Hameed Gul on Wagah blast.

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

 

[Hyperion]

Mr. Gul is a pissant and a hardcore Talibitches supporter. He has done more harm to Pakistan than India did in all the wars together.

 

[k_arura]

Just a general anecdotal observation. I find some changes in the Pakistani mindset - typified by #2 on this thread - whether temporary or contrived (Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or just the need of the hour, I am not sure. Also it seems its mostly the moderators. Have other non-Pakistanis noted it too?

The change seems to be a recognition of where Pakistani society may have astrayed/gone wrong/....

 

[Not Sure]

Just a general anecdotal observation. I find some changes in the Pakistani mindset - typified by #2 on this thread - whether temporary or contrived (Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or just the need of the hour, I am not sure. Also it seems its mostly the moderators. Have other non-Pakistanis noted it too?

The change seems to be a recognition of where Pakistani society may have astrayed/gone wrong/....

Man... you sure can teach how to take a dig

 

[saurav]

Some people are still stuck in 1988. This guy used to be the state guest of Talibunnies in Afghanistan. No wonder he will tell anything to save them. Amusingly when they themselves are owning up this blast, this guy still claims otherwise.

 

[Judge]

The blunt truth, as long as people like Hamid Gul, Zaid Hamid, Hafiz Saeed and the assorted Mullah's hold sway and popular support in Pakistan, India does not need to worry about Pakistan at all.

They are the biggest assets to India than anything else. They will ensure that Pakistani society heads in a single direction. A direction that suits India just fine.

 

[Secur]

Mr. Gul is a pissant and a hardcore Talibitches supporter. He has done more harm to Pakistan than India did in all the wars together.

Of course these aren't Taliban but foreign agents, defense mechanism again at play! Hameed Gul is directly responsible for Afghan Jihad which in turn, is responsible for events of present times. The whole chain-reaction of extremism and subsequent terrorism in society and training Jihadis on Pakistanis soil, was started in the 80's by the very same man, who now have the audacity to play blame game and hold third party responsible for their own actions.

 

[Bong]

In which place this blast occurred, any map?

 

[kadamba-warrior]

The blunt truth, as long as people like Hamid Gul, Zaid Hamid, Hafiz Saeed and the assorted Mullah's hold sway and popular support in Pakistan, India does not need to worry about Pakistan at all.

They are the biggest assets to India than anything else. They will ensure that Pakistani society heads in a single direction. A direction that suits India just fine.

I would like to argue that those people are common enemies of the entire subcontinent rather than being assets of any country. And these are the people, which India has no control on.

The last thing the general populace in the subcontinent (including Pakistan) want is another 'Mumbai' in India - which will force Modi to retaliate somehow, even if reluctantly. Things will go down hill very quickly from there!

 

[A.Rafay]

The guy is a total nutcase and terrorist supporter.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Of course these aren't Taliban but foreign agents, defense mechanism again at play! Hameed Gul is directly responsible for Afghan Jihad which in turn, is responsible for events of present times. The whole chain-reaction of extremism and subsequent terrorism in society and training Jihadis on Pakistanis soil, was started in the 80's by the very same man, who now have the audacity to play blame game and hold third party responsible for their own actions.

Mr. Gul is a pissant and a hardcore Talibitches supporter. He has done more harm to Pakistan than India did in all the wars together.

Yar guys come on! You guys are acting like an indians right now!
If indians say anything wrong about this guy then it's natural coz he lead ISI and caused problems for indians. But it's really disturbing to see such words coming out of my own country men, this guy is most patriotic guy and his services for the nation is countless.

 

[Secur]

Yar guys come on! You guys are acting like an indians right now!

Why? Because we dont like him? Or because we dont agree with Govt of Pakistan false official version, that USSR was coming to get us? Or because we dont consider Afghan Jihad as beneficial to the country? He has harmed the country, more than any Indian could ever imagine and dare to do. The benefits of his services, to the country, are being reaped by this nation, today, in the form of extremism and endless terrorism in the society. He brought these people, who are waging Jihad in the country now, have a look around you, all these prominent commanders-leaders-footsoldiers have a background from the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. He's the man who helped built the whole Jihadi infrastructure in this country from money to weapons, which the military has to take care of, now. He brought those Uzbeks, Tajiks,Chechens, Arabs and Afghans which you have to fight today- you probably never ever did wonder where they came from and when. He's the one who lied to the nation, fed them propaganda about Reds wanting to invade Pakistan next, in the 80's, even though there was overwhelming evidence to the contrary. He's the lead man for the indoctrination of Pakistanis and the Wahhabi mentality responsible for suicide bombers and terrorists today. And he's the one responsible for guns and drug in the society. You want me to praise him just because Indians wont? Never!

 

[Judge]

I would like to argue that those people are common enemies of the entire subcontinent rather than being assets of any country. And these are the people, which India has no control on.

You took my post literally when I said 'agents'.
Ofcourse they take no funding from us, their actions are beyond our control.
However, you need to realize that the days of physically fighting Pakistan are over. With nuclear weapons, Indian ability to act against Pakistan conventionally is vastly reduced.

However, where one door closes, two doors open. An open mind is all that is required.
Pakistan is buying into the Islamist ideology hook, line and sinker. They are (over a period of time) falling for the Arab sunni variant. Why not think of it as an opportunity than a threat?

The last thing the general populace in the subcontinent (including Pakistan) want is another 'Mumbai' in India - which will force Modi to retaliate somehow, even if reluctantly. Things will go down hill very quickly from there!

Yes, things will go downhill but we will never quite be able to go to a full scale war on account of nuclear weapons.

Now the days of successfully being able to run a geography & ethnicity based insurgency is over. It just does not work. As a State, Pakistan has enough resources to crush it(just like India crushed the many other foreign funded insurgencies). So why not support 'something' that the entire Nation of Pakistan willingly buys and creates problems for itself.

Every single time there is a border skirmish, the idea of the 'evil Indians' takes deeper root in Pakistanis, the more they run towards these Hamid Guls and their Islamist leaders in these times for the feeling of safety and familiarity, the more they feel the answer to their problems is 'real Islam'. And invariably, the inspiration for real Islam will come from 'Islamists'.

That means, when they are blaming India, they are not finding the root cause of the ills of their society and their military. That means they will not improve, not change. The society will continue its fall downwards.

If we stop firing and there is relative peace, Pakistanis - like @Secur , @Hyperion and many others will glean the truth and try to change their society. This bodes badly for us.

IIRC, an American general said that he fears a Chinese general who knows his troops are ill trained for a real war far more than he fears the Chinese generals who believe they are good and will charge at them.

The same philosophy is applicable here. As long as we continue to give them the 'big bad Indians/Hindus/Jews/Martians', they will continue happily in a constantly deteriorating stasis. If we don't, there is a possibility of change. And their current direction suits us just fine.

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How is that for a counter-current analysis/thought @Bang Galore and @SarthakGanguly @Secur ?

 

[RazPaK]

Why? Because we dont like him? Or because we dont agree with Govt of Pakistan false officail version, that USSR was coming to get us? Or because we dont consider Afghan Jihad as beneficial to the country? He has harmed the country, more than any Indian could ever imagine and dare to do. The benefits of his services, to the country, are being reaped by this nation, today, in the form of extremism and endless terrorism in the society. He brought these people, who are waging Jihad in the country now, have a look around you, all these prominent commanders-leaders-footsoldiers have a background from the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. He's the man who helped built the whole Jihadi infrastructure in this country from money to weapons, which the military has to take care of, now. He brought those Uzbeks, Tajiks,Chechens, Arabs and Afghans which you have to fight today- you probably never ever did wonder where they came from and when. He's the one who lied to the nation, fed them propaganda about Reds wanting to invade Pakistan next, in the 80's, even though there was overwhelming evidence to the contrary. He's the lead man for the indoctrination of Pakistanis and the Wahhabi mentality responsible for suicide bombers and terrorists today. And he's the one responsible for guns and drug in the society. You want me to praise him just because Indians wont? Never!

Stop crying. Afghan Taliban was a legitimate and home grown movement. Gul was dealt the cards and had to play his hand. Why don't you cry about the United States and CIA's role in the whole Afghan debacle? Because you are biased and If you think for one second that the majority of Pakistanis are going to buy your revisionist outlook, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Hamid Gul is more patriotic than all of you secular libtards that are all sipping on that hindu kool-aid.

 

[Secur]

Stop crying. Afghan Taliban was a legitimate and home grown movement. Gul was dealt the cards and had to play his hand. Why don't you cry about the United States and CIA's role in the whole Afghan debacle? Because you are biased and If you think for one second that the majority of Pakistanis are going to buy your revisionist outlook, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Hamid Gul is more patriotic than all of you secular libtards that are all sipping on that hindu kool-aid.

Crying? Present me with arguments, not your beliefs about the commander of the faithful and his supporting cast members or ad hominems. The nation's in mourning because of this man and his past actions! The same Jihadis which he once trained, have now gone haywire, just as they once went during his tenure as ISI chief, after the Soviet withdrawal, after which the Mujahids fought each other for wealth and power in Afghan, the reason for Peshawar accords which were a failure. Taliban terrorists were fine in Afghanistan, they aren't so fine in Pakistan are they? How come is a Jihad in Afghanistan good, but bad when done in Pakistan? Afghan Taliban recently did condemn the "shahadat" of Hakeemullah Mehsud when he was sent to hell, in a drone attack on 1 Nov-2013, it should make their loyalties more than clear to their supporters. All Moulvi-Mullahs-Qari-Muftis who were once trained under his orders, are now wrecking havoc in the country. All the Tajiks-Chechens-Afghans-Arabs-Afghans are here too, he really thinks he can fool the nation by speaking the regular Jihadi twisted content of America/India/Israel involvement when the TTP has taken responsibility yesterday?

P.S Ironically, more and more Pakistanis are convinced that the commander of the faithful's past policies and actions are responsible for current events, just open the T.V. and watch a debate on these topics today. Not everybody agree with same Zia administration propaganda of Soviets trying to reach warm waters, when he was busy extracting economic benefits from the same enemy, they were fighting under the guise of religion. You should remember that time for PTV exclusivity is long gone, there is no one official version of truth accepted as divine by the public today.

I will take a wise enemy over these foolish friends anyday. Remember, secular or liberals or Hindus aren't blowing, its the hyper-religious segment, one known as God's viceroy and religious psycopaths that consider its holy duty to set itself off, everywhere it gets a chance. If you like him so much, why dont you come here and enjoy a Pakistan that he and his associates, have built?