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[Ankit Kumar]

If we have 6 LCA before the next FY. Really HAL would have done a huge and tremendous job.

 

[cerberus]

If we have 6 LCA before the next FY. Really HAL would have done a huge and tremendous job.

If they can produce Sukhoi-30 at rate of 12, per annum which still based on 20% foreign supply
LCA is a small game
But ,they can surely make LCA in shortspan it's depend on how fast GE deliver there engines

 

[Kraitcorp]

 

[Terminator]

BENGALURU: Indian Air Force will raise the first squadron of home-grown Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas with the induction of two aircraft into the force in Bengaluru on Friday.

State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will hand over the first two Tejas aircraft to the Air Force which will make up the 'Flying Daggers' 45, the name of the first squadron of the LCA.

The LCA squadron induction ceremony will be held at the Aircraft System Testing Establishment in the presence of Air Marshal Jasbir Walia, Air Officer Commanding-in Chief, Southern Air Command, officials said.

The aircraft are likely to perform a sortie during the induction ceremony.

The squadron will be based in Bengaluru for the first two years before being moved to Sulur in Tamil Nadu.
Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, who on May 17 took his maiden flight in Tejas, had termed the aircraft as "good" for induction .

Air Force has said the idea is to have a total of six aircraft this financial year and about eight in the next.
Tejas will feature in combat plan of the IAF next year and will be deployed in forward bases also, it has said.

Stating that LCA squadron should be formed by July, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had earlier this month said, "Next year I think two MiG-21 squadrons are being decommissioned; this will go into initially replacing them."

LCAs are better than the MiGs which are old and their parts are difficult to get, he had said.

All squadrons of Tejas will have 20 planes in total, including four in reserve.

As per the plan, while 20 would be inducted under the "Initial Operational Clearance", another 20 will be inducted later with Beyond Visual Range Missile (BVR) and some other features.
IAF plans to induct over 80 aircraft with better specifications known as Tejas 1A.
The upgraded version of Tejas, with Active Electrically Scanned Array Radar, Unified Electronic Warfare Suite, mid-air refuelling capacity and advanced beyond the vision range missiles, will cost between Rs 275 crore and Rs 300 crore.
While the idea to have an indigenous fighter aircraft was conceptualised in 1970s, actual work started on the aircraft only in the 1980s and the first flight took place in January 2001.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-Air-Force-on-Friday/articleshow/52992473.cms

Welcome on board Tejas Sir!!

 

[Manas]

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/time...raft-its-due-1426564?pfrom=home-lateststories

New Delhi:
It's been almost every Air Chief's favourite whipping boy - an Indian-built fighter jet delayed so inordinately that it came to be seen as a promise that would never be kept.

But three decades after the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft went into development, there is a grudging acceptance that the fighter which will be officially inducted into the Air Force tomorrow in Bengaluru is, in many ways, world-class.

While the delay in delivery cannot be justified, there have been fierce debates on why that happened. State-run Hindustan Aeronautics or HAL, which is the lead player in the Tejas project, says the air force kept shifting the goal post on what exactly it wanted from the jet. The manufacturer also says it was hit by sanctions imposed by the US after the Pokhran nuclear test in 1998, which placed crucial technology out of reach.

The Air Force, for its part, has insisted there are better options available in the world market, jets built by manufacturers who have been in the business of military aviation for decades. The Tejas, they have argued in the past, will be obsolete by the time it enters Air Force squadron service.

Except it isn't. Not in the least.

Equipped with a modern Israeli multi-mode radar, the Elta 2032, state-of-the-art Derby air-to-air missiles to attack enemy jets, and modern laser designator and targeting pods to hit ground targets, the Tejas is, in many ways, as capable as the French-built Mirage 2000, the aircraft used by HAL as its benchmark. Every pilot that has tested the jet has sworn by the Tejas's flight control system and the ease with which it manoeuvres. Not a single Tejas fighter has been lost to an accident during flight tests during 3,000 sorties.

Confronted by these facts, critics of the jet say the Tejas is not indigenous at all. They point out that the engine is American, its radar and weapons Israeli, its ejection seat British -all that in addition to several other imported systems and subsystems. HAL counters that leading Western designs like the French Rafale and the Swedish Gripen also have imported systems because it's simply too expensive and too time-consuming to develop components that have been perfected and are available for purchase.

So has the Tejas programme added to India's engineering and scientific knowledge? It has. The fly-by-wire system gives computer-controlled inputs to charter the flight of the aircraft - and it's completely Indian. To deal with enemy jets, the Mission Computer which processes data provided by sensors like the radar is Indian. In fact, the hardware and the software of the Mission Computer has been designed around an open architecture framework which means that it can be upgraded in the future. The jet itself is constructed using Indian-made carbon fibre composites which are light-weight and ultra-strong alternatives to metal. A host of general systems dealing with everything from fuel management to steering of the nose-wheel are all made in India. A key sensor, the Tarang Radar Warning Radar, which lets the pilot know of enemy aircraft or surface-to-air missiles in the vicinity of the Tejas, is also Indian.

Modern fighter aircraft, including the air force's top gun, the Sukhoi - 30, are notoriously unreliable and maintenance-heavy. Less than 60 per cent of Sukhoi fleet is available at any one time to conduct missions, a huge concern for the air force. HAL says the Tejas will be available more than 70 per cent of the time when called in for missions and are targeting a minimum of 80 per cent, far in excess of what the IAF is presently able to achieve with most of its other jets.

Tomorrow, when the Indian Air Force's 45 squadron, the "Flying Daggers", take ownership of their first fighters, the Tejas programme will have turned over to an all-new page. As a light fighter based on requirements that were last updated more than a decade ago , the Tejas will never be among the best fighters in the world. It will, however, provide the Indian Air Force far more than what they had initially wanted - a MiG-21 replacement.


In the Tejas, the air force has a modern fighter which will only get better through modifications and additions to its capabilities.

 

[I M Sikander]

Yet another thread on ever ending plus points of LCA =Late coming aircraft.

Bus Kar dae bhai.

 

[Kinetic]

Yet another thread on ever ending plus points of LCA =Late coming aircraft.

Bus Kar dae bhai.

Whats your problem? Its a good replacement for Mig-21 as light weight fighter.

 

[SQ8]

While these feel good articles are aplenty; they ignore the major issues that Tejas has which keep it from ever being what it was supposed to be and likely a failed program. That onus lies on the project management by both HAL in terms of those glaring ignorance of operational needs and the IAF for moving goalposts and purposely keeping the program delayed via it.

Also merging these various articles to the main Tejas thread.

 

[Abingdonboy]

they ignore the major issues that Tejas has which keep it from ever being what it was supposed to be and likely a failed program

The LCA was orginally intended to be a simple replacement for the MiG-21 to fulfil the air defence role, nothing more, nothing less. Now they are intergrating an AESA radar, ASPJ, IFR probe etc etc to go along with the advanced features already existing within the platform.

Not to mention they have gone so far as to create FOUR versions of the LCA and begun doing crazy things like this that it was clearly NEVER intended to be doing:

And yet it is still claimed the project is a "failure"..........hilarious.



I have a lot of respect for you @Oscar sir but for anyone to make remarks such as these is beyond absurd.

 

[SQ8]

The LCA was orginally intended to be a simple replacement for the MiG-21 to fulfil the air defence role, nothing more, nothing less. Now they are intergrating an AESA radar, ASPJ, IFR probe etc etc to go along with the advanced features already existing within the platform.

Not to mention they have gone so far as to create FOUR versions of the LCA and begun doing crazy things like this that it was clearly NEVER intended to be doing:

And yet it is still claimed the project is a "failure"..........hilarious.



I have a lot of respect for you @Oscar sir but for anyone to make remarks such as these is beyond absurd.

Please read my posts carefully before jumping to copy pastes of pictures that mean zip to me and qualify as absurd jingoism.
I mentioned that Tejas the platform has a good future, but Tejas or LCA the program to supply the IAF with a light fighter to replace the Mig-21 is a failure.

Please have a look in this very thread on why the Tejas cannot even get basic maintenance routines done without extensive disassembly or as to all those capabilities that you keep mentioning are still "in progress" that I have been hearing about as long as I have been following the program.

You can have a great idea on paper, but if you cannot manage that idea or agree to a cohesive implementation for it; then it is nothing more than a failure.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I mentioned that Tejas the platform has a good future, but Tejas or LCA the program to supply the IAF with a light fighter to replace the Mig-21 is a failure.

As of July 1 2016 this will be a reality.

Please have a look in this very thread on why the Tejas cannot even get basic maintenance routines done without extensive disassembly

As most new platforms that are not in series production and are yet to see widespread service, they will naturally be worked out in time.

or as to all those capabilities that you keep mentioning are still "in progress" that I have been hearing about as long as I have been following the program.

Well there are definete timelines in place now and to be honest I don't know if what you say is entirely accurate s much of what I have mentioned was never part of the orginal MK.1 roadmap and have only been proposed under the Mk.1A which was pushed by the current GoI.

 

[SQ8]

As of July 1 2016 this will be a reality.


As most new platforms that are not in series production and are yet to see widespread service, they will naturally be worked out in time.


Well there are definete timelines in place now and to be honest I don't know if what you say is entirely accurate s much of what I have mentioned was never part of the orginal MK.1 roadmap and have only been proposed under the Mk.1A which was pushed by the current GoI.

What sort of reality? with 4 jets that require going back to HAL for anything beyond changing the tires and fluids?

Tejas is not a new platform is it? 4 Jan 2001.. that is OVER 15 YEARS to it putting some 4 jets into the hand of its main customer?

There were definite timelines in place years ago, yet the IAF keeps changing its goalposts and the project's supply chain cant seem to get even a Radome right. So regardless of who or what was to blame, it does not change the reality that is the Tejas program; failed in its objective to give the IAF a fighter to replace older airframes.

All that you are providing so far are what if's and excuses which we are all already aware of very well. Reposting those does not help identify the core problem with the program; which is mismanagement and dishonesty in purpose by both the IAF and other vested interests.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What sort of reality? with 4 jets that require going back to HAL for anything beyond changing the tires and fluids?

4 jets intially with a full strength SQN within 18 months, it remains to be seen what operational difficulties arise and if they do this is why the first SQN is intially based at HAL's airport before shifting to Sular from 2018 onwards.

Tejas is not a new platform is it? 4 Jan 2001.. that is OVER 15 YEARS to it putting some 4 jets into the hand of its main customer?

A weird metric sir, plenty of modern jets and military projects have taken just as long, if not longer, to enter operational service.

There were definite timelines in place years ago, yet the IAF keeps changing its goalposts and the project's supply chain cant seem to get even a Radome right. So regardless of who or what was to blame, it does not change the reality that is the Tejas program; failed in its objective to give the IAF a fighter to replace older airframes.

All that you are providing so far are what if's and excuses which we are all already aware of very well. Reposting those does not help identify the core problem with the program; which is mismanagement and dishonesty in purpose by both the IAF and other vested interests.

I'm not going to deny the project has failed to meet many of its orginal deadlines and the reasons for this are diverse and well known but I think it would be foolish to look at past failures and extrapolate future failure. Additionally, it would be equally foolish to ignore that under this new GoI there has been a change in the fortunes of the project and a tangible uptake in the project's output as it receives governmental support and just as importantly, scrutiny that it had been missing in the past. The timelines now in place are more justifiable and credible as a result, alas the proof will be in the pudding.