Happiness on the face of barkha dutt

[Haroon Syed]

are you really pakistani??

Are you really Indian ? Don't we have a right to question just like you have a right to get involved in everything ?

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

no, i have seen his other posts... they take a non-pakistan pro-sangh line... example, ( Je Suis Scumbag: Charlie Hebdo Mocks Victims of Russian Plane Crash | Page 5 ).

So according to you, defending freedom of speech is "pro-sangh line"? You should read more and speculate less.

can you please go through my 8000+ posts?? i don't want to repeat things.

india as a society and state has done more towards indian misery in the last 68 years than pakistan or china could ever do.

let us not get into a circular argument.

If you are indeed an Indian, I have a question for you. Do you freely express your opinion even when not hiding behind the cover of anonymity? I ask this because if you do, and you don't face much adverse reaction to it, then India must be a good country to live in. As for myself, I live in Frankfurt, so I can express myself in any way I want. Not so much if I was still in Pakistan.

 

[itachii]

Wasn't Barkha Dutt one of those exposed in the Radia tapes? Why is it that people still treat her as if she has any credibility left?

welcome to India..

 

[jamahir]

What gave me away, my knowledge of India

i did not mean it that way, and you know it.

Are you really Indian ? Don't we have a right to question just like you have a right to get involved in everything ?

i, a socialist, am never the one to ask people to limit themselves within their national borders.

you as a human have the right to talk, suggest, question and enquire about any event in any society.

So according to you, defending freedom of speech is "pro-sangh line"? You should read more and speculate less.

if you are referring to the charlie hebdo cartoon about the russian plane tragedy, defending that cartoon is not defending real freedom of speech but doing defense of hyporcrisy as you will have seen being pointed out by posts in that thread, including mine.

what is the urgent need for charlie hebdo to make a mocking/supposedly-jokey work about such a tragedy?? russia government has called the cartoon a blasphemy, and rightly so.

let me see charlie hebdo make a jokey cartoon about the killing of the american ambassador to ( nato/terrorist occupied ) libya that happened in tripoli in 2012, or like akheilos said in that thread, let them make a cartoon about their own 11 killed, 11 injured from the january attack.

charlie hebdo is a fake-intellectual agency, with no courage to question the real things.

If you are indeed an Indian, I have a question for you. Do you freely express your opinion even when not hiding behind the cover of anonymity?

i do express my political opinions when not under cover of online anonymity and in the small circle offline people i know, i am seen as a leader type, and to help my opinions as much visibility in offline india as they have in online pdf, i am in the process of joining one of the progressive parties here.

I ask this because if you do, and you don't face much adverse reaction to it, then India must be a good country to live in.

are you not aware of why indian intellectuals and artistes have been returning their government awards in recent days??

are you not aware of shahrukh khan's statement about india having become a intolerant society??

As for myself, I live in Frankfurt, so I can express myself in any way I want. Not so much if I was still in Pakistan.

okay, can you form a modernized communist movement ( peaceful ) which has former members of the german "red army faction"??

 

[Kaniska]

She is a part of the crooked system which was created socialist...Anyway. she must be happy today because BJP has been lost..

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

if you are referring to the charlie hebdo cartoon about the russian plane tragedy, defending that cartoon is not defending real freedom of speech but doing defense of hyporcrisy as you will have seen being pointed out by posts in that thread, including mine.

what is the urgent need for charlie hebdo to make a mocking/supposedly-jokey work about such a tragedy?? russia government has called the cartoon a blasphemy, and rightly so.

let me see charlie hebdo make a jokey cartoon about the killing of the american ambassador to ( nato/terrorist occupied ) libya that happened in tripoli in 2012, or like akheilos said in that thread, let them make a cartoon about their own 11 killed, 11 injured from the january attack.

charlie hebdo is a fake-intellectual agency, with no courage to question the real things.

Without giving any platitudes and certificates to Charlie Hebdo, I would still say that it takes courage to be who they are. As for your suggestion that they mock themselves, the test for hypocrisy is not that. The test for hypocrisy is if, having defended their own right to offend, they were to rage and howl against someone else making such cartoons about the killings in the January attack. The onus is on Akheilos and anyone who thinks like her to draw such caroons, and then dare Charlie Hebdo to get offended, thereby exposing their hypocrisy.

If PDF members are such sticklers for good manners, then maybe they should look at their own forum. There is a member on PDF, who names himself after Rommel (Desert Fox), has his photo on his profile, and quotes from Hitler. I see that PDF and its members have nothing to say about such open admiration for the Nazis, but they all get their undies in a twist when the shoe is on the other foot.

i do express my political opinions when not under cover of online anonymity and in the small circle offline people i know, i am seen as a leader type, and to help my opinions as much visibility in offline india as they have in online pdf, i am in the process of joining one of the communist parties here.

are you not aware of why indian intellectuals and artistes have been returning their government awards in recent days??

are you not aware of shahrukh khan's statement about india having become a intolerant society??

Don't talk about Shahrukh Khan, talk about yourself. Despite opinions about your own country that could be considered anti-national by many, are you allowed to live in peace or not?

okay, can you form a modernized communist movement ( peaceful ) which has former members of the german "red army faction"??

No one knows what a "peaceful" RAF would look like, just as no one knew what a "peaceful" Nazi Party would be. Horst Mahler is the only ex-RAF member that I am aware of, and he is a Neo-Nazi who vilifies Jews and immigrants. But he has not been arrested in recent years, as far as I am aware.

 

[rubyjackass]

At around 4o'clock just before nitish kumars press conference barkha dutt was seen with lalu prasad with full smile on her face and asking photographers (maybe their cameraman ) to take a picture of them together..she was asking lalu to show victory symbol..she was off air but those pictures were shown live on CNN IBN.
I might also have been felt elated had I been in her place because of being on the receiving end of the criticism from right wing parties and organisations.. she is a human after all..she however should try to curb her emotions when in public meetings like that..we expect journalists to be unbiased and on the side of justice.

Well that is common journo stuff. Having a light moment with a winning team of politicos, asking them to pose for a pic etc.

What I don't get though is why NDTV hired her back. They already lost me as a viewer because of that. So I guess that's why she doesn't bother me that much these days.

 

[jamahir]

No one knows what a "peaceful" RAF would look like, just as no one knew what a "peaceful" Nazi Party would be. Horst Mahler is the only ex-RAF member that I am aware of, and he is a Neo-Nazi who vilifies Jews and immigrants. But he has not been arrested in recent years, as far as I am aware.

i will point out your attempt to defame and twist my post by you maliciously connecting communist thought to nazism and a former raf member who switched later to right-wing... in fact, it is you forwarding fascism by other parts of your post supporting the sanghis in india.

now, did i say you must resurrect the raf?? i only asked you to form a new communist movement whose members will include from former raf membership... again, this won't be a fighting group but a peaceful movement... and instead of being limited to traditional "marxism", you can advance by mixing marxism with the libyan theory of jamahiriya.

the below articles give hint that former raf members can be found...

Revealed: N. Korea hideout of Red Army Faction fugitives | The Japan Times

Helmut Pohl, 1943-2014

the idea is to test your theory about german state/establishment being democratic and thus allowing you to, without trouble, talk of internationalism and transnational socialist/communist thought.

Don't talk about Shahrukh Khan, talk about yourself. Despite opinions about your own country that could be considered anti-national by many, are you allowed to live in peace or not?

every progressive thought in any reactionary and capitalist society has always been suppressed as being "anti-national"... the other indian word for this is "seditious" ( british-era word ).

this is part of another post of mine...

you know, nationalists were always the death of a society, keeping alive the very traditions, mores and political/social system that kept the society regressive, backward, reactionary and unjust... one other thing is nationalists do is enslave their country to the western bloc.

i dislike nationalists... being a socialist, i am a internationalist, a transnationalist.

your wording about "anti-national" seem suspiciously sanghi... are you justifying the sangh activities and ideology??

200,000 farmers in india suicided between 1997 and 2010, only because of the crap political/social/economic system of the indian state... farmer suicides are one of the many problems india has since 1947... now, either you will call for a socialist transition or you will support reactionary and capitalist oppression, especially of the sangh and use "anti-national" to suppress progressivism/justice.

and oh, even on pdf, i have been threatened a few times... with bjp's victory last year, the sanghi worms have come freely crawling out of the woodwork and think they own india... three prominent rationalists/progressives in india have been shot dead by sanghi terrorists since 2013, the progressive indians are protesting, the terrorist-supporter and fascist bjp government is running a vicious disinfo campaign against them and you ask if i am allowed to live in peace or not?? what, you will put out a condolence statement if i am shot too??

and let us not demean the importance of shahrukh khan's statement.

Without giving any platitudes and certificates to Charlie Hebdo, I would still say that it takes courage to be who they are.

they must have thought they are protected by the french state and american-government-connected morality and propaganda media machine.

The onus is on Akheilos and anyone who thinks like her to draw such caroons, and then dare Charlie Hebdo to get offended, thereby exposing their hypocrisy.

no, the onus is on charlie hebdo... they can laugh at others but not at themselves?? i am sure it won't need more than three days for a self-mock cartoon, yet 10 months, they haven't self-mocked.

 

[third eye]

Barkha Dutt justifying ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits by mullas

She is merely stating a fact not justifying anything at all.

 

[vsdoc]

i do express my political opinions when not under cover of online anonymity and in the small circle offline people i know, i am seen as a leader type, and to help my opinions as much visibility in offline india as they have in online pdf, i am in the process of joining one of the progressive parties here.

You have been "in the process" like forever man.

By now I would have been Shakha Pramukh of Pune South Shiv Sena if I was even a fraction as interested in politics as you seem to be.

Why not join Owaisi. He needs more Muslim Progressives to dilute his brother frothing at the mouth.

 

[jamahir]

You have been "in the process" like forever man.

with certain parties it is a slow process.

Why not join Owaisi. He needs more Muslim Progressives to dilute his brother frothing at the mouth.

their atmosphere is not comfortable for me... for example, that zakir naik type statement by the elder about shahrukh khan.

 

[vsdoc]

their atmosphere is not comfortable for me... for example, that zakir naik type statement by the elder about shahrukh khan.

I did not hear it.

The elder one I actually respect for how he spoke in Pakistan.

Muslims loyal to our watan are my brothers.

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

i will point out your attempt to defame and twist my post by you maliciously connecting communist thought to nazism and a former raf member who switched later to right-wing... in fact, it is you forwarding fascism by other parts of your post supporting the sanghis in india.

Look, you are a really confused person, Jamahir. About RAF, they were a terrorist organization, so any comparison with Nazis or assorted scum from anywhere should not really be a problem. And as for forwarding fascism by supporting XYZ is concerned, maybe you didn't notice that the problem is in reverse. It is you, who despite claiming to be a communist/socialist Internationalist, has common cause with Islamic fundamentalists. Your position on Charlie Hebdo, or for that matter anything that I have read from you so far, mirrors the agenda of Islamic fundamentalists. You, miraculously, seem to be in agreement with them on pretty much everything.

Take the example of Charlie Hebdo and the pogrom of Kashmiri Pandits. Kindly point out communist/socialist political opinion anywhere that assails Charlie Hebdo or denies the massacre of Pandits in the Valley. This view is unique to you among so-called communists/socialists, shared only by Islamic fundamentalists.

So how is one to ascertain your true identity, just because you claim so? You have a lot more to answer insofar as your claims about your identity and political affiliations than I do.

now, did i say you must resurrect the raf?? i only asked you to form a new communist movement whose members will include from former raf membership... again, this won't be a fighting group but a peaceful movement... and instead of being limited to traditional "marxism", you can advance by mixing marxism with the libyan theory of jamahiriya.

the idea is to test your theory about german state/establishment being democratic and thus allowing you to, without trouble, talk of internationalism and transnational socialist/communist thought.

If, and when such a "peaceful" reiteration of RAF appears, we will be in a better position to answer your question. As of now, the only evidence we have on the subject is circumstantial. Both right-wing parties such as NDP and far-left like DKP are allowed to exist in Germany, aren't they? So why presume that if your hypothetical party arises, they would not be allowed to exist? And by the way, what relevance would Gaddafi's Third International have for Germany? How would a movement based partly on a confused mishmash of Arab and African identity sustain itself in Germany?

your wording about "anti-national" seem suspiciously sanghi... are you justifying the sangh activities and ideology??

There you go again, Jamahir. When I use the word "anti-nationalist", I an referring to what popular opinion in India might be, and not what I think. I am an Internationalist, and dare day not as selectively as you are. What anvil of double-standards was your world-view forged upon, exactly? When you support a fundamental Islamist agenda under the garb of being a communist/socialist Islamist, it is fine. But when I have a coincidental agreement with right-wing ideologues, then it is suspicious.

I have no doubt about where my agreements or disagreements with right-wing, left-wing, and opportunists lies. Both the opposition or support of ideologues may be based in opportunism. For example, on the Charlie Hebdo issue, right wing Hindus may support free speech when the cartoons in question are about Mohammed and Islam, but may froth and foam if a nude goddess is involved. I am aware of such hypocrisy and double-standards. Why are you assuming that I will froth and fume if a nude Hindu goddess is involved? In fact, I should question you, and the other "outragists" on PDF - would you oppose Charlie Hebdo if they made a cartoon of a nude Hindu goddess?

What was your view on the M. F. Hussain controversy, Jamahir? My view is clear - he had every right to paint what he wants. What is your view? Are you a closet Islamic fundamentalist posing as a communist?

200,000 farmers in india suicided between 1997 and 2010, only because of the crap political/social/economic system of the indian state... farmer suicides are one of the many problems india has since 1947... now, either you will call for a socialist transition or you will support reactionary and capitalist oppression, especially of the sangh and use "anti-national" to suppress progressivism/justice.

What does that have anything to do with what we are talking about? You just had to mention that because you felt like it, didn't you?

and oh, even on pdf, i have been threatened a few times... with bjp's victory last year, the sanghi worms have come freely crawling out of the woodwork and think they own india... three prominent rationalists/progressives in india have been shot dead by sanghi terrorists since 2013, the progressive indians are protesting, the terrorist-supporter and fascist bjp government is running a vicious disinfo campaign against them and you ask if i am allowed to live in peace or not?? what, you will put out a condolence statement if i am shot too??

So you cannot point out any credible threat to your safety as a result of your views which you claim to express publicly, and which you also concede will not be very popular in India. You know what, Jamahir, some people never appreciate a good thing. you may have a point when you say that there may be selective pockets of intolerance growing in India, but how can you compare a society based upon rule of law favourably with fundamentalist Islamic societies that tolerate no opposition or dissent? The dis-proportionality of your claims is mind-boggling. There is a communist movement in India, and quite a big one at that. Where is the communist movement in Islamic countries, Jamahir? They are fundamentally at odds, so only one can survive.

they must have thought they are protected by the french state and american-government-connected morality and propaganda media machine.

You should then come and live in countries like France and Germany. Here, unless you are a right-wing nutcase, it takes balls to say anything critical of Islam. It used to be so about Jews and the holocaust, but seems the Europeans have decided that appeasing Islam is a bigger priority. There was a lot of opposition to Charlie Hebdo, until the attacks. It was then that Europeans realized how their liberty is being threatened, and rallied behind them.

no, the onus is on charlie hebdo... they can laugh at others but not at themselves?? i am sure it won't need more than three days for a self-mock cartoon, yet 10 months, they haven't self-mocked.

What can I say to that. I said go ahead, make cartoons mocking the attacks on Charlie Hebdo. They would be hypocrites to raise an outcry. You say no, they should make the cartoons themselves. So you are saying that freedom of expression also involves a duty to self-caricature? What can one say to reasoning like that?

 

[Bitter Melon]

For example, on the Charlie Hebdo issue, right wing Hindus may support free speech when the cartoons in question are about Mohammed and Islam, but may froth and foam if a nude goddess is involved. I am aware of such hypocrisy and double-standards. Why are you assuming that I will froth and fume if a nude Hindu goddess is involved? In fact, I should question you, and the other "outragists" on PDF - would you oppose Charlie Hebdo if they made a cartoon of a nude Hindu goddess?

The Hindu organizations or political parties do not support the drawing of cartoons of Mohammed though the right wing Hindus may. Likewise, the objection to nude Hindu goddess by Hussein was because of his reluctance to draw anything equally controversial about Islamic figures. Hindus got tired of being victim of their liberalism and the selective outrage of our liberal intelligentsia. Otherwise, there are nude goddess figurines everywhere even in our newly built temples.

 

[Ifteqar Aisan]

The Hindu organizations or political parties do not support the drawing of cartoons of Mohammed though the right wing Hindus may. Likewise, the objection to nude Hindu goddess by Hussein was because of his reluctance to draw anything equally controversial about Islamic figures. Hindus got tired of being victim of their liberalism and the selective outrage of our liberal intelligentsia. Otherwise, there are nude goddess figurines everywhere even in our newly built temples.

Liberals and right-wing elements may selectively agree or disagree in an issue-based manner. That is how productive dialogue happens. I understand your point about selective liberal outrage. India is one of the countries that has been plagued by selectively myopic liberal intelligentsia. I am a liberal myself, but chose to disagree with my liberal friends on this particular issue. Support or outrage should not be selective. Shedding tears about growing right-wing menace is an incomplete story if you don't raise equal concern about increasing Wahhabi indoctrination and its pernicious effects on the youth. Selective outcries only increase isolation and disagreements.