announced in UN that Tamil is the oldest Language (refer to post #53), thank you
 
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Every region has its won history", but Tamils history, culture and religion is much older the others. Reference Sanskrit sources - Srimad Bhagavatam, Matsya Purana , Garuda Purana etc, repeat the same history - Tamil king Manu, was the first progenitor of humanity and the first man to receive spiritual knowledge. Go figure which should have came first , Manu's Dravidian Tamil or Aryan Sanskrit

sample -Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 9 https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/9/1/2-3?d=1

yo ’sau satyavrato nāma
rājarṣir draviḍeśvaraḥ

Satyavrata, the saintly king of Draviḍadeśa who received spiritual knowledge at the end of the last millennium by the grace of the Supreme, later became Vaivasvata Manu, the son of Vivasvān, in the next manvantara [period of Manu]. I have received this knowledge from you. I also understand that such kings as Ikṣvāku were his sons, as you have already explained.

I hope you know the episode of Hindu god Vishnu's Fish incarnation - Matsya Avatar !

Bhagavata-Purana-10th-Skanda1.jpg



References of Kumari Kandam in Puranas and Ancient Tamil Literature Bhagavata-Purana, 10th Skanda.

In Tamil literary works Aintiram, Silappadhikaram, Manimekhalai and SaivamPaayanam and in Sanskrit literary work Bhagavatha Purana, there are information about Tamil sage Mayan, who wrote one of the Tamil Sangam literary works Aintiram, and was part of Tamil Sangams and lived in Kumari Kandam. This sage also wrote other Tamil literature Pranava Vedham (which is called by Vyasa as the predecessor of four Vedas in Bhagavatha Purana), MayaMatham (Book about Architecture, Sculptures and Vasthu) and SuriyaNool (Book about Astronomy and Astrology), one Tamil grammatical work, etc. According to Aintiram, Kumari Kandam was a land which has huge area and the PalThuli river (PalThuli – Divided grammatical form of Pahruli according to Tamil grammar which means many drops), one of the Kumari Kandam rivers, originated from PeruMalai(means big mountain – represents MeruMalai – Meru Mountain). It also tells that there were 49 lands in Kumari Kandam. Tamil literary work SaivamPaayanam gives information about Kumari Kandam and its territories. It also mentions the existence of PeruMalai (MeruMalai – Meru Mountain) in Kumari Kandam.

The Tamil poetic literature Tamil vidu thoothu describes the Topography of Kumari Kandam. It is also said that the Pahruli river was excavated to irrigate the mountain valley by the Pandiyan King Nediyon. The third Sangam literary work Purananooru talks about Kumari Kandam and the river Pahruli which was there in Kumari Kandam. The Tamil Grammar work Nannool talks about the sunken country Kumari Kandam. The Tamil literature SiruKakkaip Paadiniyaar talks about the Kumari Kandam. There are references for Kumari Kandam present in Kantapuranam, which mentions it as one of the nine continents of old times, or one of the nine divisions of India and the only region not to be inhabited by barbarians. According to the Matsya Purana, Manu was the king of Dravidadesa (South Indian country) in Kumari Kandam. There are references for Kumari Kandam present in Garuda Purana. Also, There are scattered references in Sangam literature, such as Kalittokai 104, to how the sea took the land of the Pandiyan Kings, after which they conquered new lands to replace those they had lost.

References of Kumari Kandam (Lemuria) in Chinese & Greek Literature In some of the ancient Chinese chronicles, there are references to Pahruli river, Peru river and Meru Mountain (with 49 peaks) from where the Kumari River, Peru river and Pahruli river were originated (according to Tamil literature). It is said that Chinese laborers were employed by the Pandiyan King and when they went down the mines they appeared like a huge army of small ants. Therefore, they were called pon thondi erumbukal (Gold mining ants). This is also confirmed by ancient Chinese chronicles. Megasthenes (ca. 350 – 290 BCE), a Greek ethnographer and explorer in the Hellenistic period, authored the work Indika, the account of his travels in India. In this work, he says that Taprobane (old name of Sri Lanka) was separated from the mainland (Indian Peninsula) by a river, which means that during the period of Megasthenes, Sri Lanka could have been connected to Indian Peninsula by a small landmass in between them and was divided by Thamirabarani River (Porunai River).

The current Thamirabarani River in Tamil Nadu flows into the sea suggests that the Thamirabarani River would have reached Sri Lanka through a now-submerged landmass existed between Indian Peninsula and Sri Lanka during the period of Megasthenes. Archaeological Data supporting existence of Kumari Kandam archeological findings at Poompuhar The marine archeological findings at Poompuhar (Tamil Nadu) by marine archeological research conducted by the National Institute of Marine Archeology (Goa) reveals that much of the town of Poompugar (Tamil Nadu) was washed away by progressive erosion and a Tsunami around 300 BC.

http://ultadin.com/2015/10/23/ancient-kumari-kandam-the-lost-continent/

Please share with us the great history of the other regions in India and please dont mock your PM, who has officially announced in UN that Tamil is the oldest Language (refer to post #53), thank you

Do not post your shit propaganda here. Tamil is an old language but not as old as Sanskrit. World's oldest book Vedas are written in Sanskrit. Moreover Tamil as not as scientific and perfect as a language as Sanskrit is. Tamil is oldest language, Ram was Tamils etc are BS. Better you Tamils discuss between among you and not try to convince others.
 

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