HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[Arsalan]

Hello Arsalan,

I have always had a deep interest in defense related issues and I joined this forum sometime back, but couldn't get the time to become active until now.

However, I am constantly seeing our Hindustani friends making complaints against me when I question the LCA Tejas project in a perfectly decent manner.

Can you please let me know if there is any actual issue or if they are being overly sensitive?

Best Regards.

Its a bit of both. But i see that you have engaged the wrong guys here. I will suggest you talk on this matter to some better informed and sensible Indian members. @scorpionx will be a good person to talk to. Plus there are many Pakistani members here as well who can guide you in this subject.

My suggestion is that when you see a troll, a trust me if you will know it when you see them, just report the post and leave it to the moderators. For these people, PDF and trolling here is like oxygen. They cannot resist to be part of this forum and have to guts to call admins and mods biased while the other forums they so cheerfully post on are EXAMPLES of biased moderation. Where abuses hurled at Pakistan and Muslims are REWARDED. Yet to these hypocrites THIS FORUM IS biased. They would say that the forum is worthless and waste of time and then prove how worthless they themselves are by spending every available minute of their pathetic life on the forum. There is a HUGE group of such members and we are working on enforcing a permanent ban. Till that happens, just report and move on. I can assure you that there are many sensible and educated Indian members which are always a treat to debate with. Look for them and you will be using your time in a much more constructive manner.

 

[DarX]

he he he he kiddo apart form everything we all know who is beeging yamrica bahadur and china for second hand or for soft loans or discounted rates for 8 aef sollahs

and what we do in contrats we are setting up factories and testing fighter and readying for full production which is already stated and as momentum builds slowly and steadily is gaining steam so keep balberring no body is botherred every body wants to make money and we are also doing that

now as for tejas its already on scedule MK1 already 40 orderred 6 diliverred Mk1a already under final developement stages testing will start in mid 2018 and 83 already orderred (only new landing gear and AESA radar with IFR probe & OBOGS addded) and MK2 coming out in 2019( prototypes already under construction)

Haha. Beta we all know who is begging Amreeka today. We know how Modi got slapped down at the BRICS summit in his own country. We know how he got slapped down in his meeting with Trump. As always you can only make false claims.

Hindustan is all talk and no action. Setting up factories and testing fighters? What factories? The Rafale deal fell thr

Its a bit of both. But i see that you have engaged the wrong guys here. I will suggest you talk on this matter to some better informed and sensible Indian members. @scorpionx will be a good person to talk to. Plus there are many Pakistani members here as well who can guide you in this subject.

My suggestion is that when you see a troll, a trust me if you will know it when you see them, just report the post and leave it to the moderators. For these people, PDF and trolling here is like oxygen. They cannot resist to be part of this forum and have to guts to call admins and mods biased while the other forums they so cheerfully post on are EXAMPLES of biased moderation. Where abuses hurled at Pakistan and Muslims are REWARDED. Yet to these hypocrites THIS FORUM IS biased. They would say that the forum is worthless and waste of time and then prove how worthless they themselves are by spending every available minute of their pathetic life on the forum. There is a HUGE group of such members and we are working on enforcing a permanent ban. Till that happens, just report and move on. I can assure you that there are many sensible and educated Indian members which are always a treat to debate with. Look for them and you will be using your time in a much more constructive manner.

Thanks man. I just realized that I've wasted my time on them. Reporting them in the future.

 

[GURU DUTT]

So Hindustan is trying to get capabilities beyond what PAC Kamra has anything now, but has failed to even come close to what PAC Kamra has achieved presently. Good job. *Slow Clap*



Please be my guest. It can't be half as stupid as compared to what you've been doing on this thread.



Hahahaha! Boasting about something you have not achieved. The only idiocy you have proved is your own.

here kid take a look and they are couple of years old and GaA version which we already have ground tested and arial testing is going on we are devloping GaN verion now

 

[DarX]

here kid take a look and they are couple of years old and GaA version which we already have ground tested and arial testing is going on we are devloping GaN verion now

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Betaa good achievement. You developed and now you have fixed it in a showcase. Wow!

 

[GURU DUTT]

and this is the EL2052 radar which is secleted as intrim measure till UTTAM is fully ready

Betaa good achievement. You developed and now you have fixed it in a showcase. Wow!

no thats not right a version of it is already working in indian DRDO AWACS which has 280 degrees tracking & scanning capability upto 450KM each side and its now in IAF so dont worry we have three of them besides 3 phalcons while 2 next gen phalcons are on order

 

[aftab_s81]

Pakistani poster here should understand that LCA and JFT, though belong to same class, are entirely different programs with very different objectives. JFT was meant to fill up the numbers quickly as our mig-21s were aging. India on the other hand, had no such urgency. They had plenty of Su-30s, Mirages and Mig-29s. Tejas is a learning platform. Surely it will join IAF, but pace of program doesn't matter. What matters is grasp of technology and this is something they have achieve well. This will help them in their domestic MRCA. So don't make fun of LCA program, it is doing what its intended to do, jut try to understand the objects of LCA program. Personally I like they way Tejas is, a true fourth gen, light, nimble and simple birdy. @MastanKhan

 

[GURU DUTT]

Pakistani poster here should understand that LCA and JFT, though belong to same class, are entirely different programs

exactly for you its a prime frontline fighter/central forward-mid feilder while for us its last line of home land security point defnce fighter with SEAD/DEAD/presission bombing in secondarry role more like a goalkeeper and will always remain behind the shadows of in big boys IAF like MKI , rafale , Mig29, M2K , FGFA Jaguar and F16

 

[DarX]

Pakistani poster here should understand that LCA and JFT, though belong to same class, are entirely different programs

No Sir the LCA Tejas and JF-17 belong to the same class of planes. The difference is in the execution of the projects. While HAL has fallen into the trap of overdeveloping a product, the PAF closed the design so that the JF-17 could enter service in time to replace its retiring planes. As the JF-17 entered service in 2007, and new developments have been successfully incorporated, the newer more advanced models will be coming online while the oldest JF-17s would've completed a minimum of 15 years of service. Thus the LCA Tejas, when it enters service, should be compared with the JF-17s entering service at that time and which will obviously be carrying advancements themselves.

 

[aftab_s81]

No Sir the LCA Tejas and JF-17 belong to the same class of planes. The difference is in the execution of the projects. While HAL has fallen into the trap of overdeveloping a product, the PAF closed the design so that the JF-17 could enter service in time to replace its retiring planes. As the JF-17 entered service in 2007, and new developments have been successfully incorporated, the newer more advanced models will be coming online while the oldest JF-17s would've completed a minimum of 15 years of service. Thus the LCA Tejas, when it enters service, should be compared with the JF-17s entering service at that time and which will obviously be carrying advancements themselves.

Your point carries weight, but what you are missing is that, they are not in a hurry. They just don't need this. They are happy with their MKIs and Mig-29s. No doubt JFT was very well executed program but a slow LCA program doesn't hurt India. They can start churning out a fighter assembly anytime, look at the F-16 offers. They are deep pockets, they can afford it. We, other hand, have limited resources, and we did very well to achieve with little resources and limited time.

 

[gslv mk3]

So Hindustan is trying to get capabilities beyond what PAC Kamra has anything now, but has failed to even come close to what PAC Kamra has achieved presently.

Don't quote what I said out of it's context. HAL's present rate of production with LCA is the same as that of JF 17 today. They are trying to double it- we have already achieved it with both the Dhruv Helicopter & Su 30 MKI.

It can't be half as stupid as compared to what you've been doing on this thread.

Like claiming that JF 17 has more Pakistani content than LCA whenyou don't even produce it's complete airframe?

Hahahaha! Boasting about something you have not achieved.

AESA has not yet been integrated to more advanced programd like the Eurofighter so it is future tense for us too. In present tense however, they are modifying two LCA LSPs to integrate the Uttam for flight testing. 2019 is the time for the next design iteration, ie the LCA Mk1A of which IAF have ordered 103.

 

[DarX]

Pakistani poster here should understand that LCA and JFT, though belong to same class, are entirely different programs with very different objectives. JFT was meant to fill up the numbers quickly as our mig-21s were aging. India on the other hand, had no such urgency. They had plenty of Su-30s, Mirages and Mig-29s. Tejas is a learning platform. Surely it will join IAF, but pace of program doesn't matter. What matters is grasp of technology and this is something they have achieve well. This will help them in their domestic MRCA. So don't make fun of LCA program, it is doing what its intended to do, jut try to understand the objects of LCA program. Personally I like they way Tejas is, a true fourth gen, light, nimble and simple birdy. @MastanKhan

I don't think it is a correct assessment to say that the LCA Tejas was delayed because it did not carry the same priority as the JF-17. Delaying projects

Your point carries weight, but what you are missing is that, they are not in a hurry. They just don't need this. They are happy with their MKIs and Mig-29s. No doubt JFT was very well executed program but a slow LCA program doesn't hurt India. They can start churning out a fighter assembly anytime, look at the F-16 offers. They are deep pockets, they can afford it. We, other hand, have limited resources, and we did very well to achieve with little resources and limited time.

Air Marshal Dhanoa remarked that IAF's current lack of fighter jets is like playing with a team of 7 players instead of a full complement of 11. I don't think the LCA Tejas was delayed on purpose and neither are they happy about it. It seems like a consolation statement when one say's that the delay is fine because the IAF is has many other planes and it was a good learning process.

If the main benefit of the local manufacturing projects was learning how to build planes, then HAL would've learnt a lot from the HF-24 Marut to deliver the LCA Tejas, HAL HJT-36 and HAL HTT-40 on time.

 

[gslv mk3]

If the main benefit of the local manufacturing projects was learning how to build planes, then HAL would've learnt a lot from the HF-24 Marut to deliver the LCA Tejas

1.These projects are separated by 2 decades
2. LCA was not developed by HAL.

 

[DarX]

1.These projects are separated by 2 decades
2. LCA was not developed by HAL.

What was the point of developing the HF-24 if Hindustan was going to forget the experience within two decades? And why does Hindustan have multiple companies if it cannot leverage the experience gained in one project to avoid mismanaging the second one?

 

[gslv mk3]

What was the point of developing the HF-24 if Hindustan was going to forget the experience within two decades? And why does Hindustan have multiple companies if it cannot leverage the experience gained in one project to avoid mismanaging the second one?

There is no point. An program to develop a jet interceptor aircraft was scuttled in the 1970s & the Jaguar took it's place. ADA was constituted because HAL wasn't enough to handle such a big program- It's like soviet approach. In the place of TsAGI we have NAL, ADA is the design bureau (ala Mikoyan) & HAL is the production partner.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fighter-jet-proposals-after-hal-marut-before-hal-tejas.293471/

 

[aftab_s81]

I don't think it is a correct assessment to say that the LCA Tejas was delayed because it did not carry the same priority as the JF-17. Delaying projects


Air Marshal Dhanoa remarked that IAF's current lack of fighter jets is like playing with a team of 7 players instead of a full complement of 11. I don't think the LCA Tejas was delayed on purpose and neither are they happy about it. It seems like a consolation statement when one say's that the delay is fine because the IAF is has many other planes and it was a good learning process.

If the main benefit of the local manufacturing projects was learning how to build planes, then HAL would've learnt a lot from the HF-24 Marut to deliver the LCA Tejas, HAL HJT-36 and HAL HTT-40 on time.

This phenomena of 7 vs 11 comes in context to a two front war with China as well as Pak, and believe me, this is very new. It only emerged after 9/11 when US found a new ally, pumped Indians Bigly. Merkins are the enemy of south asia, they are enemies of Pak as well as India. They just want to keep their military industrial going, look at the Saudi deal? What will Saudies do with all these weapons when they love Israelis? Airforces around the world always cry hard to get more $$$s, Indians done nothing new. Two front war will never happen, China cannot sacrifice their economic progress for Pak. Hence the question of 7 vs 11 is a farce. No reality. They already have enough weapons, at least enough for Pak, and they know it.