Hamas battle with Al Qaeda radicals kills 13, injures 100

[waraich66]

Can you think of any reason why we should give aid to the Palestinians in the first place?

Why US give aid to rafugees all over the world ? Palestine rafugees also deserve aid under UN charter.

These are the same people who often chant 'Death to America' and rejoiced when 3000 of our citizens were murdered on Sept. 11, 2001. I traveled across the US often enough, from military service to civilian life, and I do not ever see any mass demonstrations by US citizens every time a Palestinian house got bulldozed or a Palestinian got killed in a crossfire.

You dont know the violation of Israel of UN resolutions and international human right laws ?

US always use its vito power in favour of Israel, which is major cause of hatred in muslim world and Palestine.

 

[Thomas]

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Compare apple with apple , we are dicussing Palestine and Israel , can you provide figures of aid given by US to Palestine from 1949 to 2009 ?

Let us see the real face of US
Can you think of any reason why we should give aid to the Palestinians in the first place? These are the same people who often chant 'Death to America' and rejoiced when 3000 of our citizens were murdered on Sept. 11, 2001. I traveled across the US often enough, from military service to civilian life, and I do not ever see any mass demonstrations by US citizens every time a Palestinian house got bulldozed or a Palestinian got killed in a crossfire.

just to set things straight I didn't say the above quote. I was responding to it.

 

[gambit]

just to set things straight I didn't say the above quote. I was responding to it.

That is three times now I had to edit and make corrections to quotations to attribute to correct persons. Thinks there may be something funky with the forum's software.

 

[gambit]

Why US give aid to rafugees all over the world ? Palestine rafugees also deserve aid under UN charter.

Who 'deserve' what does not mean 'entitled' or somehow be given a 'right' to our money.

You dont know the violation of Israel of UN resolutions and international human right laws ?

General Assembly resolutions. And do not think that others do not violate UN resolutions against them as well in this mess.

US always use its vito power in favour of Israel, which is major cause of hatred in muslim world and Palestine.

And the Soviets used their veto power in support of the Arabs. What are you crying about?

 

[waraich66]

Who 'deserve' what does not mean 'entitled' or somehow be given a 'right' to our money.

G8 or G10 pledged money to UN for its utilization in proper way for refugees,food ,poverty and decease and disaster, but US is interfering for utilization of this money in proper way.

150 Bill USD aid is only for miltery and continuation israeli terrorism is region.

General Assembly resolutions. And do not think that others do not violate UN resolutions against them as well in this mess.

Vito power does not mean to crush the human rights and violate the UN resolution then what is use of UN better close it

And the Soviets used their veto power in support of the Arabs. What are you crying about?[/QUOTE]

Crying for terrorism of Israel and injustice of super powers.

 

[gambit]

G8 or G10 pledged money to UN for its utilization in proper way for refugees,food ,poverty and decease and disaster, but US is interfering for utilization of this money in proper way.

US aid to the Palestinians are passed through UNRWA...

USAID WEST BANK AND GAZA

The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians, having programmed an estimated $2.2 billion through USAID since 1993. Funding has supported programs in the areas of water and sanitation, infrastructure, education, health, economic growth, and democracy. The United States also is committed to continuing assistance for basic human needs in both the West Bank and Gaza, including emergency food, health care, and access to safe water. In Gaza, much of this is accomplished through the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and local and international nongovernmental organizations (NGOs).

So do show everyone how are we 'interfering' with this. How much of this aid went into Arafat's pocket since 1993? Who is truly 'interfering' here? Why is Arafat's family living in luxury in Paris while the average Palestinians live in poverty despite $2 BILLIONS given to the PA? Where did the money go? I am just going to dismiss the rest of your drivel.

 

[waraich66]

US aid to the Palestinians are passed through UNRWA...

USAID WEST BANK AND GAZA

So do show everyone how are we 'interfering' with this. How much of this aid went into Arafat's pocket since 1993? Who is truly 'interfering' here? Why is Arafat's family living in luxury in Paris while the average Palestinians live in poverty despite $2 BILLIONS given to the PA? Where did the money go? I am just going to dismiss the rest of your drivel.

I know Palestine leadership is corrupt but point of discussion is delay in solution of Palestine dispute and unjust US aid to Israel to strengthen miltery power to terrorise the Arabs

 

[gambit]

I know Palestine leadership is corrupt but point of discussion is delay in solution of Palestine dispute and unjust US aid to Israel to strengthen miltery power to terrorise the Arabs

The corruption in the PLA contributed to the Israeli/Palestinians crisis. US aid to Israel is not to terrorize the Arabs. There goes that typical oh-woe-is-me-the-muslim attitude again. Egypt made peace with Israel. You can call Egypt any names you want, but the reality was that after Sadat paid for that peace with his life, Egypt saw nothing to be gained from being at war against Israel and honor that peace treaty. Egypt became an adult, it is about time the Palestinians demand their leaders to do the same.

 

[waraich66]

The corruption in the PLA contributed to the Israeli/Palestinians crisis. US aid to Israel is not to terrorize the Arabs. There goes that typical oh-woe-is-me-the-muslim attitude again. Egypt made peace with Israel. You can call Egypt any names you want, but the reality was that after Sadat paid for that peace with his life, Egypt saw nothing to be gained from being at war against Israel and honor that peace treaty. Egypt became an adult, it is about time the Palestinians demand their leaders to do the same.

It was mistake of Palestine and Syrian leaderships not to involved in the Egypt -Israel peace talks after 1973 war ,agreed they lost golden chance .They can dictate their terms to Israel at that time.

 

[gambit]

It was mistake of Palestine and Syrian leaderships not to involved in the Egypt -Israel peace talks after 1973 war ,agreed they lost golden chance .They can dictate their terms to Israel at that time.

Then stop blaming Israel for everything. No...I am not saying Israel is blameless in this mess, quite often they have been too highhanded and thickheaded. But once more in 2000 with Clinton Arafat threw away a chance for an uneasy peace that increased the odds of a more settled peace. Saudi Arabia's Priince Bandar called Arafat's refusal to compromise a 'crime' to the Palestinians. No compromise is perfect but a compromise always leave an open door to other possibilities.

 

[TruthSeeker]

No compromise is perfect but a compromise always leave an open door to other possibilities.

In spite of the well-proven patience that the Palestinians have shown in prolonging the struggle, they do not seem to recognize how much they could accomplish with demographics. Imagine the changes that Palestinian demographics could bring about in the next 60 years if they would make compromises that would bring peace, and shift the "struggle" to a second stage where the power of the vote, and the numbers of voters, is telling.

 

[Vassnti]

In spite of the well-proven patience that the Palestinians have shown in prolonging the struggle, they do not seem to recognize how much they could accomplish with demographics. Imagine the changes that Palestinian demographics could bring about in the next 60 years if they would make compromises that would bring peace, and shift the "struggle" to a second stage where the power of the vote, and the numbers of voters, is telling.

I am wondering if the chance at least for the moment has passed. Jund Ansar Allah is denying connections with al-Qaeda, if it is a Salafi movment with out al-Qaeda connections and the Hamas claims that it is supported by unnamed Arab countires is true then at least by my logic there is possibility of Saudi funding. If Gaza becomes the proxy in a Sudi/Iran, Jund Ansar Allah/Hamas conflict sadly it may be a long time before there is a chance for the Palestinian people to raise their voice.

 

[waraich66]

Then stop blaming Israel for everything. No...I am not saying Israel is blameless in this mess, quite often they have been too highhanded and thickheaded. But once more in 2000 with Clinton Arafat threw away a chance for an uneasy peace that increased the odds of a more settled peace. Saudi Arabia's Priince Bandar called Arafat's refusal to compromise a 'crime' to the Palestinians. No compromise is perfect but a compromise always leave an open door to other possibilities.

Can we make compromise with thief? Jews had committed biggest theft in the history of nations (See the difference in Israeli map of 1948 and 2009).

I am confident we will throw them out soon through amir bil marouf nahi munkir and dawat e haq

 

[Thomas]

Can we make compromise with thief? Jews had committed biggest theft in the history of nations (See the difference in Israeli map of 1948 and 2009).

I am confident we will throw them out soon through amir bil marouf nahi munkir and dawat e haq

your argument is no different then those of every other people in world history that have felt wronged. Because they lost land they felt belonged to them. Look at an old map of Europe from the 1800's. You think everyone was happy when their land got gobbled up by another country? In the end however they learned to live with it. It wasn't the end of the world.

The Palestinians have a choice. Live in Misery another 50 years or more. or accept that Israel isn't going anywhere. and make peace and create a Palestinian State. Israel is much to powerful itself. and the U.S. will not allow it to be destroyed no matter what. They are a close Allie and proven to be more dependable then many of the countries around them. Sadly I think though all the Palestinian infighting will keep them from being able to make a decision for peace. The Muslim theocracy of Iran who controls Hezbollah and Hamas will not allow it. And why is that?

As I have said before the land is just the excuse. This battle is over religion. it is called the Holy land for a reason. Because the land is considered Holy to 3 separate Religions. though Christianity is actually a sect of Judaism.

It is easy for other Muslims who live in other countries. To pound their chests and talk about stolen land. And driving Israel into the sea. But they themselves have no vested interest. It is not their blood being spilled. The majority of Palestinians (who believe it or not are not Hamas supporters) want a peace deal. The rest of the Muslim world needs to let them make that deal. And I don't mean Hamas's idea of a state. that is a no go becuase it is simply a ploy. It offers 0 chance for peace since their goal is to wipe Israel out eventually.

Fundamentalist I noticed you said "we" in your statement. Are you Palestinian?

 

[waraich66]

your argument is no different then those of every other people in world history that have felt wronged. Because they lost land they felt belonged to them. Look at an old map of Europe from the 1800's. You think everyone was happy when their land got gobbled up by another country? In the end however they learned to live with it. It wasn't the end of the world.

Bad thing is Israel did theft under the UN resolution and under supervision of civilized nations and their leader USA

The Palestinians have a choice. Live in Misery another 50 years or more. or accept that Israel isn't going anywhere. and make peace and create a Palestinian State. Israel is much to powerful itself. and the U.S. will not allow it to be destroyed no matter what. They are a close Allie and proven to be more dependable then many of the countries around them. Sadly I think though all the Palestinian infighting will keep them from being able to make a decision for peace. The Muslim theocracy of Iran who controls Hezbollah and Hamas will not allow it. And why is that?

It is against our islamic principles to compromise with any aggressor even last muslim killed.

As I have said before the land is just the excuse. This battle is over religion. it is called the Holy land for a reason. Because the land is considered Holy to 3 separate Religions. though Christianity is actually a sect of Judaism.

Islam dont allow to battle with Cristianity and jedaism , we can do marriages with them under certain conditions.

It is easy for other Muslims who live in other countries. To pound their chests and talk about stolen land. And driving Israel into the sea. But they themselves have no vested interest. It is not their blood being spilled. The majority of Palestinians (who believe it or not are not Hamas supporters) want a peace deal. The rest of the Muslim world needs to let them make that deal. And I don't mean Hamas's idea of a state. that is a no go becuase it is simply a ploy. It offers 0 chance for peace since their goal is to wipe Israel out eventually.

We dont want to throw jews in sea, they can live in Israel but they should return confisticated arab land .

Fundamentalist I noticed you said "we" in your statement. Are you Palestinian?

Let me clarify you we (muslim) are like brother our heart beat is common , man made boundries have no value for us, it is just for identification.

We(muslim ) love you ( non muslim) and wish to live like brothers.