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If someone builds colonies inside the Palestinian territory, grabs more and more land from them and builds walls in such a way that the territory becomes an open air prison then the Palestinians have their full right of not settling for peace until and unless the israelis leave their territory. You guys want democracy in the middle east. Well guess what, Palestinians elected Hamas. They are the choice of Gazans.

Well said!

And that says it all about Hamas not wanting a two state solution! If you divide someone's home across the middle and then ask them to make peace with you, What would you say? :frown:

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If someone builds colonies inside the Palestinian territory, grabs more and more land from them and builds walls in such a way that the territory becomes an open air prison then the Palestinians have their full right of not settling for peace until and unless the israelis leave their territory. You guys want democracy in the middle east. Well guess what, Palestinians elected Hamas. They are the choice of Gazans.

their election terms expired long ago. Right now you have a de facto civil war between Hamas and the Palestinian authority. And I suspect that if it was possible to hold elections Hamas would lose in Gaza. There has been to many political killings by Hamas since they were originally elected. The majority of Palestinians want a negotiated solution with Israel now. Hamas being a proxy of Iran will not allow it.

 
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except Hamas does not want a two state solution.

Vast tracts of Israeli agricultural land in north Israel's Galilee area have been bought up by Arabs with financial backing from the Gulf, Israeli public radio reported on Saturday.
It said dozens of hectares (acres) have been bought and that a local farmers' association had tried in vain to warn the Israeli authorities about the sale.

The radio station quoted Agriculture Minister Shalom Simhon as saying the affair was not a matter for his department since "it concerns private land."

Galilee and the Negev desert in the south are relatively lightly populated, and Israel has a minister, Sylvan Shalom, charged specifically with development.

Much of the country's Israeli Arab population of around 1.4 million people lives in the Galilee.

On August 3 the Israeli parliament passed a controversial land reform law that allows local officials to privatise publicly owned land, triggering the ire of the Arab minority.

Arab MPs said the law, which is backed by hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, would block efforts by Palestinians who fled the creation of Israel in 1948 to recover their property or seek compensation for what they have lost.

The new law allows local municipal officials to sell off state land in urban centres and maintains a previous ban on the sale to non-Jews of land controlled by the Keren Kayemet LeIsrael Jewish agency.

Gulf Arab money 'behind purchases of Israeli land'

May i suggest Next time do some reaserch before making comments that are pure propogenda and it wont fly with rest of the world as we dont get our news from fox news and can do the reaserch to find the truth some were else.
 
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their election terms expired long ago. Right now you have a de facto civil war between Hamas and the Palestinian authority. And I suspect that if it was possible to hold elections Hamas would lose in Gaza. There has been to many political killings by Hamas since they were originally elected. The majority of Palestinians want a negotiated solution with Israel now. Hamas being a proxy of Iran will not allow it.

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what do U think this is a kangaroo forum or only American talk radio listeners come here dude Abbas was appointed by the west after murdering arafat to create this infighting.No one accept in USA buys this B.S that Israelite are looking for peace and Palestinians are the one against it this argument will fly with fox news viewers as brains aren't required but please keep it to your self this propagandon we and the rest of the world can sees and read and everybody knows who is not willing to talk peace.
 
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Hamas - the group which controls Gaza - has clashed with a radical Islamist group, launching a raid on a mosque in which its spiritual leader died. The BBC's Jo Floto in Jerusalem explains what lies behind Hamas's actions.

There were reports coming from Gaza this week that Hamas was losing patience with the Jund Ansar Allah - or Soldiers of the Companions of God.

An unsuccessful attempt was apparently made to detain the military commander of the group, a man going by the nickname of Abu Adbullah al-Muhajir.

Hamas security men approached him as he was leaving a mosque in Rafah. According to a source close to Hamas, Muhajir and his bodyguards threatened to detonate explosive belts they were wearing, and escaped.

The group let it be known that this Friday its spiritual leader, Abdul Latif Moussa, would declare an "Islamic emirate".

Hamas told the group to cancel the prayers, something it refused to do. Attempts at negotiation failed and Hamas decided to end the rise of Jund Ansar Allah.

Militants on horseback

The group came to prominence in June, when Jund Ansar Allah claimed responsibility for an attack on Nahal Oz, one of the crossing points from Gaza into Israel.

It was the most serious attack on an Israeli military position since the end of the Gaza offensive in January. The group used weapons, vehicles with explosives, and unusually, militants on horseback.

The mounted attack was a failure. The Israeli army responded with machine guns, tanks and attack helicopters.

The material posted by the group on the internet is certainly inspired by al-Qaeda. It shares much of the iconography, language, music and discourse of other Jihadi groups.

In a recent declaration purportedly issued by the Jund Ansar Allah, Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, are mentioned by name.

The group maintains that a return to a purer form of Islam is needed and that Sharia law must be implemented, and rejects democracy as un-Islamic.

But although it is easy to draw the ideological and linguistic connection, it is much harder to establish whether the group receives direction, money or resources from elsewhere.

Given that Gaza remains largely closed off from the rest of the world, that would be difficult - although not impossible.

The smuggling of weapons into Gaza is almost entirely controlled by Hamas. The fact that the group appears to have been relatively well-armed would point to at least some of its members being former militants from other groups, including Hamas.

In terms of numbers, one source estimates about 300 men, based in Khan Younis and Rafah, at the southern end of the Gaza Strip, but it is difficult to know for sure.

Uncompromising message

The Jund Ansar Islam is one of a handful of radical al-Qaeda-inspired groups to have appeared in the Gaza Strip in recent years.
The most prominent of these until now was Jaish al-Islam, who participated in the raid which captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2006 and claimed responsibility for the kidnapping of BBC's Gaza correspondent Alan Johnston in 2007.

The groups may have been used as proxies by other militant groups or powerful clans, but all have managed to attract young Gazans with a more radical interpretation of Islam, and with an uncompromising message of how to fight Israel and its "Crusader" allies.

For those young men who have become increasingly radicalised in Gaza, the established parties and militant groups are seen to have failed.

Since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip two years ago, these groups have been seen as a challenge to its authority, and Hamas has stamped on them hard.

But dealing with them has presented Hamas with a real problem. Hamas's full title is the Islamic Resistance Movement, and it faces opposition from within its own membership and support base if it cracks down too hard on groups for either engaging in acts of resistance against Israel or activities presented as Islamic.

This week Hamas decided that it had had enough.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hamas crackdown on Gaza challengers

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i wonder where they getting there money and arms from
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/4620927245435035gazacit.gif/an american puppet state right next to there base dahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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what do U think this is a kangaroo forum or only American talk radio listeners come here dude Abbas was appointed by the west after murdering arafat to create this infighting.No one accept in USA buys this B.S that Israelite are looking for peace and Palestinians are the one against it this argument will fly with fox news viewers as brains aren't required but please keep it to your self this propagandon we and the rest of the world can sees and read and everybody knows who is not willing to talk peace.

clearly you are a Hamas supporter. And please.......Arafat was a OLD MAN. Abbas had no part in his death. And Abbas won 62.3% of the vote on a turnout of about 66% when he was elected in 2005. Sounds to me like he was elected by the Palestinian people. Stop spreading Hamas propaganda. You think the world does not see that there is a civil war going on between Hamas and Fatah? Also everyone knows that the bulk of Hamas money and weapons comes from Iran. The only ones that don't want a 2 state negotiated solution is Hamas. And Hamas does not speak for the majority of the Palestinian people. they are the ones that have their guns pointed at the heads of their own people. As evidenced by the Hamas executions of Fatah loyalists.
 
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Well, even if all the other issues are worked out, I don't see how Jerusalem will fit into the two-state solution.

Both sides are 100% gung-ho on keeping Jerusalem for themselves.
 
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Well, even if all the other issues are worked out, I don't see how Jerusalem will fit into the two-state solution.

Both sides are 100% gung-ho on keeping Jerusalem for themselves.

That pretty much is the main sticking point. The only way it might get resolved is if it is administered by the U.N. and neither side claims it as a capital.
 
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Inside view of Hamas from the son of one of it's founders.

 
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That pretty much is the main sticking point. The only way it might get resolved is if it is administered by the U.N. and neither side claims it as a capital.
It was so proposed way back when...

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine or United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine was a plan adopted by a decision of the General Assembly on November 29, 1947.[1][2] The decision facilitated the establishment of two provisional states, one Jewish and one Arab, and provided the framework for a regional economic union. The General Assembly also decided that the City of Jerusalem would be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime administered by the United Nations.
 
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Thomas;452043]clearly you are a Hamas supporter. And please.......Arafat was a OLD MAN. Abbas had no part in his death.

So i take it you support mass murder cause you clearly a israelie supporter.i clearly said Arafat was killed by west and israel to install Abbas as he is willing to do what ARafat wasnt obvoiusly.


And Abbas won 62.3% of the vote on a turnout of about 66%

So did karazai thats means absolutly nothing and is far from real.

when he was elected in 2005. Sounds to me like he was elected by the Palestinian people
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Wrong again abbas was elected by west and israel


Stop spreading Hamas propaganda
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elected government of palestinian people is not a propogenda having a puppet installed to do your dirty deed is.


You think the world does not see that there is a civil war going on between Hamas and Fatah?

Every body see there is a civil war going on between hamas and fatah as i said abbas was installed by west and israel just to do there killings arafat refused to do.

Also everyone knows that the bulk of Hamas money and weapons comes from Iran
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Yes we all know all of israel weapons and Money comes from usa whats your point oh i no you want the people of palestine to be defence less so they can be killed by american supplied weapons easily.

And Hamas does not speak for the majority of the Palestinian people
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Its a elected party of palestinian people dahhhhhhhhhhhh thats useally means people want them over the puppet.

they are the ones that have their guns pointed at the heads of their own people. As evidenced by the Hamas executions of Fatah loyalists

You keep repeating your self over and over again abbas is a insatlled puppet no ones other then israel and west want him there.




NEW YORK August 03, 2009
Afghanistan is rightly called `the graveyard of empires.’ We should call the Mideast `the tomb of peacemakers.’ In this troubled part of the world, real peace is as elusive and rarely-seen as the white Arabian gazelle.

So we observe with an abundance of caution President Barack Obama’s long-awaited Mideast peace offensive.

Many of the administration’s biggest guns have been sent to the Mideast in an all-out effort to get America’s squabbling allies to accept a comprehensive regional peace deal. The only notable absence from the American diplomatic A-team was, interestingly, Hillary Clinton, who was left at home to make nice to a visiting Chinese delegation.

The White House’s big push in the Mideast is being driven in good part by the growing danger of an Israeli attack on Iran and/or Lebanon.

Israel’s Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, openly warned Iran of possible military action if Tehran does not cease its nuclear program – which UN inspectors and US intelligence still says is non-military. Some American experts even worry Israel might use tactical nuclear weapons against deeply buried Iranian nuclear facilities, a cataclysm that would also contaminate Iraq, the Gulf, the oil fields of the Arabian Peninsula, Afghanistan and all the US military personnel in the region.

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has emerged as the Obama administration’s foreign policy strongman, eclipsing Hillary Clinton. His preeminence confirms that the Pentagon, not State Department, continues to spearhead foreign policy, as was the case during the Bush years.

Gates stood next to Barak as the Israeli minister threatened Iran, clearly backing Israel’s threats. Gates warned Iran it had until September to begin talks on dismantling its nuclear energy program – or else.

What happened to Barack Obama, the `peace president?’

Interestingly, the US has lived for over half a century under the threat of Soviet/Russian nuclear attack, and continues to do so under a strategy known as mutually assure destruction.
The US did not attempt to destroy the Soviet Union’s infant nuclear forces in the mid-1950’s, nor even after Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev threatened, `we will bury you!’

But Washington seems to support Israel’s insistence that it cannot live under the possible future threat of Iranian nuclear weapons, if ever developed, even though it now has deployed an indestructible nuclear triad and an effective, layered anti-missile system.

In any event, the intensifying power struggle in Iran’s feuding leadership will make any nuclear talks with the Western powers extremely difficult and uncertain.

In an unprecedented act by an Israeli leader, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly defied President Obama’s request that Israel cease building or expanding settlements on the West Bank and Golan. Netanyahu’s defiance was a clear sign of the strength of America’s Israel lobby and its domination of the US Congress that allows the Israeli tail to wag the American dog.

Israel had became used to getting its way with the accommodating Clinton and Bush administrations. Relations with the Obama White House are edgy.

Netanyahu reportedly called Obama’s two most important advisors, Rahm Emanuel (whose father was Israeli) and David Axelrod, `self-hating Jews’ for pressing Israel to end colonization and accepting a Palestinian state. Netanyahu later denied the comment, but the damage was done.

A key partner in Netanyahu’s Likud-led coalition, Rabbi Ovadia Josef, spiritual leader(if he were in Iran, he’d be a Grand Ayatollah) of the religious Shas Party, called Obama, `a slave who wants to rule the world’ for urging Israel to halt settlement activity. The pro-Likud `Washington Post’ newspaper dropped its pretense of impartiality and also blasted Obama over the settlement issue.

Meanwhile, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, America’s powerful Israel lobby, which reflects the policies and thinking of Netanyahu’s Likud Party, reminded Obama not to press Israel into a peace agreement.
(As i said before fox news is not really news but more like black comedy)
While running for president, Obama promised AIPAC he would never force Israel into an agreement it did not favor. He also vowed never to compel Israel to share Jerusalem with a new Palestinian state, a pre-requisite to any lasting settlement. So candidate Obama effectively handcuffed President Obama.

In a stinging contradiction to Gates’ threats, the Pentagon’s chief, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, warned any war with Iran would be extremely dangerous. He expressed the widely held fear among the US military that an Israeli attack on Iran would drag the US into a war it does not want and is not ready to fight. US forces that now ring Iran – in Iraq, the Gulf, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia – are also vulnerable to Iranian ground and missile attack in wartime. In effect, they are hostages.

Mullen’s very public warning was another important sign of the deep divisions within the Obama administration over Iran and the Mideast.

Lost in this fracas was the announcement by the militant Palestinian movement, Hamas, that it would accept (though not now formally recognize) Israel within its former 1967 borders. (as i said jewish crocodile tears are just that) This was a very important step forward as until now, Hamas has refused to accept the very existence of Israel. In turn, Israel has used Hamas’ refusal to avoid any open contacts with the most authentic and popular Palestinian group.

Long-simmering opposition to Israel’s expansionist policies among American Jews has recently erupted into the open, spearheaded by the new `J Street Group,’ which opposes the pro-Likud AIPAC and supports Israel’s peace movement, and creation of a Palestinian state.

Not surprisingly, `J Street’ is being denounced as traitors and `self-hating Jews’ by the rightwing Israel lobby. Compared to the 800-lb AIPAC, `J Street’ is a minnow. But this split in American Jewish ranks is very significant. There will be no genuine peace agreement or creation of a viable Palestinian state until the influential American Jewish community supports the peace plan.
But in spite of `J Street’ and other liberal Jewish groups, Likud’s lobby is still calling most of the shots when it comes to US Mideast policy.


copyright Eric S. Margolis 2009
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Like so much about the Mideast, what the North American media and our politicians tell us about the current agony of Gaza leaves out more than it includes, and paints a badly distorted picture.
We are told evil Hamas Islamic terrorists backed by Iran are raining deadly rockets on Israel with the intent of destroying the Jewish state. Israel, goes the mantra heard from politicians and the media, `has the right to defend herself.’

True enough. No Israeli government can tolerate rockets hitting its towns. Twenty four Israelis have died from these rockets over the past decade. The firing of these rockets by Palestinians is both useless and counter-productive: it damages their image as an oppressed people, enrages the Israelis, and gives their right wing extremists a perfect reason to launch more attacks on the Arabs and refuse to discuss peace.

Israel has the absolute right to drop hundreds of tons of bombs on `Hamas targets’ inside the 360 sq km Gaza Strip to `take out the terrorists,’ its supporters insist.

Using US-made F-16I jets to bombing Hamas there is like shooting fish in a barrel. Civilians must suffer, says Israel, because the cowardly Hamas hide among them.

But, as usual, this is a cartoon-like version of events that leaves out a great deal of detail.

Hamas, let us recall, won the Arab world’s first real democratic elections there in 2006. Horrified that its stooges in the corrupt, US and Israeli-backed PLO/Fatah led by Mahmoud Abbas were routed, Israel and the US imposed a punishing blockade on Gaza aimed at starving its people into rejecting Hamas and accepting the puppet Fatah.

According to the UN, most Gazans subsist near the edge of hunger. Seventy percent of Palestinian children in Gaza suffer from severe malnutrition. Medical facilities are critically short of personnel and drugs. Gaza has quite literally become a human garbage dump for all the Arabs Israel did not want.

Packed with 1.5 million Palestinian refugees, Gaza is one of the world’s most densely populated places, a vast outdoor prison camp filled with desperate people. In the past, they threw stones at their Israeli occupiers; now they launch home-made rockets.

In January, 2006, Israel began `anti-terrorist’ attacks and raids on Gaza in an effort to overthrow Hamas. Palestinians retaliated by rocket fire. In June, 2008, a cease-fire was brokered. But the skirmishing continued as Hamas fired rockets to protest Israel’s failure to lift the punishing blockage. The blockade was an egregious violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions, but the west went along with it.

Since 2006, over 1,000 Palestinians were killed by Israeli bombing, attack helicopters, tank fire and ground attacks.
That was before the December crisis in which well over 2,000 more Palestinians have so far been killed and thousands more wounded. Israel, as of this writing, claims four dead from rocket fire. Whatever happened to the Old Testament’s `an eye for an eye?’ Israel’s new ratio appears to be 500 to one.

The so-called truce expired just as Israel headed into an early election. Israeli politics played a key role in this crisis. Labor Party leader Barak, and Kadima leader, Tzipi Livini, are trying to prove themselves tougher than Bibi Netanyahu’s hardline Likud Party. Israel’s elections are only six weeks away, and Likud was leading until the air assault on Gaza.

The heavy attacks on Gaza are also designed to intimidate Israel’s Arab neighbors, and make up for Israel’s humiliating 2006 defeat in Lebanon. Kadima and Labor are now up in the polls.

As the current attacks began, Israel’s Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, asserted, `We have totally changed the rules of the game.’

He was right. By blitzing Hamas-run Gaza, Barak presented the incoming US administration with a fait accompli, and neatly checkmated the newest player in the Mideast Great Game – that other `Barack,’ Barack Obama – before he could even take a seat at the table.

Israel’s siege of Gaza looks likely to short-circuit any plans Barack Obama might have had to press Israel into withdrawing to its pre-1967 War borders and sharing Jerusalem. It also puts paid to the current Saudi peace plan, backed by all members of the Arab League, that called for Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders and share Jerusalem in exchange for full recognition from the Muslim world and normalized relations.

Israel’s security establishment remains dead set against allowing a viable Palestinian state, and refuses to negotiate with hated Hamas. Unable to kill all of Hamas’ men, Israel is slowly destroying Gaza’s infrastructure around them, as it did to Yasser Arafat’s PLO.

Israel is confident its mighty information machine will allow it to weather the storm of worldwide outrage over its Biblical punishment of Gaza. Who remembers Israel’s flattening of parts of the Palestinian city of Jenin, or the US destruction in Falluja, Iraq, or the Shatilla and Sabra massacres?

Though the torment of Gaza was seen across the horrified Muslim world as a modern version of the WWII Warsaw Ghetto uprising, western governments took no action. In his last act of criminal folly, America’s outgoing president, George W. Bush, cheered Israel’s attack on Gaza.

Though Israel’s use of American weapons against Gaza violates the US Arms Export Control and Foreign Assistance Acts, the docile US Congress will remain mute. Israel’s assault on Gaza was launched under cover of the year-end holidays, a well-used Israeli tactic.

Hamas, the militant but still democratically elected government of Gaza, is even less likely to compromise.
Hamas refuses to recognize Israel as long as Israel refuses to recognize Hamas and millions of homeless Palestinian refugees. Ironically, the founder and late leader of Hamas, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, had spoken of negotiations with Israel shortly before he was assassinated by Israel in 2004.

Israel’s hopes that it can bomb Gazans into rejecting Hamas are as ill-conceived as its attempt in 2006 to blast Lebanon into rejecting Hezbullah.

The lapdog Fatah regime on the West Bank installed by the US and Israel after Yasser Arafat was likely murdered, will be further discredited, leaving the militants of Hamas as the sole authentic voice of Palestinian nationalism.

The Muslim world is in a rage. But so what? As Stalin liked to say, `the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on.’ As long as the US gives Israel carte blanche, it can do just about anything it wants. Let the dogs bark.

Obama inherits this mess in a few weeks. During the elections, Obama bowed low to the Israel lobby, offering a new US carte blanche to Israel. His Mideast team looks like it may be top heavy with friends of Israel’s Labor Party. Chances Obama will make any progress towards a real Mideast peace seem dim at this point.

The tragedy of Palestine will thus continue to poison America’s relations with the Muslim world. Those Americans who still do not understand why their nation was attacked on 9/11 need only look to Gaza, for which America is now being blamed as much as Israel.
The entry of Israeli ground troops into Gaza suggests a bloody urban battle in which there will be even larger numbers of Palestinian civilian casualties and growing world outrage.


Unless Israel can make 5-7 million Palestinians disappear, it must find some way to co-exist with them. Israeli leaders on the center and right continue to avoid facing this fact. The brutal collective punishment inflicted on Gaza will likely strengthen Hamas and set back hopes of any Mideast peace by years.
 
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Sad news, Palestinians dont have any leadership and support from muslim countries.

Al Fatah and Hamas both may be agreed on two state solution , which is against the cause of palestine ,we should fight for each and every inch of Palestine for liberation.
 
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