HAL pushes HTT-40 as light attack platform

[Bullet500]

lol total bs...are we back in 1930's? Just throw these babus out and privatize the fcukin hal

 

[sardar1987]

Why is HAL hell bent on pushing the case of HTT 40.
It took an agonizing wait and very unfortunate crashes and loss of life before IAF could get its hands on Good trainers and now that IAF has started to feel comforatble about its training program with Hawk and Pilatus, HAL has gone to mamma crying when they should actually be introspecting, why IJT, after so much money and time is still a non-starter. They've already fooled IAF with Sitara and given the history i doubt there will be any takers for this prop driven plane as well.



& not to mention a far superior and matured product as well.

Just read a few cag reports i posted on rafale thread on hal
According to those 90% of the components of dhruv are foreign!!!..............And its 2010-11 report
This is one shameful organization and anyone who still thinks they know anything except assembling stuff is living on fool's paradise

lol total bs...are we back in 1930's? Just throw these babus out and privatize the fcukin hal

Totally agree........pls go to new rafale thread and see my last 5 posts on hal privatization and cag reports completely exposing drdo and hal.



1)I don't doubt HAL but just like any public company it has its problems and time has come to divide it into divisions and privatize it...........reason?
a)govt can never provide enough budget for good focused research
b) Forget me from telling this but only 50% of hal employees are from general quota so say what u may,,,,a private company with indipendent recruitment is poised to do better
c)There has been questions raised on the quality of engines being overhauled at the hal and a specific petition has been filed by a pilot in supreme court in this regard
d)Yes hal can do the things u mention but is that ideal??
its not buddy,look at any indian public company,,except oil and defence psu's
all are making heavy loses.Why not hal makes loss..........simply because it is
the only company dealing with aerospace in india and getting all the orders.
e)People are just cursing me here but if the above steps are not taken as soon as possible in 10-15 years we are gonna
suffer and suffer a lot


f)Due to the menial work of manufacturing the aircrafts under the tot we hal just cannot spare time for indigenous work,niether the money...............the proof is that we are spending like 800-900 million dollars per year out of defence budget of 40 billion plus,,,and this paltry sum cannot do anything as evidenced from

1)failure to make a basic trainer
2)failure to make ijt
3)heck look at tejas(although iaf is to be blamed more)


Dude what can hal do if they get no money??
What can they do if private industry participation is zero due to foolish govt policies??
Which aviation industry does so many things as HAL..................NONE............WHY:because its inefficient
So i think this deal gives a chance to govt to restructure HAL

MY SOLUTION

1)Divide it into 4-5 diff divisions and auction at least 50% stake to a private partner:Govt will retain some portion and private party will invest for profits and ppl will actually fear for their jobs

2)Give at least 5-10% of defence budget for research

Yes u may say i am talking nonsense or don't understand the working but look anywhere in the world

GOVT AGENCIES CAN WORK BUT THEY CAN NEVER BE EFFICIENT

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/187205...under-cag-fire
http://articles.economictimes.indiat...s-cag-raps-iaf
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/08/06/c...not-up-to.html
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ha...price/1153404/

and this last one is just telling us our real condition
http://newindianexpress.com/cities/b...?service=print

http://corruptionindrdo.com/2013/07/...rganigation-2/
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...hal-rs-43.html
http://www.cag.gov.in/html/reports/d..._AFN/chap5.pdf
http://www.ibtl.in/news/opinion/2029...ring-dinosaur/
http://www.cag.gov.in/reports/defenc...ook2/chap3.htm
Read this from 2010-11 audit report on dhruv

The consultant recommended for indigenisation level of fifty
per cent
of purchases of
raw material and bought out items by the year 2008. However, 90
per cent
of the value of
material used in each helicopter is still imported from foreign suppliers. Even though
ALH is in production for 10 years, the Company has not been able to identify alternative
indigenous suppliers.

from the report of 2009-10

"Defence Public Sector Undertakings were established to provide the Armed
Forces state of the art equipments and to enhance country’s self reliance in
defence production. In a distinct case of
role reversal, the Ministry procured
outdated Missiles of 1970s vintage worth Rs 587 crore in 2008 merely to
favour Bharat Dynamics Limited. The Missiles procured were not only of
lower capabilities in terms of the range but also did not meet the Army’s long
term objective of acquiring third gene
ration missiles which were available in
the market "
And i have specially included the CAG reports on kaveri engine and the arjun mbt(full reports)

All point to the obvious that i stated above

I rest my case

 

[帅的一匹]

To be honest, this one is not entitiled to fight even in world war 2. HAL-how?

 

[AADHAAR]

To be honest, this one is not entitiled to fight even in world war 2. HAL-how?

And yet, it's better than 95% of "planes" (if they can be called so!) of prc "air force" !

Off course, it's worse than the Su-30MKK, which comprise the remaining 5%.

 

[sardar1987]

And yet, it's better than 95% of "planes" (if they can be called so!) of prc "air force" !

Off course, it's worse than the Su-30MKK, which comprise the remaining 5%.

Man don't delude urself.......truth be told

 

[invincible]

Isse kya passenger flight ko girayenge..

 

[sardar1987]

HAL = Hindustan's ailing limited

 

[Anurag Rathore]

i would choose a 4 decade old bison over this
but instead of pilaytus iaf should have been choosed this
although it is inferior but some no. of this would have been boost to indegenous equipment

 

[sardar1987]

i would choose a 4 decade old bison over this
but instead of pilaytus iaf should have been choosed this
although it is inferior but some no. of this would have been boost to indegenous equipment

NOT COMPLETE YET

PLUS AFTER READING CAG REPORTS my indigenisation myth has been broken as more than 90% of stuff is imported
its just like assembly buy without tot

shameless babus and this chai-biscuit organisation

On the other thread sandy is still asking me proof of hal's failure

 

[Anurag Rathore]

NOT COMPLETE YET

PLUS AFTER READING CAG REPORTS my indigenisation myth has been broken as more than 90% of stuff is imported
its just like assembly buy without tot

shameless babus and this chai-biscuit organisation

On the other thread sandy is still asking me proof of hal's failure

he is a sick guy
i dint read the cag report

 

[acetophenol]

police and Paramilitary forces can use them only

Hardly there would be a situation in India in which Police and Paramilitary forces will have to use guns,let alone an attack aircraft.

 

[senkakudefender]

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[Imran Khan]

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[GR!FF!N]

well,Light Attack Platform/armed recon isn't a bad idea after all,but not applicable for IAF...if they can pull this out as a better than Pilatus Mk-II,then might be they can sell the light attack variant to some other country..but hell,they have very wrong timing..if they could pull this us few years ago,IAF might even select this aircraft as basic trainer..but now??? they should try Army or Coast Guard..they might be interested..IA's dream to get a airforce for their own use might get fulfilled..

 

[phylumchordata]

wake me up .. it feels like 1940s...