Hamza Abbassi backtracks from statement in support of Ahmadis after causing uproar

[Taimoor Khan]

There are two things:

1) Qadyanis as non Muslims: Done and dusted, people need to move on both Qadyanis and Muslims. Overwhelming majority of Pakistanis both Sunnis and Shia take them as non Muslims.
2) The rights of Qadyanis: This is the most important issue. They are the citizens of Pakistan by birth, and its the state responsibility to protect their rights. No individual or group should create law and order situation in their vested interests to harm the community and if such situation arise, state needs to ensure that justice is severed and is seen dispatched as well.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

It's about Islam not Mullah.

It's about Islam as a whole, and how illiterates have hijacked it for their personal gain. Name me one Jamaat that doesn't say "we'll bring a true Islam" but only if they get elected to the Prime Minister's seat.

We would see that. I have been hearing about change in law but nothing has changed and yes change that is that laws will become more Islamic.

And yet every Mullah is Fatwa-happy on the silliest of issues, but when it comes to preserving life 'honor-killings' are a yes-yes. Regardless of evidence.

The issue isn't that Ahmadis are or aren't Muslim, it's the stance of the State to force everyone to deny it. What was the necessity to declare it openly in a "Constitution"? What's next? Only Catholic Christians are "True Christians"?

2) The rights of Qadyanis: This is the most important issue. They are the citizens of Pakistan by birth, and its the state responsibility to protect their rights. No individual or group should create law and order situation in their vested interests to harm the community and if such situation arise, state needs to ensure that justice is severed and is seen dispatched as well.

Since when has the State protected the rights of any minority? Other than the Politician class of minorities.

 

[hussain0216]

Any sympathy i had for Ahmedis finished when I learnt how many Ahmedis joined the Israeli IDF

 

[VCheng]

The issue isn't that Ahmadis are or aren't Muslim, it's the stance of the State to force everyone to deny it.

Bingo!

There is a basic contradiction in declaring a particular set of religious beliefs as being any less or different than any other set of religious beliefs and then claiming to offer equality under the law.

This is simply not a matter for the State to get involved in. It must be equal for all its citizens.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Any sympathy i had for Ahmedis finished when I learnt how many Ahmedis joined the Israeli IDF

Nice to know you too categorize an entire group based on the actions of a few.... Remind you of some people?

 

[Zarvan]

It's about Islam as a whole, and how illiterates have hijacked it for their personal gain. Name me one Jamaat that doesn't say "we'll bring a true Islam" but only if they get elected to the Prime Minister's seat.



And yet every Mullah is Fatwa-happy on the silliest of issues, but when it comes to preserving life 'honor-killings' are a yes-yes. Regardless of evidence.

The issue isn't that Ahmadis are or aren't Muslim, it's the stance of the State to force everyone to deny it. What was the necessity to declare it openly in a "Constitution"? What's next? Only Catholic Christians are "True Christians"?



Since when has the State protected the rights of any minority? Other than the Politician class of minorities.

Honor Killing is bad thing but running away from home is also not allowed. It was and is neccassry to openly know who is Muslim and who is not. In implementing Islamic Laws you have to know it.

 

[hussain0216]

Nice to know you too categorize an entire group based on the actions of a few.... Remind you of some people?

i see it more as the ahmedis going back to their roots that the British colonial created for them

to be a fitna amongst muslims

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Honor Killing is bad thing but running away from home is also not allowed. It was and is neccassry to openly know who is Muslim and who is not. In implementing Islamic Laws you have to know it.

And yet to this day the CII is more interested in clarifying what is a "light beating" for a husband to administer to his wife, than cleaning up the unpar Molvis holding the nation hostage.

And how many molvis know Islamic Law? Every choti koni wali masjid ka maulana is busy shooting fatwas against their wives for not using enough salt in their Chicken korma.

to be a fitna amongst muslims

The law itself has created more fitna now than the ahmadis themselves.

 

[Zarvan]

And yet to this day the CII is more interested in clarifying what is a "light beating" for a husband to administer to his wife, than cleaning up the unpar Molvis holding the nation hostage.

And how many molvis know Islamic Law? Every choti koni wali masjid ka maulana is busy shooting fatwas against their wives for not using enough salt in their Chicken korma.



The law itself has created more fitna now than the ahmadis themselves.

Many of them knows Islamic Law as for Light Beating if you want I am ready to debate even that. As for Islam they have to be implemented and they will be

 

[war&peace]

It's about Islam not Mullah. Secondly Qadyanis are non Muslims and were rightly declared non Muslims in constitution as non Muslims. Now as they are declared minorities it's state responsibility to make sure they get rights which minorities get. As for Hamza Ali Abbasi raising this issue not only it was stupid but also dangerous and would have only increased trouble for Ahmedis. I know some liberals get heart attack from Mullahs but Islamic Laws sooner or later would be implemented whether liberals like it or not.

Agreed and it was done not just mullahs as idiots like to put it, but was supported by ZAB, a liberal, and his party perhaps the only popularly elected parliament of Pakistan till this date. They were liberals but they represeted the feelings of the majority of Pakistanis...and not the foreign masters. Furthermore, there is a consensus among all the islamic scholars across the globe, regardless of the sect/school of thought, that qadianis are non-Muslims. And I have not found any eminent scholar who favours persecution of Qadiyanis. They as citizens of Pakistan have all the rights and actually they have been fairing quite good than an average Pakistani as they were supported by British raj and given preference in civil service over Muslims. These persecution reports are normally massively exaggerated and sometimes even totally fabricated. There is a general persecution of the weak and the poor in our society and that needs to be addressed on priority and establishment of the rule of law.

And yet to this day the CII is more interested in clarifying what is a "light beating" for a husband to administer to his wife, than cleaning up the unpar Molvis holding the nation hostage.

And how many molvis know Islamic Law? Every choti koni wali masjid ka maulana is busy shooting fatwas against their wives for not using enough salt in their Chicken korma.



The law itself has created more fitna now than the ahmadis themselves.

Excellent question...very few I must say

 

[airmarshal]

May others take courage from him to speak on difficult topics


So if they are non muslims we cant even discuss the persecution they face?

How is raising issues of a minority dangerous?

Dhamki hmm but its the other way around mate people are now talking about issues and i can gaurantee you will see change in many laws in ypur life time whoch you wont appreciate

They are non-Muslims. But they should not be persecuted. The state and its citizen must unite to ensure the rights given by law to them are not taken away from them.

The first step is to get rid of hateful mullahs and the literature they publish. In Pakistan the only freedom right now is hate speech based on religion and everyone can make a hate speech. This has to stop.

 

[Mrc]

I agree. issue should be settled. non muslim citizens need to have full rights as per dictated by islam it self. qadiyanis are non muslims and they deserve full rights like other minorities....

 

[Musafir117]

Well Kalma Shahada is good but if you are denying basic tenant of Islam that is HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is the last PROPHET of ALLAH than that person is not a Muslim. Also we are not playing GOD in fact ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW have clearly told what Muslims have to believe in to be a Muslim. If a person breaks or denies or changes any of it than he is not a Muslim.

Here you taking His Law on your hand to make a new law new religion which satisfied your personal religious ego.
If some recite Kakima Shahada and fully implement or try to strict on Five basic of Islam he is Muslim. Tell me a difference what's is the difference between an Ahmdi and a sarkari Muslim regarding with Kakima Shahada and basic pillar of Islam?

 

[war&peace]

The first step is to get rid of hateful mullahs and the literature they publish. In Pakistan the only freedom right now is hate speech based on religion and everyone can make a hate speech. This has to stop.

The billion dollar question is who will bell the cat?

 

[Zibago]

Nice to know you too categorize an entire group based on the actions of a few.... Remind you of some people?

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