Hanwha’s Chairman to Visit Vietnam

[Indos]

KFX is a poor copy of the F-22. If your 200 "engineers" could only create a poor copy of the F-22 with sub-optimal RCS, then your designers are wasting their time.

Singapore is a leading country in aero engines because of Seletar Aerospace Park, where around 100 companies operate and where an entire ecosystem has sprung up. Yes, Rolls Royce also collaborates with Singapore to develop technologies.

For example, its Corporate R&D Lab on Manufacturing & Repair, Electric Power and Control, Materials Support and Computational Engineering is the first one of its kind. Over 120 aerospace R&D projects have been carried out to date. By the way, Safran, General Electric and Pratt and Whitney are present in Singapore too. As you may know, these companies are merely OEMs and source from suppliers downstream. And then, you have all of Airbus, Boeing, Embraer and Bombardier collaborating on R&D.

There is no difficulty in designing an airframe, anyway. Here's a spaceplane prototype designed, developed and tested by Singapore in 2014.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-airbus-defence-space-tests-spaceplane-ve-400050/

Let's not talk about plans because it's not certain how many of those plans will materialize. Speaking of electronic components and data links, do you think Singapore has not done so?

First C 103 design is not similar like F 22, it becomes like F 22 (C 109 design) after Lockheed Martin join the program. It is a mature design and every body are agree on after testing it in wind tunnel, but it is still not 100 % similar. Even Chinese stealth is similar like F 35 so why it takes so long for them to design it if copying is that easy?

If Singapore is so great in designing airframe why dont Singapore design and manufacture its own aircraft and not using Airbus design. Even your government admit that in aircraft design Singapore is still not really that good. There is a reason why South Korean chooses Indonesia to be partner over Singaporean who has bigger defense budget and airspace know how and aerospace industry as you mentioned. South Korea and Singaporean are both US ally as well. But they choose Indonesia.

If you are so great in aerospace engine why there is no Singaporean company who can design and build turbo jet/turbo fan ?, even there is no Singaporean company who can manufacture component and part of turbojet/turbofan. And dont tell me that all of foreign aerospace companies in aero engine in Singapore are Singaporean company, they are foreign companies who are there to support your MRO industries which is I have to admit has become the biggest in South East Asia. I also need to ask you whether there is Singaporean company who can make industrial turbine ?

LoL if designing airframe is not that difficult so why PT Dirgantara Indonesia become the only aerospace company in South East Asia who can produce its own made aircraft under its name.

Talking about plan, yup of course it is there since the plane hasnt been mass produced (InshaALLAH in 2025-2026) but our indigenous cockpit instrument have already been used in our Hawk 200 fighter. Our IFF has also been used in our indigenous radar.

Previously Indonesian agency also design Stealth fighter by its own.

 

[Nike]

What is the verdict? Who won this cyber battle between Vietnam and Indonesia?

There is no point talking about foreign sourced technology. AFAIK, most Korean defence technology is essentially repackaged Western technology.

KFX relies on Lockheed Martin for essential technology. AEGIS destroyers rely again on LM. Their Type 209 subs are German in origin. K1M1 MBT is derived from M1A1 MBT.

ID/VN only receives hand-me-down tech from Korea that they had originally acquired from NATO members.

Speaking of aero engines, you do know that Singapore is a leading country in the Asian continent and the leader in ASEAN region in this regard, right?

Dont be smug, your country even doesnt posses metal smelter or significant parts manufacturing , in any war and siege scenario your country doesnt worth a dime.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Great to know. Good luck to Vietnam. Wish your people the best.

Thanks, Singapore also can invest more to safe nation like VN. Just see how fats to make a car from VN, so can feel that our workers r quite skillful and well trained.

Good to join wt Sing in civilized group like TPP bro

 

[Senang Diri]

Thanks, Singapore also can invest more to safe nation like VN. Just see how fats to make a car from VN, so can feel that our workers r quite skillful and well trained.

Good to join wt Sing in civilized group like TPP bro

Singapore does invest in Vietnam and Vietnamese workers are very diligent too. Good luck.

First C 103 design is not similar like F 22, it becomes like F 22 (C 109 design) after Lockheed Martin join the program. It is a mature design and every body are agree on after testing it in wind tunnel, but it is still not 100 % similar. Even Chinese stealth is similar like F 35 so why it takes so long for them to design it if copying is that easy?

You said first, C103 design is not similar to F22, but then you wrote it became like F22. So which is it?

Is your KF-X a poor knock-off of the F-22 airframe? Or not?

If Singapore is so great in designing airframe why dont Singapore design and manufacture its own aircraft and not using Airbus design. Even your government admit that in aircraft design Singapore is still not really that good. There is a reason why South Korean chooses Indonesia to be partner over Singaporean who has bigger defense budget and airspace know how and aerospace industry as you mentioned. South Korea and Singaporean are both US ally as well. But they choose Indonesia.

It's not profitable, that's why. Just because Singapore had an automobile assembly plant in the 1980s does not mean it's profitable to retain that plant in Singapore in 2018. Who said Singapore can not design aircrafts? Didn't you see the spaceplane prototype I mentioned? That was a Singaporean design, development and test conducted for Airbus.

The reason South Korea chose Indonesia to be a junior partner in that relationship where SoKor itself relied on tech imports from the USA is that there was no public expression of interest from Singapore in joining SoKor for a collaborative project.

Singapore is not a formal US ally. Just for the record.

http://samm.dsca.mil/glossary/major-non-nato-allies

Designated as Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, New Zealand, Pakistan, Philippines, Republic of Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand [Sec. 517, FAA].

Singapore is probably (not sure) the only country that was offered the status of a major non-NATO ally by the USA and has not yet accepted it.

If you are so great in aerospace engine why there is no Singaporean company who can design and build turbo jet/turbo fan ?, even there is no Singaporean company who can manufacture component and part of turbojet/turbofan. And dont tell me that all of foreign aerospace companies in aero engine in Singapore are Singaporean company, they are foreign companies who are there to support your MRO industries which is I have to admit has become the biggest in South East Asia. I also need to ask you whether there is Singaporean company who can make industrial turbine ?

It's not profitable, that's why.

Aero-engines are sold at a loss by all major aero engine manufacturers. That is exactly why Italian Avio or German MTU have been acquired by other companies.

You are wrong. There are Singaporean companies who manufacture, repair, maintain and overhaul aero engine components. Seletar Aerospace Park is one such location but they are spread all around the island.
Here's an example out of many.
http://www.jcs-vanetec.com.sg/our-technology-products/our-technology/

JCS-Vanetec Pte Ltd has a full complement of in-house capabilities to produce Airfoils（also known as Vanes）made from uniform Airfoil Strip, or highly twisted tapered 3D Compressor Vanes for the latest generation of aircraft engines. Our patented “Cold Roll-Forging Process ” is capable of holding tight tolerances, whilst producing parts with no need for a subsequent finishing operation – such as machining or grinding – making our rolling process very cost-effective.

Methodologies for Vane manufacturing currently on the market are Forging, Electro Chemical Machining (ECM) or CNC-Machining. These processes are time consuming and incur a higher wastage of material, when machining from a solid block.

Compressor vanes are typically made out of Nickel based alloy, Titanium or enhanced Stainless Steels. These alloys, including Aluminum alloys, can be cold rolled for By-Pass Vanes.

LoL if designing airframe is not that difficult so why PT Dirgantara Indonesia become the only aerospace company in South East Asia who can produce its own made aircraft under its name.

Talking about plan, yup of course it is there since the plane hasnt been mass produced (InshaALLAH in 2025-2026) but our indigenous cockpit instrument have already been used in our Hawk 200 fighter. Our IFF has also been used in our indigenous radar.

Previously Indonesian agency also design Stealth fighter by its own.

I can't speak for other countries' capabilities.

In the case of Singapore, it's simply not profitable to involve in this sector. How many billions has PT Dirgantara Indonesia earned in profit yet?

Your "indigenous" cockpit instruments were not COTS, by any chance were they? Nothing too complicated in any case. Have you developed C4ISR systems of your own? Do you operate an AEW system by any chance? Any EO sensors developed by you? Or any other sensors? Sonars? Anything else?

Dont be smug, your country even doesnt posses metal smelter or significant parts manufacturing , in any war and siege scenario your country doesnt worth a dime.

Significant parts manufacturing you say? Pray tell what you mean by "significant parts manufacturing" and what such activities take place in Indonesia. I can try my level best to counter with what "little" Singapore has developed, produced or designed.

 

[Viet]

@Viet u r not even living in VN, so can u stop using nick Viet when talking to low life barbarian? use nic German or Gay Lord instead

in real life, No Vnese wanna say a single word to those low life. so stop posting under nick Viet here.

and zstop guessing what engine we can do. I have lots of friends working for Vinfast now and I know exactly which engine BMW will transfer tech to Vinfast to produce it in VN.

Stop using nick Viet to talk wt barbarian, do u still remember how our ancestors treat to barbarians in the South, did our ancestors waste time to talk ??. The fact is that U know only little abt VN.

gay lord? Man, you have humour

Come pls reveal us some what you know on Vinfast! I’m very interested.

 

[Indos]

You said first, C103 design is not similar to F22, but then you wrote it became like F22. So which is it?

Is your KF-X a poor knock-off of the F-22 airframe? Or not?

C 109 design can be said is a mix between C 103 design and F 22 design. KFX first phase of development is 2011-2014 that results in C 103 design (only ADD and Indonesian involved). Since 2016 KAI and Lockheed Martin join in with result in C 109 design (second phase of development).

The reason South Korea chose Indonesia to be a junior partner in that relationship where SoKor itself relied on tech imports from the USA is that there was no public expression of interest from Singapore in joining SoKor for a collaborative project.

The question that must be ask is that did South Korea ask Singapore to join the program in the first place or not ? It didnt righ ? So why it didnt invite you and instead invited Indonesia to join ? South Korea also dont know about Indonesian interest before it proposed the KFX program to Indonesian.

In the case of Singapore, it's simply not profitable to involve in this sector. How many billions has PT Dirgantara Indonesia earned in profit yet?

LOL, anybody can say like that easily to avoid such question. Its profit is around 5 million USD last year but there is much optimism that the profit will jump inshaALLAH once PT DI started to sell N 219 aircraft next year. This year profit target is 12 million USD.

Your "indigenous" cockpit instruments were not COTS, by any chance were they? Nothing too complicated in any case. Have you developed C4ISR systems of your own? Do you operate an AEW system by any chance? Any EO sensors developed by you? Or any other sensors? Sonars? Anything else?

We plan to make the first in the world micro satellite with remote sensing on it. The satellite and remote sensing are design by Indonesian scientist. Have you made 150 km range rocket ? Try find on youtube RX 450 Lapan launch. Maybe it is why you started to buy anti missile system to protect your city state.

Info Global KFX/IFX cockpit

PT LEN 200km radar (with IFF)

Passive radar prototype

You can check all Info Global Product here

http://m.infoglobal.co.id/id/avionik

You can check some PT LEN Industry product here

https://www.len.co.id/teknologi-bisnis/katalog-produk/

There are still 3 more Indonesian companies specialized in defense electronics

 

[Viva_Viet]

gay lord? Man, you have humour

Come pls reveal us some what you know on Vinfast! I’m very interested.

1.Vinfast workers have to work extra time for electric bike due to high deman from VN market.( woker salary from 350-750 usd/month higher a bit than the average salary 250-650 usd in VN)

2.Car mechanics still under training wt German standard ( who not qualified will be fired after few days testing skill, very strict rule ) when waiting for more machine coming from German.

3.All license for engines for Lux car and Fadil car r bought (from BMW and other German engine companies ) and will manufacture in VN and will get VN name for the engine soon.

will update more, hope to see your own support from German to vinfast bro

 

[Senang Diri]

C 109 design can be said is a mix between C 103 design and F 22 design. KFX first phase of development is 2011-2014 that results in C 103 design (only ADD and Indonesian involved). Since 2016 KAI and Lockheed Martin join in with result in C 109 design (second phase of development).

In simpler terms, KFX is a poor copy of F-22.

Why does KAI require LM assistance if they can design steath airframe?

If Indonesian engineers can design, test and validate stealth airframes, why do you need KAI - which in turn requires LM?

In short, your KFX is a poor copy of F-22.

The question that must be ask is that did South Korea ask Singapore to join the program in the first place or not ? It didnt righ ? So why it didnt invite you and instead invited Indonesia to join ? South Korea also dont know about Indonesian interest before it proposed the KFX program to Indonesian.

South Korea never asked France, Germany or Britain to join. Ergo, Indonesia is more advanced than France, Britain or Germany. See the fallacy yet?

There is no point in joining SoKor for a project when SoKor relies on imported tech.

LOL, anybody can say like that easily to avoid such question. Its profit is around 5 million USD last year but there is much optimism that the profit will jump inshaALLAH once PT DI started to sell N 219 aircraft next year. This year profit target is 12 million USD.

A grand total of 5 million!

Airbus earned a "pittance" of $3.6 billion. That explains everything.

We plan to make the first in the world micro satellite with remote sensing on it. The satellite and remote sensing are design by Indonesian scientist. Have you made 150 km range rocket ? Try find on youtube RX 450 Lapan launch. Maybe it is why you started to buy anti missile system to protect your city state.

1. Future plans again? Talk about real achievements, not dreams. Do you know the difference?

2. What happened to the huff and puff all that while? So where are Indonesian aero engine manufacturer OEMs, downstream suppliers and R&D to support the ecosystem like what exists in the case of Singapore?

Info Global KFX/IFX cockpit

COTS? Good for you. Nothing special though. A bit like Aselsan. Little in the way of indigenous development.

PT LEN 200km radar (with IFF)

Passive radar prototype

You can check all Info Global Product here

http://m.infoglobal.co.id/id/avionik

You can check some PT LEN Industry product here

https://www.len.co.id/teknologi-bisnis/katalog-produk/

There are still 3 more Indonesian companies specialized in defense electronics

Not prototypes, rather mockups.

No specifications whatsoever. Not tested, not certified, not inducted, sold or exported.

COTS modules slapped together on aged Hawk 200 trainers

Nothing new.

Have you developed armour systems? AEW? Sonars? EO sensors? EO recon satellites? SAR satellites? Inter Satellite Data Relay systems? Active Protection Systems? Underwater communication systems? Autonomous USV? UCAV? A simple howitzer? A simple frigate/destroyer/cruiser? IFV?

I'll give you a glimpse on Singapore's non-classified R&D on Hypersonics.

http://www.temasek-labs.nus.edu.sg/program/program_aerohypersonics.php

The main objective of hypersonics and detonation research at Temasek Laboratories@NUS is to study fundamental aerodynamics, thermodynamics, combustion, guidance and control for hypersonic flight and to develop several key enabling technologies for the use of detonation waves for aerospace propulsion applications.

Here's an example of Singapore-France collaboration on ramjet (for supersonic vehicles) engines.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...a_Pulse_Detonation_Engine_for_UAV_application

On the basis of knowledge acquired during the last ten years, MBDA and DSO started a collaboration devoted to the pre-development of a small-scale PDE demonstrator that could be flight tested within the next years. This demonstrator should use storable fuel, be throttle-able, provides a good specific impulse in a small-size engine with a good thrust-to-weight ratio and minimum maintenance cost. This demonstrator should also be able to operate in a complete airbreathing mode, without onboard oxidizer, so the design of the ignition device is one of the key points of this engine, the other being the inlet integration and the capability to provide continuous inlet flow even with a pulsed combustion chamber operation.

Other examples, also non-classified

After some in house studies performed in national and international cooperation, MBDA is now focusing its efforts to the development of a demonstration engine led in cooperation with Singapourian DSO in order to really assess the feasibility and the interest of this propulsion concept

During past years, MBDAFrance and DSO (Singapore) started a common effort on pulse detonation engines, focusing on air-breathing application and engine operation, the final objective being the realization and testing of a complete engine demonstrator.

Any space plane from Indonesia?

 

[Nike]

Singapore does invest in Vietnam and Vietnamese workers are very diligent too. Good luck.



You said first, C103 design is not similar to F22, but then you wrote it became like F22. So which is it?

Is your KF-X a poor knock-off of the F-22 airframe? Or not?





It's not profitable, that's why. Just because Singapore had an automobile assembly plant in the 1980s does not mean it's profitable to retain that plant in Singapore in 2018. Who said Singapore can not design aircrafts? Didn't you see the spaceplane prototype I mentioned? That was a Singaporean design, development and test conducted for Airbus.

The reason South Korea chose Indonesia to be a junior partner in that relationship where SoKor itself relied on tech imports from the USA is that there was no public expression of interest from Singapore in joining SoKor for a collaborative project.

Singapore is not a formal US ally. Just for the record.

http://samm.dsca.mil/glossary/major-non-nato-allies



Singapore is probably (not sure) the only country that was offered the status of a major non-NATO ally by the USA and has not yet accepted it.




It's not profitable, that's why.

Aero-engines are sold at a loss by all major aero engine manufacturers. That is exactly why Italian Avio or German MTU have been acquired by other companies.

You are wrong. There are Singaporean companies who manufacture, repair, maintain and overhaul aero engine components. Seletar Aerospace Park is one such location but they are spread all around the island.
Here's an example out of many.
http://www.jcs-vanetec.com.sg/our-technology-products/our-technology/







I can't speak for other countries' capabilities.

In the case of Singapore, it's simply not profitable to involve in this sector. How many billions has PT Dirgantara Indonesia earned in profit yet?

Your "indigenous" cockpit instruments were not COTS, by any chance were they? Nothing too complicated in any case. Have you developed C4ISR systems of your own? Do you operate an AEW system by any chance? Any EO sensors developed by you? Or any other sensors? Sonars? Anything else?



Significant parts manufacturing you say? Pray tell what you mean by "significant parts manufacturing" and what such activities take place in Indonesia. I can try my level best to counter with what "little" Singapore has developed, produced or designed.

Lol talking big the little RED DOT
http://www.umcntp.co.id/mro_industrial#

Not even able to design simple aircraft and what with Rolls Royce center of excellent along with GE MRO parts and manufacturing, LoL not so different with what we had in Garuda Maintenance Facilities Aero with their OEM license for engines and spares parts

In simpler terms, KFX is a poor copy of F-22.

Why does KAI require LM assistance if they can design steath airframe?

If Indonesian engineers can design, test and validate stealth airframes, why do you need KAI - which in turn requires LM?

In short, your KFX is a poor copy of F-22.



South Korea never asked France, Germany or Britain to join. Ergo, Indonesia is more advanced than France, Britain or Germany. See the fallacy yet?

There is no point in joining SoKor for a project when SoKor relies on imported tech.



A grand total of 5 million!

Airbus earned a "pittance" of $3.6 billion. That explains everything.



1. Future plans again? Talk about real achievements, not dreams. Do you know the difference?

2. What happened to the huff and puff all that while? So where are Indonesian aero engine manufacturer OEMs, downstream suppliers and R&D to support the ecosystem like what exists in the case of Singapore?




COTS? Good for you. Nothing special though. A bit like Aselsan. Little in the way of indigenous development.







Not prototypes, rather mockups.

No specifications whatsoever. Not tested, not certified, not inducted, sold or exported.

COTS modules slapped together on aged Hawk 200 trainers

Nothing new.

Have you developed armour systems? AEW? Sonars? EO sensors? EO recon satellites? SAR satellites? Inter Satellite Data Relay systems? Active Protection Systems? Underwater communication systems? Autonomous USV? UCAV? A simple howitzer? A simple frigate/destroyer/cruiser? IFV?

I'll give you a glimpse on Singapore's non-classified R&D on Hypersonics.

http://www.temasek-labs.nus.edu.sg/program/program_aerohypersonics.php




Here's an example of Singapore-France collaboration on ramjet (for supersonic vehicles) engines.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...a_Pulse_Detonation_Engine_for_UAV_application



Other examples, also non-classified






Any space plane from Indonesia?

Uh oh non classified where is the project now? It come from 2008, today is 2018 should be any news today

Talking about aeronautical ecosystems in Indonesia is had starting point compared to other country in the region with several university hold degree at aero engineering courses and several training centre

http://aviani.maukemana.net/2017/09...ec-indonesia-aeronautical-engineering-center/

With gov. Supported research institute like LAPAN,LIPI, BPPT, UI, ITB, poltek bandung and so on.

 

[Senang Diri]

Lol talking big the little RED DOT
http://www.umcntp.co.id/mro_industrial#

Not even able to design simple aircraft and what with Rolls Royce center of excellent along with GE MRO parts and manufacturing, LoL not so different with what we had in Garuda Maintenance Facilities Aero with their OEM license for engines and spares parts



Uh oh non classified where is the project now? It come from 2008, today is 2018 should be any news today

I see the truth has hurt you a lot so that you need to seek solace in attacking Singapore rather than showing what Indonesia has developed and produced.

All you have is some low end MRO services, with no aerospace manufacturing, no aero engine manufacturers OEMs, no downstream suppliers, no R&D.

In simple terms, thanks to Seletar Aerospace Park, Singapore continues to enjoy the leading position in ASEAN and one of the leading positions within Asian continent in high value added aerospace activities, through manufacturing, R&D, MRO, training and other services.

Any space plane from Indonesia by the way? Or development of ramjet, scramjet or other beyond Mach 2 vehicles?

Let's make it easier, since we all know how "developed" Indonesia is.

Any autonomous vehicles in public operation? Testing?

Any key developments on autonomous vehicles? LiDar maybe? Algorithms? Sth?

Uh oh non classified where is the project now? It come from 2008, today is 2018 should be any news today

Talking about aeronautical ecosystems in Indonesia is had starting point compared to other country in the region with several university hold degree at aero engineering courses and several training centre

http://aviani.maukemana.net/2017/09...ec-indonesia-aeronautical-engineering-center/

With gov. Supported research institute like LAPAN,LIPI, BPPT, UI, ITB, poltek bandung and so on.

What news do you want? You won't get more than that even if you want to until many years away.

A simple TV guided bomb developed locally was only released to the public more than 20 years after development.

For years, the number of F-15SG in Singapore's inventory was pegged at 12, only later was a higher number revealed.

 

[Indos]

In simpler terms, KFX is a poor copy of F-22.

Why does KAI require LM assistance if they can design steath airframe?

If Indonesian engineers can design, test and validate stealth airframes, why do you need KAI - which in turn requires LM?

KAI is also a financial contributor of the program. BTW you dont have Stealth program dont you ?

South Korea never asked France, Germany or Britain to join. Ergo, Indonesia is more advanced than France, Britain or Germany. See the fallacy yet?

There is no point in joining SoKor for a project when SoKor relies on imported tech.

LOL, poor logic from you, overestimate Singaporean tech

A grand total of 5 million!

Airbus earned a "pittance" of $3.6 billion. That explains everything.

Lets be patience, inshaALLAH PT DI will grow much faster with its N 219 and N 245 aircraft. N 219 has 120 orders already.

2. What happened to the huff and puff all that while? So where are Indonesian aero engine manufacturer OEMs, downstream suppliers and R&D to support the ecosystem like what exists in the case of Singapore?

In the case of Singaporean is foreign companies which is there to support its MRO industry.

Not prototypes, rather mockups.

No specifications whatsoever. Not tested, not certified, not inducted, sold or exported.

Prototype. It is still new, by the way where is Singaporean made radar ?? Make sure it is made by Singaporean not by foreign company

Have you developed armour systems? AEW? Sonars? EO sensors? EO recon satellites? SAR satellites? Inter Satellite Data Relay systems? Active Protection Systems? Underwater communication systems? Autonomous USV? UCAV? A simple howitzer? A simple frigate/destroyer/cruiser? IFV?

Have you made all that ?

We are making SAR satellite. It will be the first in the world using micro satellite as a base inshaALLAH. By the way your Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) is made by your engineers or buy from Westeners ??

Lundin Bonefish

Frigate

Medium Tank Pindad

I'll give you a glimpse on Singapore's non-classified R&D on Hypersonics.

http://www.temasek-labs.nus.edu.sg/program/program_aerohypersonics.php


Here's an example of Singapore-France collaboration on ramjet (for supersonic vehicles) engines.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268483776_First_steps_for_the_Development_and_testing_of_a_Pulse_Detonation_Engine_for_UAV_application

LOL still in development process where is the real product ???

 

[Senang Diri]

Utterly childish. Little knowledge except copy paste with no scientific or technical expertise.

The Vietnamese members were right. Better to ignore a primitive society. No wonder China surpassed them and Vietnam is advancing faster than them now.

They only use "LOL" because they know they have nothing of note despite the plethora of information shown. Even their so called medium tank was developed by FNSS (a joint British-Turkish) venture using Belgian cockerill turret, with little to no Indonesian input. Might I add, this project was announced after SG announced a similar concept? Shhh...

No.Vnese dont waste time wt ID even in real life.We only care abt developed nations like US-Russia-German and other EU countries .

We can ask for engine tech transfer from German ( Vinfast cars got full engine tech transfer from BMW and the BMW engine we bought will make in VN ), so why should we waste time wt SK ??

@Viet is not living in VN and know little abt VN.

You are right, my friend. I tried but in my vain.

IQ results show everything. Everything just zooms past their heads leaving them bamboozled.

TIMSS, PISA, Maths Olympiad, Science Olympiads, quality of highly cited science, engineering, tech or mathematics papers is abhorrent for them, too.

They do not understand what a spaceplane is or what it takes to design them. Completely and utterly shambolic state of their country is understandable, really.

 

[Viet]

1.Vinfast workers have to work extra time for electric bike due to high deman from VN market.( woker salary from 350-750 usd/month higher a bit than the average salary 250-650 usd in VN)

2.Car mechanics still under training wt German standard ( who not qualified will be fired after few days testing skill, very strict rule ) when waiting for more machine coming from German.

3.All license for engines for Lux car and Fadil car r bought (from BMW and other German engine companies ) and will manufacture in VN and will get VN name for the engine soon.

will update more, hope to see your own support from German to vinfast bro

Once the assembly line spews out cars there is a challenge though: Vinfast can’t export cars to Europe powered by the engine.Because it doesn’t meet the new emission standard euro 6. any news on that? How Vinfast engineers will fix the problem? BMW probably will refuse to give Vietnam the latest engine technology.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Thanks, Singapore also can invest more to safe nation like VN. Just see how fats to make a car from VN, so can feel that our workers r quite skillful and well trained.

Good to join wt Sing in civilized group like TPP bro

Your countrymen just burned singapore's factories just a couple of years ago.

https://www.google.co.id/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBREA4D04F20140514

Singapore is a lot more closer to Indonesia than vietnam. Figuratively, economically, politically, militarily & literally.

Hell we just have a military exercise with them just last week.

Most singaporean doesn't see vietnam as other than a sweatshop. Lee Kuan Yew even goes as far as hating you guys.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Once the assembly line spews out cars there is a challenge though: Vinfast can’t export cars to Europe powered by the engine.Because it doesn’t meet the new emission standard euro 6. any news on that? How Vinfast engineers will fix the problem? BMW probably will refuse to give Vietnam the latest engine technology.


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Vinfast just focus on VN market first. I think Euro 6 is easy to solve as we can buy that technology from Cummin and put it on the car. ( many car/truck manufacturers buy Cummin aftertreatment tech for euro6 standard, engine almost do Nothing for emission standard,bro)

Your countrymen just burned singapore's factories just a couple of years ago.

https://www.google.co.id/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSBREA4D04F20140514

Singapore is a lot more closer to Indonesia than vietnam. Figuratively, economically, politically, militarily & literally.

Hell we just have a military exercise with them just last week.

Most singaporean doesn't see vietnam as other than a sweatshop. Lee Kuan Yew even goes as far as hating you guys.

Our country, our rule, more investors still coming as VN have a special location, German still agree to trasfer engine tech to VN even when VN agents just kidnap a man in German and create a Diplomacy crisis. my last reply to u.