Half a million illegal Indians staying and working in Bangladesh

[Sambha]

Half a million illegal Indians staying and working in Bangladesh ..

It's a lie, they are Bangladeshi Hindus, not Indians.

 

[sob]

This is a nice one, Half a million illegal Indians in Bangladesh.

After spending close to Two decades in Kolkata I know how many Bangladeshis are in W.Bengal specially on the Bongaon line.

Here in Delhi almost entire flower selling business has been captured by the illegal immigrants from Bangaldesh. If you ask them they will say they are from Kolkata and if on further questioning in Bangla then they admit very reluctantly they are from Dhaka.

Legally I know that there are many Indians at senior levels who are running the Textile mills in BD.

In the meantime please go through this article
Immigrants issue will be deciding factor in Assam - Economy and Politics - livemint.com

 

[TopCat]

Wow we will be taking over Assam very soon according to the article.
When can we eliminate and border with Assam. We must have some roadmap and plan to incorporate Assam BSF with BDR. What will be status of Meghalaya, they will sit in the middle and doesnt look good. Should we take that as well and give it a special status. Maaan.. too much work..

 

[Sambha]

Wow we will be taking over Assam very soon according to the article.
When can we eliminate and border with Assam. We must have some roadmap and plan to incorporate Assam BSF with BDR. What will be status of Meghalaya, they will sit in the middle and doesnt look good. Should we take that as well and give it a special status. Maaan.. too much work..

Do you think the rest of India will just stand and watch?

Even your govt. knows that peace and stability of Bangladesh is now in India's hands. Imagine what would happen if those illegals are forced to return instantly, where BD will resettle them?...what if they are pushed during the flood season, or in time of a famine??

Now add some revengeful Chakmas, ready to reclaim their lost soil- armed with lethal toys to the equation. Sounds good?

 

[TopCat]

Do you think the rest of India will just stand and watch?

Even your govt. knows that peace and stability of Bangladesh is now in India's hands. Imagine what would happen if those illegals are forced to return instantly, where BD will resettle them?...what if they are pushed during the flood season, or in time of a famine??

Now add some revengeful Chakmas, ready to reclaim their lost soil- armed with lethal toys to the equation. Sounds good?

No no no... we will make the integration automated, so that nobody even knows. Its like in the middle of night. We are not thinking of resettling anybody in BD but thinking of settling all the BD beggars to Assam. You know the govt already passed a law where Beggars get 3 mos jail for begging.

And dont worry about the Chakmas, they already seen what is their life waiting in India where People are struggling for freedom. Chakmas already integrated with the mainstream society, some rouge Chakma did not surrender arms after the peace treaty but they were taken care of by other Chakmas who wants a better life. Our army is pulled back, the area is open for visitors and massive development work is going on.

 

[Sambha]

snip

Hmm..not bad..

Then I will play China

on those beggers.

 

[TopCat]

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Behind the Recent Communal Violence in Assam
by Uddhab Barman, 30 October 2008

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People’s Democracy, October 19, 2008

Rampant violence and mayhem swept across many areas in the two districts of Udalguri and Darrang in Assam for three consecutive days starting on October 3, 2008. A total of 54 persons were killed in the clashes between Bodos and Muslims, including 25 in police firing. The toll in Udalguri district was 31 persons (including 11 killed in police firing) and in Darrang district 23 persons (including 14 killed in police firing). Those killed mostly belonged to the Bodo and the Muslim communities. Hundreds of houses belonging to people of both the communities were burnt rendering thousands of people homeless.

According to official spokespersons, around two lakh persons were forced to take shelter in 82 relief camps set-up after the clashes. Of these, 42 camps were set up in Udalguri district and 36 camps in Darrang district. While the majority of people living in the relief camps belong to the Bodo and the Muslim communities, there are also some who are Assamese, Nepalese, Adivasis and Bengalis. Many of those who were injured in these clashes are being treated in different hospitals, including in the Guwahati Medical College Hospital.

With the clamping of curfew and deployment of the army and paramilitary forces, the situation has been, by and large, brought under control now. But a sense of insecurity and tension continues among the people. Simmering fear and apprehension, distrust and disbelief still persists. The inmates of the relief camps belonging to both the communities alleged that groups of armed gangs looted and set their houses on fire. There existed no administration at all in these districts. The DC of Udalguri district was transferred and SP has been suspended.

DIFFERENT VERSIONS

There are different versions about what sparked off these horrible clashes. One version is that a group of Bodo youth working as night watchmen in their village was attacked by a group of Muslims and one of the Bodo youth, Rakesh Swargiary, was kidnapped and atrocities perpetrated on him. The attempts by Bodo youth to rescue him led to the clashes. The other version is that some Bodo youth went to the Muslim village to steal the hens, goats etc. and Rakesh Swargirary was caught red-handed and assaulted by the Muslims. The news of assault and attack on Rakesh Swargiary spread like wildfire. This led to the mobilisation and clashes between the two communities and subsequent violent activities of arson, attack and killings. It is to be noted here that the distrust and fear among these two communities was such that they arranged night guards to keep a vigil on their own respective villages.

These communal clashes between the Bodos and the Muslims is to be seen in the background of the present phase of anti-foreigner agitations rocking the entire state. The so-called initiative of ’detection’ of the suspected Bangladeshis by some organisations led to numerous harassments and atrocities on people belonging to the religious minority community in many places in the state. This led to protests from minority organisations against these harassments, humiliations and atrocities. As part of these protests, a minority outfit MUSA (Minority United Students’ Association) gave a call for ’Assam bandh’ on August 14, 2008 during which clashes occurred between the Muslim youth and Bodos at Rowta Town in Udalguri district. Seven persons were killed and many were forced to flee their homes and stay in the relief camps. Since then there was a simmering distrust and tension among the people resulting in formation of volunteer squads of both communities to maintain night-time vigil in their respective villages. All these arrangements were in fact used as means to keep up the fear and tension among the people. Strangely, in such a prevailing situation, the administration failed to take necessary measures to restore the confidence among the people as well as take other preventive measures against recurrence of the clashes between the two communities.

GENERATING PHOBIAS

Under the guise of an ’anti-foreigner’ agitation, a general sense of Islamophobia was sought to be generated among the people of the state by the BJP-RSS, which has built up a wide network in the districts of Udalguri and Darrang in recent years. These forces continue to communalise the foreigners’ issue and have been trying under different platforms to mobilise people, particularly those belonging to the socio-economically backward sections of the society, for their nefarious designs. They are using a section of the Bodos as a shield against the Muslims who actually settled in these districts long back and became a part of the broad Assamese society. A small section of Assamese, Bengalis and Nepalese are also being mobilised by these forces against the Muslims.Hagrama Mahilary, the chief of the Bodoland Territorical Council (BTC) alleged that the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB) has been responsible for the present communal clashes in the BTC area. The general secretary of the NDFB — an outfit which has a ceasefire agreement with the central government in force — denied the allegation and said that such charges were being made in order to cover up the failure of the state government and the BTC authority to protect the life and property of the people. But two NDFB activists arrested in connection with the killing of a Muslim woman in Baksa district confessed to the police about their involvement in the violence. Strangely, R N Mathur, state DGP said that there is no concrete evidence of the NDFB involvement in the present killings of the Muslims in the districts of Udalguri and Darrang. Whatever may be the truth about the involvement of the NDFB in the killings of Muslims, one thing is clearly evident — there is a strong trend among a section of the Bodo community to ethnically rule the BTC areas as a coherent homeland.

BREEDING FUNDAMENTALISM

On the other side, with the growth of the BJP-RSS in this region and their consistent violent campaign against Muslims in the name of suspected Bangladeshi citizens, sufficient ground has been created for the growth of communal and fundamentalist forces among the Muslim community. And this growth of Muslim fundamentalists and their activities further aggravated the communal situation in these areas.
All these multiple factors contributed to the present communal flare up and violence in the areas, resulting in the shattering of the unity of the people who are mostly peasants suffering from the onslaughts of the economic policies of the government. It remains to be seen whether the promises of the chief minister to provide relief and rehabilitation to the affected people and to take stern measures against those creating the communal violences will build confidence among the people and help in normalising the situation. But one thing is clear that the rifts and conflicts engendered by the communal violence among the Bodo and Muslim communities will be sought to be utilised by the divisive, communal and fundamentalist forces to their advantage and thus further endangering the peace and unity among the people.

So restoration of peace and amity among the people is the present urgent task. All the peace loving, democratic people of the state must unitedly come forward and endeavour to build confidence and amity among the people traumatised by the recent deplorable communal flareups and clashes.

(The writer is CPI(M) Assam state secretary; October 10, 2008

 

[Sambha]

:Yawn:

Islamophobia is everywhere in this world, nothing new about it.

Those people in Darrand are Bangladeshis, they don't speak Assamese nor Hindi. The ethnic bodos are at the verge of becoming a minority in their own ancestral land. And those people officially doesn't exist in Assam, they are not our citizens and there is no documentation of their existence (unlike the Chakmas whom you BDs massacred)..so there is no way you can say they died..they can't because they never existed. And this was an act of war between communities, both had equal opportunity. I am not condoning their acts, but again who I am to dictate them whether they should fight or not.

And lastly

Hagrama Mahilary, the chief of the Bodoland Territorical Council (BTC) alleged that the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)

This guy is a TERRORIST turned Minister, and he have a very violent past of killing his own men and relentlessly bombing Railway tracks in Assam. I would be happy to see him get stuck by lightening, as many others.


And btw I didn't read your article, just brushed over it, can't say if I missed some more 'interesting stuff'.

Btw why would you copy-paste such a long article (and that with little formatting), who do you expect to read that in its entirety??

 

[TopCat]

Well, a quote is not complete unless you refer to the whole article. I took my time to highlight the the important text.
Second, you are referring Chakma again and again. Nobody, repeat nobody in BD is proud of what had been done to Chakmas. There were misunderstanding and there were wrongdoing. We acknowledge the facts, and so we could solve the problem. Chakma is nomore a problem to us neither we are a problem to Chakma anymore.
This is historical facts that, Bengalis did migrate to Assam for the span of 100's years, even before that Assamese migrated to Assam from southern china. Who came first and who came last is not the question here but the question is, they are there. So you got a live with that and make room for everybody to live. There is noway on earth Bengalis are returning to their homeland, neither Auhomis going back to China.

 

[Sambha]

Assamese migrated to Assam from southern china. Who came first and who came last is not the question

Are you F**K CRAZZZYY ..Do I look Chinese to you???

Assamese is an Indo-European language as all other North-Indian languages are. Chinese?!!! SHHHSHH!!

Our ancestors migrated from (South of) Kannauj in Eastern UP. Do I look Chinese to you?? Chinese??

But we don't identify ourselves as Kannaujiyas, we created the Assamese language and we are the real Assamese.

There are many tribes and other groups in India that have origins in Myanmar/Thailand and Yes even China. But they have all embraced the Assamese language and Assamese Hinduism...and now they are part of the greater Assamese culture.

Have you ever seen the Assamese script?? Does it look 'Asian' to you??

 

[karnivore]

Huh, its not that you have some link where yu get all the answer you want.
The Hindu Business Line : FDI as catalyst for economic growth

Thank you very much.

The article seems to be ecstatic, quite rightly, about FDI boom in India. Even, my layman knowledge of economics, tells me, it is a good indicator of an economy. However some quotes from the same article (Data is of 04-05 and is probably irrelevant today):

Notwithstanding the marginal 1.1 per cent growth projected for agriculture, GDP is expected to rise to 6.9 per cent. This is commendable considering that over 8 per cent growth was achieved in the previous two years as well.

China's robust economic growth has been primarily driven by large investments in industry.

During the past two years, India's exports, too, have been looking up, this despite the global slump in export growth. The country logged 20 per cent export growth in each of the years, and this is expected to rise further to 26 per cent in the current year.

This growth has been led by FDI-driven industries, such as automobile, auto component and electronics. Transport equipment exports also rose at a healthy 36 per cent. And during the first eight months of the current year, the growth rate has zoomed 71 per cent. Much of this has been because of joint ventures and foreign subsidiaries setting up shop in the country.

However, there is big difference between the two countries' FDI philosophy. While China favoured FDI to boost exports rather than promote domestic industries, India's focus was on its import substitution programme. Again, while China relied more on external resources, considering export as the platform for faster economic growth, India looked more at domestic resources. FDI was seen only as a pipeline for high technology and not as an investment support.

The country has enough opportunities to plough the foreign investment in this sector. Deng Xiaoping, the architect of FDI liberalisation in China, argued in an essay that it was possible to import foreign "means of production" without importing "relation of production".

This means opening of economy need not change the political and social system. Even Japan seeks FDI to make good the shortfall in domestic investments. It is time, therefore, that India was more liberal in its approach to attracting foreign investments.

You are probably the only person who is trying to prove an unprovable case - that FDI is bad for economy (GDP is one indicator of a countries economic health.)

 

[TopCat]

Are you F**K CRAZZZYY ..Do I look Chinese to you???

Assamese is an Indo-European language as all other North-Indian languages are. Chinese?!!! SHHHSHH!!

Our ancestors migrated from (South of) Kannauj in Eastern UP. Do I look Chinese to you?? Chinese??

But we don't identify ourselves as Kannaujiyas, we created the Assamese language and we are the real Assamese.

There are many tribes and other groups in India that have origins in Myanmar/Thailand and Yes even China. But they have all embraced the Assamese language and Assamese Hinduism...and now they are part of the greater Assamese culture.

Have you ever seen the Assamese script?? Does it look 'Asian' to you??

Man, seems like I just hit a bees den.

The eight states of the North-East region of India comprise over 200 distinct ethnic groups. Assam alone is the home of about 20 large and small ethnic groups. Having ancestral relation with neighbour countries like China, Myanmar, Nepal, Bangladesh and Bhutan and sharing 98 per cent of its border with them , this land and its ethnic inhabitants has historically remained distanced from mainland India.
Human migration was an ongoing phenomenon in the Brahmaputra Valley for over the centuries. Various immigrant groups, most of them Mongoloids, had entered the region from neighbouring South-East Asian countries. The Ahoms, a Tai-Mongoloid group, immigrated to Assam during 13th century from China and consolidated their position to establish the Ahom Kingdom that ruled Assam for the next 600 years. In 1818, the Burmese invaded Assam and forced the Ahom king to leave the kingdom. Finally, in 1826 the British drove out the Burmese and Assam came under British domination. Although the power of Ahom Kingdom started to decline from the second half of the 18th century, the territory remained mostly unconquered from any exterior power (except for the brief periods between 1663 to 1667 by the Mughals and 1818 to 1826 by the Burmese invasion) till the British took over

British rule and growth of ‘anti-Bengali’ syndrome
After their takeover, the British revived Assam to one of the wealthier states of their regime with industrial and infrastructural developments. The tea industry was built up; high productive oil fields were discovered. The British brought in English educated Bengali officials to Assam to run the tea plantations and the civil service of the British raj. Since 1826, educated Bengali middle class Hindus held important positions in the colonial administration and other important professions like teachers, doctors, lawyers and magistrates. They also managed to introduce and initiate Bengali as the executive language of Assam. In 1905, the Viceroy of India Lord Curzon divided Bengal Presidency (undivided Bengal) into East and West Bengal (see <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bengal_gazetteer_1907-9.jpg" target="_blank">map</a>). Assam was merged with the new Muslim majority province of East Bengal. However, in 1911 British Government annulled the Bengal Partition due to massive political unrest in West Bengal. Assam was restored to its earlier status as a Chief Commissioner’s Province. But this time the British did another damaging act by integrating Bengali speaking Cachar, Goalpara and Sylhet with Assam province.
The British design to merge Assam with East Bengal had hurt the ethnic pride of local Assamese people. The decision was perceived by them as an indication that the Britishers are adversely treating their homeland as an extension of Bengal. Despite the fact that the middle class Bengali Hindus has made enormous contributions to the development of Assam’s oil wealth, industry and administration, the authority and power exercised by them over the ethnic Assamese and treating them with arrogance and contempt had ensued grave discontentment and a fear of cultural subordination. Moreover, the continuing large-scale influx of lower class Bengali Muslims was perceived as a demographic conquest by Bengalis to overpower local Assamese – those who were either Hindus or animists. As a result, a deep ‘anti-Bengali’ syndrome developed in the psyche of the ethnic Assamese mass. Hostility, mistrust and socio-cultural conflicts aggravated between the two major linguistic groups and have set the fertile ground for a full scale future confrontation.
Muslim immigration and the linguistic conflict
During the British rule, a big mass of Muslims had emigrated from undivided Bengal to Assam. Local Assamese people were living mostly in Upper Assam and cultivating one crop per year. They were less interested about working in the tea gardens or increasing their agricultural productivity. Hence, to work in the tea gardens, the British tea planters started to import labourers from central India – mainly from Bihar. British entrepreneurs had also actively encouraged landless Bengali speaking Muslim peasants to migrate from the populous East Bengal into the lowlands of Assam to work and develop the vast virgin lands. These poor peasant labourers were hardworking in nature and ready to work with minimal wages. They toiled hard on the waste lands of Lower Assam and transformed it into fertile agricultural fields. The influx of peasant labourers increased with the 1941 Land Settlement Policy. A British government 1931 census report stated that only in Nagaon district, the number of Bengali settlers has gone up between 1921 and 1931 by two thirds, from 300,000 to 500,000. The report also observed that places like Nagaon, Barpeta, Darrang, Kamrup and North Lakimpur were ‘invaded’ by settlers coming from Mymensingh district of East Bengal. These peasant Bengali immigrants made Assam their home and made a significant contribution to the agricultural economy of the state. In the critical months leading up to Partition, Assam was again in the verge of getting merged with East Pakistan. The Congress High Command and the Muslim League agreed on the Cabinet mission proposal for regrouping of Assam with the eastern part of Bengal, which was to go away with Pakistan. The move was fiercely opposed by Gopinath Borodoloi, the stalwart Congress leader of Assam with the backing of Mahatma Gandhi. Borodoloi successfully prevented the regrouping plan and saved Assam from becoming a part of Pakistan. Combined with the present day territories of Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya, Assam sans the pre-dominantly Muslim district of Sylhet, Assam became a state of the Union of India. A July 29, 1947 editorial in Assam Tribune noted that “…the Assamese people seem to feel relieved of a burden”.

 

[karnivore]

You guys first decide what you want to say. While one is saying....

..the GDP growth rate you try to show mostly comprise of FDI and Capital market enhancement, which made a 1 billion dollar company to a 50 billion dollar company and hence the higher GDP growth rate.

...the other is saying...

There will be hardly any impact on GDP by these FDI.

With current account deficit around 6% or $200 plus billion, these FDI will only be filling gap left by deficit.

I am not sure, if you really understand what current account is. Hence the constant bumbling with 6% deficit.

 

[Al-zakir]

The title says Half a Million Illegal Indians staying & Working in Bangladesh.

I say kill those Illegal Indians in Bangladesh. And do let us know. Sooner the better.

Yes that a good idea to clean them up. We will get to work soon. Stand by...

 

[TopCat]

Thank you very much.

The article seems to be ecstatic, quite rightly, about FDI boom in India. Even, my layman knowledge of economics, tells me, it is a good indicator of an economy. However some quotes from the same article (Data is of 04-05 and is probably irrelevant today):

You are probably the only person who is trying to prove an unprovable case - that FDI is bad for economy (GDP is one indicator of a countries economic health.)

Well FDI is not bad for the economy. I am just not sure whether it was the right time for India to open up Capital Market for FDI.
Let me give you some example, you start building your nation, take it to the level of 5000 USD/per capita income then you start open that up, you will see that your per capita touches 30000 which marks a developed country within a span of 5 years(Korea/Singapore). Those FDI really do little to improve the livelyhood of the ordinary people rather it just increase the asset value of your economy. What I tried to say about those GDP growth in India through FDI is mostly the increase of asset value. I am not saying that there were no real ecomic progress done. yes there were, FDI did go to real economy and your domestic investment in real sector was also there. Now if you take FDI effect out of the economy I should say India did grow with a pace of 4.5 to 6.5 percent in those years. Also your per capita Income should not be as high as it is indicated in the numbers.

Basically how FDI influence badly is just simple equation. Sombody put 100 million dollar to a company worth around 500 million, which sparks a chain effect and the next day you start seeing that the company worth 5 billion in trading not 600 million which suppose to be.


Thanks