HAL secures copter order from Peru

[Flintlock]

^^^Vish, how can we say with any certainty how the Dhruv compares with other similar products in terms of performance?

 

[vish]

^^^Vish, how can we say with any certainty how the Dhruv compares with other similar products in terms of performance?

We cannot; specifications, too, can be misleading.

I'm sorry if my posts state otherwise.

I just wanted to say that the Dhruv, in all likelyhood, is not the best and also may not be better than most.

It does offer bang for the buck and does the job it was meant to do rather well.

 

[Flintlock]

We cannot; specifications, too, can be misleading.

I'm sorry if my posts state otherwise.

I just wanted to say that the Dhruv, in all likelyhood, is not the best and also may not be better than most.

It does offer bang for the buck and does the job it was meant to do rather well.

How does it compare in terms of specs?

 

[Flintlock]

Also. I think all aerial vehicles are given some sort of airworthiness/safety certifications.

What sort of certification has the Dhruv been able to obtain?

All I got is this line from Wikipedia:

Flight certification for Europe and North America is also being planned, in order to tap the large civilian market there.

I'm guessing that HAL will have to get it certified by Europeans/Americans in order to convince buyers.

 

[vish]

How does it compare in terms of specs?

As in? I really think I've misunderstood you.

I ain't an expert so I cannot look at specifications and say anything than the obvious (which bird has better speed, fuel consumption, etc.)

 

[SU 30 MKI]

Still you can dance around it as much as you guys like. The simple truth is that no one really wants the Druv.
I could argue that the IA only bought them after arm twisting from the Govt. what you are telling me is that you have sold maybe (And I dispute these figures) that you have sold maybe 5/6 Druv's. Frankly if the product was as good as claimed you would have people beating your door down for it.

You created a product for a saturated market. Where the opponent has better product, better marketing, and better support.

Well military depends on many factors...... that's why u gone for JF 17 then F16 which combat worthiness ????? If your JF 17 is more then F16 then why not NATO coming for you f16 to replace its F16

Well Big deals depends on political power also, if US govt obviously influenced the deal.......

It not a big deal big deals depends on political factor also, DHruv is good system .

 

[Keysersoze]

Well military depends on many factors...... that's why u gone for JF 17 then F16 which combat worthiness ????? If your JF 17 is more then F16 then why not NATO coming for you f16 to replace its F16

Well Big deals depends on political power also, if US govt obviously influenced the deal.......

It not a big deal big deals depends on political factor also, DHruv is good system .

Oh dear SU-30 did you really feel a need to come on here and try to flame?

Go away you sad little boy, adults are talking here.

YOu have no clue

 

[EagleEyes]

I admire the marketing technique and cheap cost of this aircraft. The lower the price, the higher the chances.

However, this is hardly a success.

 

[nitesh]

I admire the marketing technique and cheap cost of this aircraft. The lower the price, the higher the chances.

However, this is hardly a success.

Webby, are you trying to say that this sales is not a success?

If I am correct then on which parameter?

 

[Flintlock]

Give it a rest guys....we'll know in time whether the Dhruv is a marketable product outside the country.

The Indian Army, Airforce, Coast Guard, and several Indian PSUs are using Dhruv helicopters with no complaints.
The Army uses them in inhospitable places like Siachen and reports excellent performance.

Till then we can only allege this and that, and never conclude anything.

 

[p2prada]

The greatest critic to the DRDO, HAL or in general anything indigenous is the Indian Army. If they bought it without a fuss, then it is a system worth taking notice of.

 

[Keysersoze]

Navy Plans to Ditch Dhruv Helicopters


(Source: Hindustan Times; published June 12, 2008)



NEW DELHI --- The Indian Navy has virtually written off the naval variant of the advanced light helicopter (ALH), Dhruv, saying it has failed to meet basic operational requirements. The navy, which operates a fleet of six ALHs, has decided against placing further orders with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

A senior navy official told HT, “The ALH has a long way to go before the programme matures sufficiently for it to undertake basic naval roles such as search and rescue (SAR) and communication duties.” He said the helicopter’s ASW (anti-submarine warfare) version developed by HAL still falls short of naval expectations.

Navy officials said that the ALH lacks the desired endurance for mission requirements. The navy is also not satisfied with the chopper’s rotor blade folding mechanism for storage on warships and its payload capacity. The navy has launched a global hunt for new ASW helicopters to replace its ageing fleet of Sea King helicopters.

However, HAL remains buoyant about domestic helicopter sale prospects with the defence ministry entrusting it with the task of developing light utility helicopters for the army and the air force. The ministry has allocated Rs 435 crore for this. The defence public sector undertaking is focusing aggressively on the helicopter business and plans to set up a new helicopter division in Bangalore.

 

[Keysersoze]

I think this shows how the helicopter is being shoved down the services throats


Govt may stick to Dhruv, despite ‘no’ from Navy
Huma Siddiqui
Posted online: Friday , June 20, 2008 at 2218 hrs IST





New Delhi, Jun 15 The defence ministry appears to be harping on making the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) designed and manufactured, Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH), ‘Dhruv’ a lethal platform for the military services, despite a reported shrug from the very own country’s Navy, citing lack of basic operational requirements.

The silent endorsement of the ALH Dhruv came during the recent two day visit of defence minister AK Antony, accompanied by a high-level delegation including the chief of army staff general Deepak Kapoor, defence secretary Vijay Singh and senior defence and home ministry officials to the line of control (LoC). The minister flew in the special helicopter ‘Dhruv’ to Balbir Post, in Baramulla sector along the LoC.

Sources in the defence ministry told FE that “the efficacy of the ALH `Dhruv’ too was discussed by the high-level delegation, which found the ‘Dhruv’ a `very good’ helicopter and how it should be inducted in the services.”

“We are committed to encourage our defence establishments in the indigenous production of aircraft, helicopters, and other equipment to achieve self-reliance and face challenges in defending the country,” sources added.

This assumes significance in the backdrop of the Indian Navy reportedly writing off the naval version of the ALH, saying it has failed to meet basic operational requirements. The Navy, which operates a fleet of six ALHs, has decided against placing further orders with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). According to senior officials in the Indian Navy, the indigenous ALH lacks the desired endurance for mission requirements.

Infact, last year, what was expected to be a big deal in the international market, ALH which was shortlisted by the Chilean army for 8-10 machines, lost the deal to the American company Bell Helicopters. The Dhruv has also been exported to Nepal and Israel, and is also being considered for purchase by Bolivia and Peru. However, HAL remains upbeat about its sales as the ministry of defence has recently entrusted it with the task of developing light utility helicopters for the army and the air force. And for this Rs 435 crore has been allocated by the MoD. HAL has recorded the sales of Rs 8,350 crore last year, which was 50% of all defence public sector undertakings, and also had an export earning to the tune of Rs 325 crore.

The DPSU in its recent meeting with the defence minister had said that it has big plans for focusing on the...

 

[vish]

Key:

The above mentioned topic has been discussed already.

The IN has decided against the Dhruv for it needs a heavy high-endurance helicopter; Dhruv isn't one.

What the MoD is doing is "suggesting" and "advising" to the IN to adopt the helicopter for the "larger good."

Whether this will happen or not is anybody's guess.

The IA and IAF have inducted the helicopter in full-swing.

 

[Keysersoze]

Key:

The above mentioned topic has been discussed already.

The IN has decided against the Dhruv for it needs a heavy high-endurance helicopter; Dhruv isn't one.

What the MoD is doing is "suggesting" and "advising" to the IN to adopt the helicopter for the "larger good."

Whether this will happen or not is anybody's guess.

The IA and IAF have inducted the helicopter in full-swing.

So What have they decided to replace the Chetak with? Also why are the govt deciding to ram the aircraft down the navies throat?

And maybe the IA and IAF have decided to think of the "larger good" as well.