Hamas miscalculation?

[One_Nation]

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I don't know what to make of a bunch of American "waking up to the truth". I don't see any positive in this at all.

We are not supposed to be happy that they discovered a 20+ year old truth. How long will it take for them to discover today's truth? Should Muslims wait another 20 years for American public to discover today's truth?

Muslims should stop looking up to western people for a solution to their problems. These same people can be made to believe in the opposite through another letter.

 

[Foinikas]

I am not sure how much you know about the contemporary Muslim world, but the Taliban were a CIA and ISI (Pakistani Military Intelligence) creation and an extension of the CIA "Jihad" against the USSR in 80's. This whole radicalization is a by-product of the Zionist cancer in Palestine circa 1948 and subsequent Neo-colonization of the Arab word. US and Zionists even supported Hamas in the early days as a counter to Arafat's "Fatah". The name "alCIAda" has a true ring. Ever wonder why so-called ISIS never attacked the Zionist scum or US targets? I can post hundreds of photos of these extremist groups being treated in Zionist hospitals, hopefully you are smart and objective enough to get the drift. Reagan and Bill Casey (CIA chief) feted the Taliban forerunners in the White House as equal to the US "founding fathers".

Eeeeverything is an "American invention",there is absolutely no extremism in the Muslim world

 

[Darius77]

Eeeeverything is an "American invention",there is absolutely no extremism in the Muslim world

It is bit more grown up issue for you to understand.

 

[Canefields]

There are miscalculation in every end. Israel used to capture 4 countries in 6 days and here they are fighting for 45x15 km piece of land for 39 days. Gaza was like jail and practically sealed from all side, there is a limit Hamas fighters can fight, how much ammo they can have in Gaza? didn't their stockpiles deplete? They are fighting against Israel with full backing of US, UK, Canada, France, Australia and many more. Israel is getting loads of weapons while Gaza can't have water and medicines. 39 Days is no joke. No body can expect that this will go that long. No body even expect countries to remain silence that long. No body expect ........... list will go on. Miscalculations are everywhere. Hamas has already done things way beyond their weight. 39 Days is no joke.

39 days to demolish Gaza is also no joke. That is what the Israeli military effectively did. They have unleashed hell on Gaza. This was no miscalculation by Hamas. It was pure stupidity. Nobody is blind to the atrocities committed by Israel over the years. The world is likewise not blind to Israeli refusal to commit to the two State solution. Israel clearly wants to either genocide the Palestinians or forcibly move them out and create an Israeli state whilst wiping out any record of the Palestinian existence. That is an injustice. Hamas on the other hand simply accelerated the Israeli objective

 

[RescueRanger]

Dude...don't tell me the Taliban are moderate Muslims. "No extremist Muslims out there"? Come on...

Yeah the Taliban and all extremists can go jump off a big cliff.

We all know extremism is a problem in insular societies. It doesn’t matter if they are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, white, black, green or purple.

sadly some elect to defend the indefensible.

 

[Silicon0000]

Yeah, that is a possibility too. Not visible right now, but might evolve as the time passes.

My only worry is massive toll on the civilians. They were dying earlier too, but this is catastrophic level.

We can just hope its not the start, but what it look like is that what ever happened till now is just a trailer, a lot more to come.

39 days to demolish Gaza is also no joke. That is what the Israeli military effectively did. They have unleashed hell on Gaza. This was no miscalculation by Hamas. It was pure stupidity. Nobody is blind to the atrocities committed by Israel over the years. The world is likewise not blind to Israeli refusal to commit to the two State solution. Israel clearly wants to either genocide the Palestinians or forcibly move them out and create an Israeli state whilst wiping out any record of the Palestinian existence. That is an injustice. Hamas on the other hand simply accelerated the Israeli objective

Well to me what you said is right just replace the word stupidity with suicide.

 

[Silicon0000]

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Irrespective, Palestine has no power and Israel has ruined it in its lavish high arrogance.
This, the Last Complete Book warned about.

Quran said, Israel, you shall commit exceedingly high corruption with lavish arrogance and you shall be destroyed.

1st was fullfilled when Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar attacked and ruined Jerusalem in 597 BC.

This was also warned in Jeremiah 5:15-18. Quoted at the end.

2nd corruption is ongoing from 1948 and crossed all bounds of arrogance in 2023. This promise yet to commence.

Al-isra 17:4-8, And 104
وَقَضَيْنَا إِلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ فِي الْكِتَابِ لَتُفْسِدُنَّ فِي
الْأَرْضِ مَرَّتَيْنِ وَلَتَعْلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبِيرًا

And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Book: 'You shall do corruption in the earth twice, and you shall ascend exceeding high.
فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ أُولَاهُمَا بَعَثْنَا عَلَيْكُمْ عِبَادًا لَّنَا أُولِي بَأْسٍ شَدِيدٍ فَجَاسُوا خِلَالَ الدِّيَارِ ۚ وَكَانَ وَعْدًا مَّفْعُولًا

So, when the promise of the first of these came to pass, We sent against you servants of Ours, men of great might, and they went through the habitations, and it was a promise performed.

This was also warned in Jeremiah 5:15-18.

People of Israel,” declares the LORD, “I am bringing a distant nation against you— an ancient and enduring nation, a people whose language you do not know, whose speech you do not understand.

Their quivers are like an open grave; all of them are mighty warriors.

They will devour your harvests and food, devour your sons and daughters; they will devour your flocks and herds, devour your vines and fig trees. With the sword they will destroy the fortified cities in which you trust.

Yet, even in those days,” declares the LORD, “I will not destroy you completely. --->> points that isralite will persist for the commencement of the 2nd promise. Al-isra 17:104

واذا جَاءَ وَعْدُ الْآخِرَةِ لِيَسُوءُوا وُجُوهَكُمْ وَلِيَدْخُلُوا الْمَسْجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوهُ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَلِيُتَبِّرُوا مَا عَلَوْا تَتْبِيرًا

When the prophecy of your second transgression will come to pass, sadness will cover your faces. They (your enemies) will enter the the mosque as they did the first time to bring about utter destruction.

Al-isra-17:104
وَقُلْنَا مِن بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُوا الْأَرْضَ فَإِذَا جَاءَ وَعْدُ الْآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا بِكُمْ لَفِيفً
Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promiPalestine.
ear, We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd.

That shall be the END.
A Mix of isralite have been gathered in palestine.

As per prophecies, Dajjal will emerge from Isfahan which is at the heart of Iran and move with 70 thousands Jews. So this could be interpreted as when Dajjal emerge, Iran will be in the hands of Jews. Similarly Dajjal emerge when Muslims retake Turkey (Qustuntuniya/Constantinople/Istanbul) so that also mean before emergence of Dajjal both Turkey and Iran will be in the hand of Jews. What you mentioned could be a reference to after Dajjal time, not current. (Allah Knows Best).

People cheering for Hamas are stupid. No militant group has ever emerged victorious against a first-world country. They sure can do some attacks here and there. But so did Al-Qaeda and ISIS. They all did some attacks against infidels and were cheered by 'some' then they died. Another day, another group. The cycle repeats.

You Forget Taliban

 

[PakistaniandProud]

People cheering for Hamas are stupid. No militant group has ever emerged victorious against a first-world country. They sure can do some attacks here and there. But so did Al-Qaeda and ISIS. They all did some attacks against infidels and were cheered by 'some' then they died. Another day, another group. The cycle repeats.

The Taliban have indeed.

 

[retaxis]

Hamas knows that Iraq and America allowed the home team to outlive and out will the foreign attackers. If Hamas gets some more anti-tank missiles and some serious fire power they can keep being a nuisance in Israel side but they need more support and right now besides Iran no one is really supporting them. China/Russia could easily provide them with the weapons but they don't like to interfere in issues that has nothing to do with them so Hamas can only rely on fellow muslims to help them.

 

[LeGenD]

I am not sure how much you know about the contemporary Muslim world, but the Taliban were a CIA and ISI (Pakistani Military Intelligence) creation and an extension of the CIA "Jihad" against the USSR in 80's. This whole radicalization is a by-product of the Zionist cancer in Palestine circa 1948 and subsequent Neo-colonization of the Arab word. US and Zionists even supported Hamas in the early days as a counter to Arafat's "Fatah". The name "alCIAda" has a true ring. Ever wonder why so-called ISIS never attacked the Zionist scum or US targets? I can post hundreds of photos of these extremist groups being treated in Zionist hospitals, hopefully you are smart and objective enough to get the drift. Reagan and Bill Casey (CIA chief) feted the Taliban forerunners in the White House as equal to the US "founding fathers".

Who Is Responsible for the Taliban?

The roots of the Afghan civil war and the country's subsequent transformation into a safe-haven for the world's most destructive terror network began in the decades prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

List of terrorist incidents linked to the Islamic State - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even if I accept that US and Pakistan made a bad call to resist Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, what was the solution in your view? US and Pakistan are responsible for Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as well?

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

October 7th, 2023, Hamas caught IDF and Israel security apparatus off guard.
According to reports:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/14/middleeast/united-nations-staff-deaths-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel, with 6,900 others injured. At least 32 of those killed are Americans. And Israeli officials say 239 people are being held hostage in Gaza.

39th day into Israel Gaza War, Hamas is no where to be seen, just few sporadic attacks here and there.

IDF land forces strength:

169,500 active military personnel
465,000 reserve forces
2,200+ tanks
530 artillery (SP, Towed, MRL, MOR).

Destroying few tanks and other vehicles, few dozen IDF soldiers hasn't/wouldn't dent IDF.

Deaths in Gaza:

11,180 people killed in Israeli airstrikes, including 4,609 children, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah, which draws its figures from the Hamas-controlled territory.

Hamas hiding in their tunnels, they don't have any situational awareness, and they are no where to be seen defending the Gazan Population.

They may claim to have highlighted Palestine once again, but USA won't be settling Palestine issue in favor of Palestine. All Arab countries are with US and Israel for trade and commerce with Israel and New Middle east.

Hamas knew for sure that there will be severe bombardment and 1000s of people will be killed.

Hamas also knew its limited resources and it knew much bigger numbers and advance capabilities of IDF.

Hamas wanted to put attention of the world to this cause once again. Palestinians were nearly forgotten at world stage. Palestinians and Palestine were becoming irrelevant at world stage. The arab world was coming close to Israel very rapidly. KSA along with many other countries were about to normalise relations. PLus regional connectivity were being discussed. Hamas didn't wanted all this without resolution to their issue. Palestinians were already living in strict restrictions. So, Hamas achieved its objective in that sense.


From military point of view and how things will move in future: Well, its too early to say anything yet. Hamas could have retreated to a certain location and waiting for their next move. Israelis will not be able to achieve much keeping hold of those areas, its very resource intensive task to keep patroling those sensitive and densely populated areas, plus that comes with global backlash too.

However IMO, Hamas should have waited to achieve some specific technologies before attempting a largescale operation as they did on oct 7th. Suchs as powerful ATGMs, shoulder fired SAMs, ability to develop powerful mines and deploy and remove those on need basis. Lot of tanks could have been stopped or slowed down to great deal with mines.

 

[313ghazi]

It seems to me like people forget that hamas has never hide the fact that they are a radical militant group who public and stated aim is to destroy Israel and that they would NEVER RECOGNISE OR NEGOTIATE WITH ISRAEL and that their aim is to destroy them and claim back all the lost territory. It seems to me like people often forget this fact as well. So if some people think a negotiated settlement is the solution then Hamas is out of the picture and shouldn't even be considered in this regard .
Hamas stated aim is a military solution to the crisis. So if military solution is the goal then the current Israel Hamas war is the desired and reasonable aim. The only thing is that civilians have been collateral damage on both sides.
So people have to take their pick. Diplomatic solution which totally excludes militant groups like Hamas or military one who involves Hamas but favours Israel since they are by far the stronger side militarily.

This is factually incorrect.

They changed their position when their charter changed in 2017.

 

[prashantazazel]

People who think it was a conspiracy could be right.
Let this be a lesson though. Don't have conflicts with a smarter, more capable nation. Be friendly, so that it doesn't come to this.

A lot of these terrorist attacks have been conspiracies.

 

[Bugsy]

Whenever facing issues like these such as ttp, isis, Hezbollah or hamas.
Just figure out who profited the most from their presence and you will get the answer.
In hamas case the winners are Isreal. And before someone comes at me saying "they have exposed their intentions"
Let me tell you USA was literally created by genocide of native Americans. You think people give a f@@k?

Isreal saw booming population of Palestinians and they needed an excuse to get rid of them.(why do you think so many dieng are children?)
Well voila you got hamas loosing their minds and paratrooping into isreal would you look at that and if that isnt enough we are also going to take hostages so better come after them

And result is this.
North is almost conquered and south will be too.
The spirit of muslim ummah in dust.
Message well received.

Being a conspiracy theorist in this day and age is an honour. Wear that badge with pride.
Too many brain dead npc's following whatever their leaders feed them.
Dont be like them.

 

[313ghazi]

Hamas didn't expect to win a conflict, they do these attacks with little or no strategic thinking. At best they can hope that they'll create a wider conflict. Same as when Hizbollah attacked a few years ago. If Israel cannot wipe them out, they can claim it as a victory and then hope that long term the fear of costly retaliation will limit Israeli agression.

Take Hizbollah for example, after each conflict we said the same thing about thier attacks - but due to the high price Israel paid in those wars, Israel has curbed it's agression against Hizbollah because they know they will get damage back which will force them into a longer conflict, which they don't want.