Hanoi calls time on anti-China protests

[below_freezing]

you did not get me. do you see that Cuba has been isolated from the rest of the world by USA? i mean with what VN is doing now, China may turn them into another Cuba or Mexico but not Canada in the future!

Cuba is doing fine, they're a great country and only USA doesn't like them. They have full diplomatic relationships with almost all Asian and European countries.

 

[rcrmj]

I'm not prohibited to speak coz you and your countrymen have never broken any of my points

why you lot only deserve 'dirty' words from us because you have no point at all but clueless ranting and vietcon propaganda

 

[Rechoice]

Cuba is doing fine, they're a great country and only USA doesn't like them. They have full diplomatic relationships with almost all Asian and European countries.

China has been called Vietnam as "Orient Cuba". It's example for boneless tongue.

 

[hoangsa]

A lot of Viet members recently have came here to fight back the wrong argument from brainwahed or bad Chinese guys that they are holding justice which actually they are not. The main reason we discuss, argue, quarrel, talk **** with Chinese members here is not to win this point or that point but to tell to the international members what the real story is.

Finally, all of the points from Chinese members were feed backed clearly and fairly including Campodia war, Sino war, US Vietnam war, Claiming on sea, culture, Baiyue, Huaxia..etc.... These days, Chinese start talking nonsense things and personal things. Viet guys should not be pulled into deep **** with such rubbish things. Let them be, if they start wrong story again, turn black to white again.Viet onliner will appear here again to tell the true.

 

[lawxx]

It should also be at the Guangxi People's Liberation Army and the deployment of troops on the border, a strong military pressure on Vietnam to yield, good

 

[Foreigntrademan]

you don't know we will be so happy if your investor pull our of Vn ???bcz the constructions made by CHina are the worst in VN and you bring many illegal workers to Vn also.

If you pull our, Japan-US-India investor will have warm welcome from Vnese, you will lose jobs and resouces, and we have No problem

Do you forget to take medicine??????

 

[Nestea]

SO pls tell me can your DF-21D hit the US. carrier as SinoSoldier said ??

555km is OK , our EEZ is only 200nm (about 400km), we don't need the range of 1000km

Also starts to shift the topic ! this is really in line with your usual style ah! Regarding revision missile range this matter, You tell me first, You are whether very stupid, ignorant, fantasy? Then we continue the next topic again!

 

[Nestea]

A lot of Viet members recently have came here to fight back the wrong argument from brainwahed or bad Chinese guys that they are holding justice which actually they are not. The main reason we discuss, argue, quarrel, talk **** with Chinese members here is not to win this point or that point but to tell to the international members what the real story is.

Finally, all of the points from Chinese members were feed backed clearly and fairly including Campodia war, Sino war, US Vietnam war, Claiming on sea, culture, Baiyue, Huaxia..etc.... These days, Chinese start talking nonsense things and personal things. Viet guys should not be pulled into deep **** with such rubbish things. Let them be, if they start wrong story again, turn black to white again.Viet onliner will appear here again to tell the true.

You are very hypocritical, Don't pretend that Vietnam is innocent!

Vietnam : Most Hundred Yue's gene pool now are within the modern Chinese population. It means a lot of modern Chinese, in fact, have Baiyue as their great great father. Baiyue land & culture was taken by ancient Han ( peoples from Northen land).Vietnam is from Lac Viet peoples (Sea Bird Yue - 雒越 ), Lac Viet was one of Hundred Yue ( Baiyue).Baiyue = Bách Việt = Hundred Yue .

Truth: Historically, Chinese culture/civilization is developed in Northern China. Even for development of Southern China, it was by those who migrated from Northern China due to wars in the North. When Northern Chinese migrated to South, they further suppressed/drove those supposed Baiyue down south again, e.g. to those mountains in Guangxi, and further Vietnam, Laos and etc.The supposed Baiyue has never been an accepted culture contributory element in Chinese culture. If it indeed has any role, it is at most very tiny one. The only one that has a little relation to the south is the Chu in warring period. Jin is the period the Northern Chinese migrated to South and another wave came after Northern Song collapsed. There is no pure Chinese gene nowadays and those supposed enemies of China, e.g. The Huns, the Turks and Mongolians, Manturians and etc have joined the Chinese family through inter-racial marriage. Even Tang's emperors had turkish blood in their veins as well. Historically, China's defense is always against the North. There is not much China need worry about from the South anyway. Baiyue was driven to the current Guangxi, Laos and Vietnam area when Northern Han Chinese moved south during Jin as well as Song period. I bet there is almost none of them left during Song's migration. In addition, even during warring period, only Wu, Yue as well as Chu have some contacts with those Baiyue people. When Qin established, Qin's general Zhao Tuo was sent to conquer Baiyue and he did that and established the first kingdom there after he learned his master: Qin shihuang has died and Qin Dynasty has collapsed. Anyway, it is historically wrong to say Baiyue is Chinese's mother. It does not deserve that at all.


Vietnam :We only had few year to learn how to use the SAM, how to fly Mig 21, but we could shoot down B-52 when even Soviet , China though it's impoosible, we will try to buy lots of US weapon to deal with you, hope US will teach us on how to jam your radar.

Truth: in 70s air bombardmends were conducted only few kilometers around the target area, but in modern air percision strikes (which is a very long distance dream to viet air force) are carrying out 50+ miles away. and buying from US, but neglect the basic fact that radar jamming techs are highly stratigical and classified, even US doenst export and de-code its own radar frequency and detial to its closest allies like UK and Japan. and US spending billions every year to upgrade and maintain their electronic kits and weapons every single year, they basically spend whole Vietnam economy just to maintain and upgrade. different radar system has different radio frequencys and software.one type of jammer can deal with specific type of radars . vietnam has almost no experience in information and electronic centric modern warfare, these is even a huge question mark on whether uneducated vietcon soldiers can operation it. for example, before the Gulf war, Iraq had lots very advanced USSR weapons at that time, however all their radars, jammers, fighter jets and missiles performed poorly against the allie army. because even they had latest weapons but their understanding of modern warfare was very limited, and trainings were poor.


Vietnam : our SU-30 or Mig 21 Bison team will be equipted with full missiles, try to find the targets like oil tanker craft and AWACS ( normaly out of combat radius range ) shoot them down, and if Su or Mig teams don't have enough gaz to fly back to the base, so just drop the crafts to the sea and pilot jump out with parachute. the best way of defence for small country in mordern warfare is using S-300, AAA system and making many Fake target that Radar and satellite can not recognize the different.

Truth: Syria followed the same strategy in the Beka Valley air war. Iraqi and Serbia also followed such doctrine. They failed miserably. SAMs and AAA batteries were nearly useless in stopping air operations. Airplanes always have advantages over ground systems, the greatest of all being gravity and mobility.Runny kamikaze air attack against an opponent with greater situational awareness is nearly impossible, especially when your own sensors are jammed. How detect and track targets? How guide your plane towards your targets? These are things to think about, since Vietnam best fighter jets were jammed easily just One month ago.A more likely scenario is that Vietnam radars will be jammed by SEAD opeartions, reducing their effectiveness. The enemy will use stand-off weapons to destroy Vietnam assets. In addition, your ground forces movements will be tracked by satellites. When planes take off, they would be tracked by AWACS, and intercept flights will be directed towards them. Again, they would be jammed without being able to fight back.Total military superiority is not examplified by a few weapon systems, but your ability to network and intergrate them into combine arms operation. can deploy as many decoys as you want, but when ships sail out of port or planes take off, Vietnam might as well kiss them goodbye. Also, deploying your radar to search for targets is like turning on a flashlight in the dark, and will immediately give out your location.to shoot down a plane is a collective work of a holistic system of intellegence, radar detection, radar guidance, command,controll, BVRAAM and electronic warfare, vietcon has none of those subsystems``but only few poorly maintained Su-27/30s``if Vietnam dont know where the ennemies are how are you going to shoot them down?


Vietnam : China's economy will surely collapse coz we controlling 80% of CHina shipping passing by Vn's EEZ, Yakhont can fly at 5m above the sea face, can your radar detect her ??if not, your war ship have No chance to survive .

Truth: Vietnam entire military is an obsolete dinosaur unfit for modern warfare. On top of that, Vietnam "navy" is little more than a few coastal patrol boats. China Fleet itself is protected by multiple layers and multi-objective of air defences,HQ-16, FL-3000N and CIWS are all capable of engaging sea skimming targets. Also, Vietnam still need to aquire target first,which will be difficult with ground radar because of earth's shape. you radars can be expected to be jammed in a war. Without satellite, UAV or AWACS to provide that target data, you are basically blind. Without mid-way guidance, there is nothing to provide updates to target data which severely limits missile range.In addition, sea skimming targets have been the focus of fleet air defences for decades, so it's nothing new. We have operated Moskit missiles, with similar capabilities to Yakhont, for over 10 years. It's not difficult for us to counter.


Vietnam : Su-30MK2 and maximum combat radius is 3,000 km , your Oil tanker aircraft have no way to run. We can modify the S-300.During Vn war, B-52 was out of SAM's range, but we could modify the SAM and then shot dow B-52.

Truth: there is no single jet fighter has a combat radius over 3000KM, unless assisted by alians`and the funny part is that Vietnam dont even know the difference between combat radius and ferry range (3000km is ferry range).and Vietnam are talking about modify a 100+km range missile to over 800+km, can vietnam even make a reliable assault rifle? let alone modifying a missile defence system which is way out of you country's technological capability```it took US 15 years to upgrade SM missile to SM-6 which has over 200KM ， backward vietnam can do better than that? and during vn war, the russians and chinese helped you to modify SAMs not vietcons.


Vietnam : if CHina Nuke VN, we will make Nuke and send back to CHina to destroy your 2rd economy, don't forget we have the right in enrich uranium, and we're USSR allies aslo. it's not hard for us to make .

Truth: The US, Russia and France participation Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty as well as NPT . Even U.S. allies South Korea and Japan can not acquire nuclear weapons, Vietnam thinking about getting nuclear weapons from anywhere.


Vietnam : China's inflation reached 5%, China's economy will collapse.

Truth: Vietnam's inflation reached 20%, even we point out the bad inflation, they would put out their great Vietnamese theory of economics that since their economy is small, 20% is better than China's 5%.

There are many stupid conversations in Vietnam, but I have forgotten, They always repeat these stupid conversations, waste of valuable time many Chinese members, from May to August, have not stopped. Vietnam's membership is stupid, shameless, will only create false accounts, false evidence, Big mouth, no basic common sense. perhaps because of the failure of education in Vietnam, Perhaps is the Orange medicinal preparation pollution influence.

 

[gambit]

Cuba is doing fine, they're a great country and only USA doesn't like them. They have full diplomatic relationships with almost all Asian and European countries.

Cuba is nothing more than another Puerto Rico the US have not bothered to take over. We leave the Castros alone just for kicks.

 

[homing28]

Vietnamese police detain protesters








21-08-2011






Vietnamese police have detained anti-China protesters who defied a government order to stop an unprecedented series of weekly gatherings over disputed territory in the South China Sea.
The move follows warnings that Hanoi would no longer tolerate the weekly demonstrations that have taken place for three months.



The rally was the 11th since early June to protest against Chinese actions in the South China Sea, the scene of long-standing tensions between the neighbouring countries over rival territorial claims.



Two protests in July were forcibly dispersed by police after talks between Hanoi and Beijing, but subsequent rallies were allowed to go ahead until authorities in the Vietnamese capital on Thursday issued a stop order.



Overtly political demonstrations are rare in Vietnam but analysts said the gatherings initially served Hanoi's purpose in expressing displeasure with Beijing.

 

[akittya]

Just because Pham Van Dong is the Prime Minister of both gov, so Pham Van Dong in 1958's words are Pham Van Dong in 1977's words? No one will be agree with that argument
Pham Van Dong in 1958 and 1977 are in 2 different places because North Vietnam and today Vietnam is are totally different.
Did Pham Van Dong in 1977 agree with your "claim"? No. So today Vietnam don't have anything with your "claim"

As a Vietnamese, this is a mistake which cant be forgive , can not be considered unintentional, can only be regarded as deliberately to mislead other members, it shows you how despicable.

The establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Vietnam only in 1950 . If the Vietnamese 1958 government and 1977 government is different, do you think now is not establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Vietnam?. obviously you are deliberately make a wrong understanding ,Your government clearly understand this, so never dare to say it like you。this is why you government must explain for these note and statment ,why must assume rsponsibility for this note and statement .you are more dirty than your government.


the people.

 

[Rechoice]

As a Vietnamese, this is a mistake which cant be forgive , can not be considered unintentional, can only be regarded as deliberately to mislead other members, it shows you how despicable.

The establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Vietnam only in 1950 . If the Vietnamese 1958 government and 1977 government is different, do you think now is not establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Vietnam?. obviously you are deliberately make a wrong understanding ,Your government clearly understand this, so never dare to say it like you。this is why you government must explain for these note and statment ,why must assume rsponsibility for this note and statement .you are more dirty than your government.


the people.

Don't show any more such liars.
Geneva Agreement 1954, North Vietnam and China signed in. Vietnam was divided.
The Vietnam's Governments from 1954 - 1958 until 1976 are two. China Gov didn't know this fact ?

 

[below_freezing]

Cuba is nothing more than another Puerto Rico the US have not bothered to take over. We leave the Castros alone just for kicks.

Cuba is a great and independent nation that is unfortunately helpless against the US military machine. However that is about to change once China trades arms for oil in Cuba. DF-21 coming to Miami near you!

 

[robinhood]

Control 80 % CHina shipping route? Who are you? A wanwan or a Viet?

Let check again our EEZ (green line),

se can see our EEZ cover till Spratly island, if your cargo and oil ships can not jump over those island,so they must pass by our EEZ, and if troble happend, we just consider your cargo and oil ship hiding Club K-a Container Missile System , and stop your ship, China -Hongkong will not have enough oil to live

and we can ambush in Malacca straight also, ask Mr Ying id your have more questions

The program is hosted by Lu Jian and attended by Yin Zhuo, CCTV contributing commentator and military expert with rear admiral rank .............

On the potential application of the Type 636 attack submarines and Su-30 MK2V multirole fighters in the SCS, Yin replies that the Type 636 attack submarines can be a major threat in the SCS. Yin adds that Vietnam has designated a submarine ambush zone in the Straits of Malacca for its tactical training. Yin says that the Straits of Malacca is a shipping lifeline of many%2

 

[Nestea]

No, you are not forbidden to speak because PDF is your ally's house
The fact is you haven't broken any of my points, but I have broken many of your points
Such as" http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ns-between-china-vietnam-100.html#post2015979

You said the words are a joke, I did not get ban speech because PDF is created by China's allies? You are insulting the PDF manager the Personality! According to your ridiculous logic, Because PDF is by China's ally creation, Therefore all China, even if the Troll, also impossible to be forbidden to speak! the fact is that so?
Your argument? Logical not normal Vietnam,, Is similar to talks with the lunatic:” Whether you do have the Mental problems?” The lunatic will acknowledge that he is be crazy?