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Hamas and Hezbollah reestablishing ties

I love how George Little edited his post two days later, otherwise I would respond and destroy his arguments. Now he is banned so it is against forum rules to quote him.

The 5 thanks to his post are an example of how ignorant this world has become. The guy is literally full out trolling and he gets thanked. He is pro-Israel when it comes to non-trolling mode. People here don't know him, but he needs social attention by trolling like this.

It's embarrassing for any Iranian to thank his post for which ever thing he stated. Throwing around 'wahabi' term just proves how sectarian your people are. Second of all, Hezbollah had one war with Israel before it greatly improved its military abilities and I don't know what he means by 'victory'. If it means fending off invasion then Hamas also did so. Israel used much more firepower against Hamas and Gaza is is a very tiny strip of besieged land. Had Hamas had Hezbollah's soveirgnty in Lebanon they would easily surpass them in every aspect.

Only pro-Israel people make arguments such as and Iranian people are becoming more pro-Israel anti-SUnni by the day. They naturally hate Sunni's and according to them supporting a fellow Shite organization means they are only anti-Israel ones which is bogus. There are Sunni Mujahideen who are much more anti-Israel than any of these people and are so out of their love for God and hate against oppression.

Iranians are not becoming pro-Israel or anti-Sunni. They are staunchly against Salafists though, just as much as they are against Zionists. Salafi and Zionist regime are silent partners in Syria. They must be destroyed and they will, Insha'Allah.
Fukuoka may be a troll sometimes, but not everything he says is wrong. :)
 
Iranians are not becoming pro-Israel or anti-Sunni. They are staunchly against Salafists though, just as much as they are against Zionists. Salafi and Zionist regime are silent partners in Syria. They must be destroyed and they will, Insha'Allah.
Fukuoka may be a troll sometimes, but not everything he says is wrong. :)

Everything he says is wrong and is trolling. I don't respond to him because I already know he is pro-Israel. He shows his real face only once in a while and he is a normal, educated person when he doesn't troll 99% of the time. And he indirectly admitted being pro-Israel.

I stand with what I said, anyone who thanks such comments is retarded or sectarian.
 
Everything he says is wrong and is trolling. I don't respond to him because I already know he is pro-Israel. He shows his real face only once in a while and he is a normal, educated person when he doesn't troll 99% of the time. And he indirectly admitted being pro-Israel.

I stand with what I said, anyone who thanks such comments is retarded or sectarian.

Come on, dont be that way.
I dont entirely agree with his wording, but I agree with the essence of what he was saying. lol
 

That the Palestinians resistance does not help itself like Hezbollah. It does major disservices to itself. Like when Khaleed Mashal goes to Qatar and kisses the hand of that sectarian Egyptian sheikh (belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood).
The same Qatar that is in bed with Israel and even welcomes their despicable politicians like Tzipi Livni. Tell me, is that not disgusting to you?

Its time for Hamas to let of its ideological roots, forget about politics in other countries, and care only about the national interests of Palestine. Time for Hamas to become exclusively a resistance movement, and not an ideological cause by entangling itself in politics of other nations. This also means chose your allies wisely.
Right now the leaders of Hamas act like homeless beggars and whores that goes to bed with everyone.
 
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That the Palestinians resistance does not help itself like Hezbollah. It does major disservices to itself. Like when Khaleed Mashal goes to Qatar and kisses the hand of that sectarian Egyptian sheikh (belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood).
The same Qatar that is in bed with Israel and even welcomes their despicable politicians like Tzipi Livni. Tell me, is that not disgusting to you?

Its time for Hamas to let of its ideological roots, forget about politics in other countries, and care only about the national interests of Palestine. Time for Hamas to become exclusively a resistance movement, and not an ideological cause by entangling itself in politics of other nations. This also means chose your allies wisely.
Right now the leaders of Hamas act like homeless beggars and whores that goes to bed with everyone.

@haman10 @Hazzy997 @1000 @Serpentine @kollang @Ceylal

Don't tag other people bro. Me and you can discuss this with no heat. Ignore what people think of us. Hamas is not against relations with the Sunni Arab world. It has to have an ally in the Sunni Arab world and it doesn't have one besides Qatar. The people who should ask their selves why Hamas relocated are the upper brass in Iran and the rest of the axis. Hamas wanted to maintain a neutral position in Syria. Iran did not want that, it let Islamic Jihad retain a nuetral one but wanted Hamas to express public support to Assad which would result in Hamas becoming as unpopular as Hezbollah is now. You aren't involved in the medastream in the Arab world, there is a lot of disdain against Hezbollah. Hamas won't take that risk.

So Iran responded by cutting aid to Hamas, which is Iran's choice. However, you have no right to bash Hamas over that politically speaking. Let alone ideologically speaking, Hamas follows the Sunnah and Jammaah, they are Sunni's that follow the Prophet. And they can't be expected to sympathize with blind, deadly Arab nationalism. They are alternative to that and having the title of following Sunnah and Jamaah is no game. You need to stay by your principles and they simply won't support what's happening in Syria. After that, Syria regime sent their militias to execute Hamas officials in Syria. One of them was beheaded, and that is when Hamas left Syria. Hamas is not Islamic Jihad or PFLP where you can scare us into accepting your ideology. We do not fear you or Israeli's, we fear God only.

Hamas has no business in what Qatar does or who it hosts. Just as it didn't in Egypt. Hamas is an Palestinian Movement. Only in your dreams would they exclusively pledge loyalty to Iran and their Shia allies. They put much more resistance than you and all your allies combined. Your 'resistance' axis has little to do with Israel. We aren't naive people, it is all about Iranian interests that are all anti-Arab and involve killing Arab Sunni's and using the lives of Iraqi Shias to further your interests. Hamas was a Resistance movement ever since it declared itself, this had zero to do with Iran or anyone else for that matter.

The military support to Hamas prior was nowhere near what Hezbollah recieves and pointless for a whole movement to ruin its reputation because Iran is willing to give them their oldest generation weapons. If Hamas doesn't get what Hezbollah gets than it is not worth it in the long term. By the way, Hamas didn't cut ties, it was your side which did. And your side which dedicated much more resources to Syria rather than to fight Israel. It's Iran which prevents Hezbollah from taking military action against Israel. Which is why Iran and Syria assaisinated Imad Muginyeh. Hamas is not begging for you over anything, and neither to any other nation. It is a movement and will provide for itself what is necassary. Of course they look out for the interests of their people as they're governing and that is called diplomacy.

And before you call them beggars call your Syrian and Iraqi allies beggars who begged the West to save their butts in Iraq. And beggars aren't people who put off two Israeli assaults and one major ground invasion over 60 day period with no support from Arab world or Iran.

Hamas hosting Qaradawi is none of your business, against you are ignoring the Sunni popular base. Iran also hosts sectarian people and shakes hands with them. Their ties don't interfere with each other's ideologies.

Asking them to give up their ideology is ridicilious. Why don't you give up your Persian nationalist extremist anti-Arab ideology under banner of 'Shicism'? Would you do that?

And still after all those dirty language from you people Hamas's armed wing shares with Iran and Hezbollah the results on the ground. All the Israeli warfare strategies are shared with Iran and Hezbollah and all Hamas's tactics(Yes our tactics) are shared with Hezbollah if they worked well or not. And this is why Hezbollah is prepared for war with Israel. Not because of you clowns in Iran or Hezbollah. Hamas was involved in ground resistance since the 2000's and in 2004 and in 2006 and in 2008 and in 2009 and in 2012 and 2014. Be grateful that they share their experience with you in order for hezbollah to come out and say look how victorious we are even though all the credit goes to Hamas.
 
He should show respect to Vietcong veteran Fukuoka, no one should accuse him of being pro Israel
you are so sarcastic all the time , ppl sometimes cannot actually distinguish if you're serious or not :lol:
 
Don't tag other people bro. Me and you can discuss this with no heat. Ignore what people think of us. Hamas is not against relations with the Sunni Arab world. It has to have an ally in the Sunni Arab world and it doesn't have one besides Qatar. The people who should ask their selves why Hamas relocated are the upper brass in Iran and the rest of the axis. Hamas wanted to maintain a neutral position in Syria. Iran did not want that, it let Islamic Jihad retain a nuetral one but wanted Hamas to express public support to Assad which would result in Hamas becoming as unpopular as Hezbollah is now. You aren't involved in the medastream in the Arab world, there is a lot of disdain against Hezbollah. Hamas won't take that risk.

So Iran responded by cutting aid to Hamas, which is Iran's choice. However, you have no right to bash Hamas over that politically speaking. Let alone ideologically speaking, Hamas follows the Sunnah and Jammaah, they are Sunni's that follow the Prophet. And they can't be expected to sympathize with blind, deadly Arab nationalism. They are alternative to that and having the title of following Sunnah and Jamaah is no game. You need to stay by your principles and they simply won't support what's happening in Syria. After that, Syria regime sent their militias to execute Hamas officials in Syria. One of them was beheaded, and that is when Hamas left Syria. Hamas is not Islamic Jihad or PFLP where you can scare us into accepting your ideology. We do not fear you or Israeli's, we fear God only.

Hamas has no business in what Qatar does or who it hosts. Just as it didn't in Egypt. Hamas is an Palestinian Movement. Only in your dreams would they exclusively pledge loyalty to Iran and their Shia allies. They put much more resistance than you and all your allies combined. Your 'resistance' axis has little to do with Israel. We aren't naive people, it is all about Iranian interests that are all anti-Arab and involve killing Arab Sunni's and using the lives of Iraqi Shias to further your interests. Hamas was a Resistance movement ever since it declared itself, this had zero to do with Iran or anyone else for that matter.

The military support to Hamas prior was nowhere near what Hezbollah recieves and pointless for a whole movement to ruin its reputation because Iran is willing to give them their oldest generation weapons. If Hamas doesn't get what Hezbollah gets than it is not worth it in the long term. By the way, Hamas didn't cut ties, it was your side which did. And your side which dedicated much more resources to Syria rather than to fight Israel. It's Iran which prevents Hezbollah from taking military action against Israel. Which is why Iran and Syria assaisinated Imad Muginyeh. Hamas is not begging for you over anything, and neither to any other nation. It is a movement and will provide for itself what is necassary. Of course they look out for the interests of their people as they're governing and that is called diplomacy.

And before you call them beggars call your Syrian and Iraqi allies beggars who begged the West to save their butts in Iraq. And beggars aren't people who put off two Israeli assaults and one major ground invasion over 60 day period with no support from Arab world or Iran.

Hamas hosting Qaradawi is none of your business, against you are ignoring the Sunni popular base. Iran also hosts sectarian people and shakes hands with them. Their ties don't interfere with each other's ideologies.

Asking them to give up their ideology is ridicilious. Why don't you give up your Persian nationalist extremist anti-Arab ideology under banner of 'Shicism'? Would you do that?

And still after all those dirty language from you people Hamas's armed wing shares with Iran and Hezbollah the results on the ground. All the Israeli warfare strategies are shared with Iran and Hezbollah and all Hamas's tactics(Yes our tactics) are shared with Hezbollah if they worked well or not. And this is why Hezbollah is prepared for war with Israel. Not because of you clowns in Iran or Hezbollah. Hamas was involved in ground resistance since the 2000's and in 2004 and in 2006 and in 2008 and in 2009 and in 2012 and 2014. Be grateful that they share their experience with you in order for hezbollah to come out and say look how victorious we are even though all the credit goes to Hamas.

You are speaking from emotions right now, which is why 95 % of your post makes no sense or have ground in reality.
 
You are speaking from emotions right now, which is why 95 % of your post makes no sense or have ground in reality.

95% of my post presents facts/info. I refuted everything you stated, and you knew I would which is why you tagged your friends. :D
 
95% of my post presents facts/info. I refuted everything you stated, and you knew I would which is why you tagged your friends. :D

Actuallly I removed the tags, after I read the first sentence of the post. To accomodate your wish. ;)
Its laughable to think Hezbollah owes its achievements to Hamas. Hamas always tried imitate Hezbollah. Only in 2009 and 2014 did you gain respect, after having learned tactics from Hezbollah. I wont get into detail but Hamas owes everything to Hezbollah. They're the ones with strategic depth.

Thats one of the reason Iran does not supply better advanced arms to you. You dont have strategic depth. Hezbollah is doing serious strategic planning and calculations. In contrast, Hamas is more hotheads. And your leaders are fat idiots going from bedroom to bedroom sheet., like a 2 dollar whore.
One instance claiming to be resistance, then the next second only to find you trimming the nails of Al Qaradawi... No self-respect, and you are comparing yourself with Hezbollah? Come one dude. :)
I do respect Hamas FIGHTERS, but not the political leaders.
I wouldnt be suprised if Khaled Meeshal even had some intimate relations Israel. :)
 
Actuallly I removed the tags, after I read the first sentence of the post. To accomodate your wish. ;)
Its laughable to think Hezbollah owes its achievements to Hamas

Read again what I wrote, Hezbollah has no one to look to for experience in warfare with Israel besides Hamas ever since 2006. Israel has heavily updated it's Air Force capabilities and missile system capabilities and it is no longer like 2006.

Hamas always tried imitate Hezbollah.

No they don't, they are similiar in some aspects on and others they far apart. Gaza and Lebanon are differnet geographically, let alone the political situation. Gaza has to take a whole other approach than Hezbollah, Gaza is a lot smaller than Lebanon so it is easier for Israel to spy on Gaza every inch of it. Hamas has take a different approach on the ground and their tactics differ. Hamas observed Israel's tactics in 2009 and worked with its enviroment to adopt a new strategy. Hezbollah of course offered some expertise in some areas but they still differ.

Only in 2009 and 2014 did you gain respect, after having learned tactics from Hezbollah. I wont get into detail but Hamas owes everything to Hezbollah. They're the ones with strategic depth.

Are you dumb? 2009? Hamas had no similiar tactics to Hezbollah in 2009. That was almost like a human sacrifice, you don't know how that was fought. It was not professional. Hamas did better in 2006 but it had less members confined to smaller districts and they had experience. In 2014, it was largely Hamas that updated it's tactics, you think people in Gaza are morons or something, we have many engineers and strategists in Gaza. The only thing Israeli's noticed was similiar was the stand off with much intensity on the ground. You can't get detail because you have no idea what you're talking about mate.

Thats one of the reason Iran does not supply better advanced arms to you. You dont have strategic depth.

Once again you display your stupidity, Iran doesn't supply better arms because it logistically cannot. It doesn't see Sunni's worth arming, it wants the glorly to remain with Hezbollah. Neither does it supply advanced arms to Islamic Jihad even though they praise them day and night on Presstv. Gaza has no strategic depth geographically, this is nothing to do with Hamas

Hezbollah is doing serious strategic planning and calculations. In contrast, Hamas is more hotheads.

I never thought you were this ignorant, Hamas is working day and night to plan. Hamas has very limited resources. Gaza has no opening to the world. Hezbollah is in a sovierieng nation, it is 100000 times easier for them to arm and plan. Hezbollah is more quiet about its capabilities and Hamas is more expressive but that is because they are looking for popular support. And Hamas is Palestinian, our people are under an occupation. We are in a continues state of war unlike Hezbollah. Use your brain a little bit.

Are those 'calculations' like the ones where Hezbollah rockets were falling on sea and barely reachign shore in 2006? Or when you taught Islamic Jihad how to fire two Fajr-5's in the sea in 2012? :D

Hamas is not marxist like Hezbollah where we wear tattoos, smoke cigrattes and take drugs during war.

I wouldnt be suprised if Khaled Meeshal even had some intimate relations Israel. :)

Yeah, Khaled Meshaal who was almost assassinated by Israel has intimate relations with them. Nice one. :)
 
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Are you dumb?.......................................



Once again you display your stupidity..........................................



I never thought you were this ignorant, ........................Use your brain a little bit.

So much for discussing with "no heat" ey? :lol:
You seem to be incapable of it because you are being too emotional and not entirely rational, which is why nothing you say can be taken at face value at this present moment.
I welcome you to try to refute my arguments when you are in a calmer state of mind, but for now my arguments remain factual and indisputable. lol
 
So much for discussing with "no heat" ey? :lol:
You seem to be incapable of it because you are being too emotional and not entirely rational, which is why nothing you say can be taken at face value at this present moment.
I welcome you to try to refute my arguments when you are in a calmer state of mind, but for now my arguments remain factual and indisputable. lol

Are you sure you're 'welcoming' me? :lol:

It seems like you're escaping the debate every time I refute your arguments Sammy Jaan. :D

You are more than welcome to respond to what I wrote above but I don't think you are too familiar with this.
 

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