Hamas to rely on guerrilla tactics against Israel

[SurvivoR]

I think you forget or don't know what happened in 1947 and 1967. Several Arab states each much bigger than Israel combined to throw the Jews to the sea. What happened then? Why would it be any different now?

As one Pakistani commentator put it, zero + zero + zero still equal zero!

Half hearted efforts result in failur. If you remember even at that time it was not an honest effort as some of them backed off.

They need not to do much but only stop investment in US and you will see what happens.

 

[devgupt]

If Hamas could have negotiated with Sharon and Olmert it would have got a nation for Palestinians. Now it only brings misery to them. When would they realise the only solution lies in survival of Jewish and Palestinian nations. Destruction of Israel is a chimera which will perpetually keep Palestinians miserable.

 

[SurvivoR]

I think Israel is the one to be blamed.. I dont understand how the Isareli people could sleep knowing that millions of people are living in refuge camp across the border and they are happily living even within the home, built by Palestinians.. I cant do that...
I dont blame Hitlers.....

There is difference between Jews and Zionists. Few years back a good number of Israeli Armymen refused to serve because they found killing of innocent Palestinian childern and armless people unjust.

Zinoists are the real monsters who are spreading terror acorss the world for their dir ty policies.

 

[SurvivoR]

If Hamas could have negotiated with Sharon and Olmert it would have got a nation for Palestinians. Now it only brings misery to them. When would they realise the only solution lies in survival of Jewish and Palestinian nations. Destruction of Israel is a chimera which will perpetually keep Palestinians miserable.

It is not what Hamas wants. A handful armless Palestinians cant destroy powerful nuclear Israel who is backed by WORLD POWER US with all its resources.

The question you should be asking Israel why it dosnt not want to let innocent armless people to live in peace.
I wonder you Indians on forum are supporting killing of innocent Palestinian children, women and men who are not armed.

 

[Vinod2070]

Half hearted efforts result in failur. If you remember even at that time it was not an honest effort as some of them backed off.

They need not to do much but only stop investment in US and you will see what happens.

You are right about it being a half hearted (and grossly incompetent) effort in 1947. The countries did not commit all their forces to the war and were beaten comprehensively by a newly born country of 600,000 refugees most of whom had just arrived to the country after prolonged suffering in concentration camps only to be attacked to be thrown into the sea.

I think in 1967 the Arab countries tried their best and still failed.

The gap has only increased since then. The Arabs simply can't take on Israel, irrespective of how many of them combine.

Remember it was the USA troops that were called to protect Saudi Arabia and your holy places from Saddam in the Gulf war-1. They could not trust a Muslim army to protect the holiest shrines of Islam!

In the current situation, Israel is unstoppable. The Arabs depend much more on the West than vice-versa. They can't produce even a tiny fraction of what they consume. They desperately need the money coming from oil exports. They can do precious little without it. They can't produce their food, their cars, their phones, all their luxuries come from outside.

 

[Vinod2070]

It is not what Hamas wants. A handful armless Palestinians cant destroy powerful nuclear Israel who is backed by WORLD POWER US with all its resources.

The question you should be asking Israel why it dosnt not want to let innocent armless people to live in peace.
I wonder you Indians on forum are supporting killing of innocent Palestinian children, women and men who are not armed.

That is an incorrect characterization. I think most Indians condemn the current action by Israel as disproportionate use of force.

The only difference is we don't support the Hamas either. We think they are a terror organization that is inviting misery for the people of Gaza because of it's misplaces rocket firings, the same as the Hizbollah did for Lebanon.

 

[Imran Khan]

Remember it was the USA troops that were called to protect Saudi Arabia and your holy places from Saddam in the Gulf war-1. They could not trust a Muslim army to protect the holiest shrines of Islam!

a total BS who say Saddam will attack mecca and Medina .If you have little knowledge mecca and Medina are very very far from Iraq border.Saddam don't have ever power to hit that place and even Saddam have power impossible he hit that city's.USA never protect Saudi or mecca but OIL.please do some homework USA or any other nation is not allowed to enter Mecca Medina but only Muslims.i stay that place 12 years.who you forget all Muslim troops which go Saudi for golf war.and please one example when USA enter Saudi for defense of our holy city's?.its totally a joke defenders of mecca from USA lol.

 

[SurvivoR]

You are right about it being a half hearted (and grossly incompetent) effort in 1947. The countries did not commit all their forces to the war and were beaten comprehensively by a newly born country of 600,000 refugees most of whom had just arrived to the country after prolonged suffering in concentration camps only to be attacked to be thrown into the sea.

I think in 1967 the Arab countries tried their best and still failed.

The gap has only increased since then. The Arabs simply can't take on Israel, irrespective of how many of them combine.

Remember it was the USA troops that were called to protect Saudi Arabia and your holy places from Saddam in the Gulf war-1. They could not trust a Muslim army to protect the holiest shrines of Islam!

In the current situation, Israel is unstoppable. The Arabs depend much more on the West than vice-versa. They can't produce even a tiny fraction of what they consume. They desperately need the money coming from oil exports. They can do precious little without it. They can't produce their food, their cars, their phones, all their luxuries come from outside.

With US at their back Not only Israel but any country cant be defeated with half-hearted efforts.

Gulf War was also a ploy by US to get into Saudi Arabia which it did successfuly.
First backing Sadaam Hussain and arming Iraq against Iran and then threaten Saudi Arabia that Saddam was going to Invade it.

It was not matter of trusting Muslims armies or not rather it was and it is matter of attacks on Muslim Holy Shrines in Saudi Arabi by non-other than US using Israel.
Unfortunate Saudis are banking on a wrong horse which at the end will attack it.

Oil is lifeline for economy of every country and it can buy Arab countries anything and also give them power. If they cant produce anything it is their laziness otherwise they can overcome it also if they want.
Only if they stop huge investment which they are making and already done in many western countries and US, they can put more pressure on Israel by pressurizing US.

 

[SurvivoR]

That is an incorrect characterization. I think most Indians condemn the current action by Israel as disproportionate use of force.

The only difference is we don't support the Hamas either. We think they are a terror organization that is inviting misery for the people of Gaza because of it's misplaces rocket firings, the same as the Hizbollah did for Lebanon.

Supporting Israel is personal matter of Indians and they have right to do so as Israel is one of the biggest arm suppliers to India. But justifying killing of innocent childern and innocent men and women saying Hamas is the reason is also a big Hypocracy on part of Indians here because this time it was not HAMAS nor HAMAS did anything. Israel showerd bombs and using cluster bombs on armless Palestinian Refugees and childern.

The institute which was bombed were having under-training police officers of Civilian Palestinian government NOT HAMAS.

 

[Vinod2070]

Supporting Israel is personal matter of Indians and they have right to do so as Israel is one of the biggest arm suppliers to India. But justifying killing of innocent childern and innocent men and women saying Hamas is the reason is also a big Hypocracy on part of Indians here because this time it was not HAMAS nor HAMAS did anything. Israel showerd bombs and using cluster bombs on armless Palestinian Refugees and childern.

The institute which was bombed were having under-training police officers of Civilian Palestinian government NOT HAMAS.

I am yet to see a post approving the killing of innocents by an Indian here. Condemnation of Hama's actions too along with Israel's does not amount to this by any means.

 

[jamal18]

30 israeli troops injured and 2 were kidnapped by HAMAS

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/19197-israel-sends-ground-troops-into-gaza.html

'Kidnapped' ?

I think you mean captured.

Notice how the zionist press use negative terms when the muslims captire an israeli soldier; 'kidnapped', 'abducted' etc.

 

[Vinod2070]

With US at their back Not only Israel but any country cant be defeated with half-hearted efforts.

Gulf War was also a ploy by US to get into Saudi Arabia which it did successfuly.
First backing Sadaam Hussain and arming Iraq against Iran and then threaten Saudi Arabia that Saddam was going to Invade it.

It was not matter of trusting Muslims armies or not rather it was and it is matter of attacks on Muslim Holy Shrines in Saudi Arabi by non-other than US using Israel.
Unfortunate Saudis are banking on a wrong horse which at the end will attack it.

Oil is lifeline for economy of every country and it can buy Arab countries anything and also give them power. If they cant produce anything it is their laziness otherwise they can overcome it also if they want.
Only if they stop huge investment which they are making and already done in many western countries and US, they can put more pressure on Israel by pressurizing US.

There are far too many ifs and buts here. Its like saying if my Aunt were a man, I would call her a uncle.

I think the USA did employ some trickery to get Saudis to host their army but the fact remains that the Saudis invited them instead of any Muslim army to protect them.

The current situation suits the Arab rulers fine. They have their comforts and cushy life and they have to do little to earn it.

I see a better chance for the rest of the world to overcome the dependence on oil than for the Arabs to overcome their laziness. The day that happens, you will see the Arabs back to riding their Camels in the not too distant future.

 

[Vinod2070]

a total BS who say Saddam will attack mecca and Medina .If you have little knowledge mecca and Medina are very very far from Iraq border.Saddam don't have ever power to hit that place and even Saddam have power impossible he hit that city's.USA never protect Saudi or mecca but OIL.please do some homework USA or any other nation is not allowed to enter Mecca Medina but only Muslims.i stay that place 12 years.who you forget all Muslim troops which go Saudi for golf war.and please one example when USA enter Saudi for defense of our holy city's?.its totally a joke defenders of mecca from USA lol.

You need to read the post again. Why did Saudi invite the USA army in the first gulf war if not to protect itself!

 

[Imran Khan]

You need to read the post again. Why did Saudi invite the USA army in the first gulf war if not to protect itself!

you have read war strategy its USA who want protect them with force.i see squd site hited by Saddam its relay a nothing but junk.Arabs until today think USA leave then alone they more Happy.USA just come for protect oil and Israel.

 

[Silverfalcon]

May be you are right.

But how does doing this benefit the Palestinians in any way? It only helps the Israelis paint the Palestinians as terrorists.

In 6 months Hamas rockets fired towards Israelis have killed 11 Israeli soldiers


WHILE in only 72 HOURS as apposed to 6 MONTHS Israel has killed 400+ people, and injured 1500+ , most them include citizens. Not to forget the small children.

Whose the terrorist ?