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HAL needs an overhaul
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd needs to shed non-core divisions to improve productivity
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The website of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has the photograph and biodata of its new chairman-nothing odd about this, except around him are aircraft models that exemplify what's wrong with HAL: a Tejas fighter that achieved Initial Operational Clearance after 30 years of programme inception, a fifth-generation fighter that is embroiled in controversy with the Russian co-developers, and an Intermediate Jet Trainer which has been stillborn.

HAL was established with the hope of making India self-sufficient in the manufacture of military aircraft. Starting with the HT-2 basic trainer in the 1950s and graduating to designing the HF-24 Marut with the help of Kurk Tank, the beginning was not inauspicious. The government backed it with liberal funding but the company never took off as desired. The result, after seven decades, is that Indian military aviation is predominantly, if not almost fully, equipped with imported or licence-built aircraft. Where it leaves the nation's strategic autonomy is anyone's guess but before suggestions for sorting out the mess are discussed, a comparison with Embraer of Brazil would lay the foundation of the arguments.

Embraer, set up in 1969 as a state-owned firm, was a good two decades behind HAL. Privatised in 1994, its profit before tax (PBT) in 2013 was Rs.35,809 million with deliveries of more than 5,000 aircraft worldwide. Embraer focuses on small commercial and business jets, exports the Tucano and Super Tucano military trainers (including to the UK and US) and stays clear of helicopters, engine manufacture and overhauls. It is an efficient integrator and with a lean workforce of 19,000 its productivity is Rs.1,857 per employee. HAL, on the other hand, is a state-owned behemoth and barring miniscule exports to a few countries, its customers are captive-the Indian armed forces. With a PBT of only Rs.3,578 million, its 35,000-strong force has a productivity of just Rs.102 per employee! With no market competition, quoting it as an example of inefficiency would be a gross understatement. It is time to drastically reform HAL through a structured plan.

Firstly, though HAL is not in the same league as Boeing or Airbus, it has a finger in all types of aviation, and in space too; HAL needs to be re-structured to become a true aircraft integrator, with many divisions hived out to make independent manageable firms. Thus, its engine divisions, accessories and helicopter divisions, which incidentally has had success in the Advanced Light Helicopter and Light Combat Helicopter programme, should be made independent entities; the space division could well be given to ISRO. Private players need to be brought in on a risk-sharing basis to usher in professional project management and accountability, a term alien to HAL's work ethic and culture. Should HAL be running a helicopter training school and a management training academy in Bangalore? The government's involvement, thus, needs drastic reduction with only a 'golden share' to be used in national interest.

Secondly, decide whether HAL should design aircraft, or DRDO. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), another monolith under DRDO, was created to design the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) even though an Aircraft Design Bureau exists in HAL; this bruised a lot of egos resulting in a rocky transition to manufacturing at HAL from the design and prototype testing stage at ADA. Steps must be taken to retain expertise and institutional knowledge generated from the costly LCA programme for use in subsequent projects. Incidentally, when there is an HAL and an ADA, is the National Aerospace Laboratory needed? Pray, what useful work has it done except on the ill-fated 14-seat Saras project? And now it is believed that a new 'vehicle' is being created with HAL to design a 70-90 seat aircraft! C'mon, someone must be joking!

Thirdly, the DNA of the aircraft designers' pool needs to be invigorated. It is time to infuse fresh ideas and energy by appealing to the Indian diaspora, which is doing wonders with foreign aircraft manufacturers and design agencies such as Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and NASA, to return home as the Chinese have done. It goes without saying that salaries would have to be commensurate with the expertise sought. Disinvestment would enable this. In the interim, India must realise that, with 70 per cent of its armaments being imported, it still retains a buyer's clout that should be exercised to demand technology.

Fourthly, HAL (and the new companies hived out) must be headed by aviation professionals whose credentials must be indicative of the government's acceptance of the fact that the aviation R&D and manufacturing sector needs drastic intervention and not band-aid prescriptions.

Lastly, if one throws a stone from the HAL airfield in Bangalore, nine times out of ten it will hit an aerospace establishment; these multitudes must be made answerable for India's shameful tag of being the world's largest arms importer. And shouldn't the Department of Defence Production, whose task it is to set and monitor policies, be guilt- and remorse-free?

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd needs to shed non-core divisions to improve productivity : Special Report - India Today
 
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Yeah very generic article by India today, Similar to why India Today cannot be a Time magazine, unless DNA of their journalists is invigorated, or mahindra is no BMW, or Infosys is no microsoft, or South Block is no Pentagon.....

Reforms need from southblock top down , not the other way around. HAL is a tool, how it is used is up to the MoD....
 
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Where it went wrong for HAL just from here The R&D effort of HF 24 was however not taken forward due to various sins of commission and omission on the part of all stakeholders and especially for want of a suitable engine.Indian aerospace industry thus lost more than two decades, and started again from the drawing board stage with the LCA. All the aerospace and aircraft industrial countries have integrated the commercial and economic viability issues including the most important aspect of slotting the global supply chain, as the fundamental basis of all their policies and strategies with reference to creating their aerospace capabilities. This is clearly absent in our case and universities, private companies and military labs need to lean on each other for research, this is not the case so don't blame HAL Alone
 
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Thanks for Quoting and Yes Sancho is expert though not me but I would like to share the some my own view regarding the points.



"skysthelimit, post: 6779245, member: 144160"]HAL needs an overhaul
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd needs to shed non-core divisions to improve productivity​
The website of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has the photograph and biodata of its new chairman-nothing odd about this, except around lhim are aircraft models that exemplify what's wrong with HAL: a Tejas fighter that achieved Initial Operational Clearance after 30 years of programme inception,
The Tejas program was the initial program and we had to start from the Zero, as that New fighter, The delay is for No.of reasons, One is Not 30 yrs but Just 20 yrs programme it is. Yes on paper the permission was granted, but the finance was only given after the 10 yrs of permission. No-2 one officer I forget the name was become the scape got of politics running in the HAL and which delay the program. There is need of unity like ISRO rather to permit the politics(Office politics like corporate sectors) in the HAL like big firm. Tejas was initially for only to change the Mig-21 and it has lots quality, by time the need are change, and new technology make tejas more smart. Defence minister mr. antony press on HAL to complete the process of the Initial clearance and that pressure lead to complete it other wise they might be even not completed till now. we got problems that we need everything indegineous and when we lack we not wanna compromise, though later we do the same. In LCA we lack tech for engine, but we do not compromise, and later we make joint venture with the other foreign company who also did not make it perfact. (We have bad experience as per my view for geting the engine perfact even after JV, so that is also cost loss, though we get new single cristal tech by nickle alloy or something), China also failed to make engine for its su-30 version J-11 and J-16, they purchase it from russia and did not waste the time.
a fifth-generation fighter that is embroiled in controversy with the Russian co-developers, and an Intermediate Jet Trainer which has been stillborn.
Hal was not responsible for the same, and yes If Russian do not want to leave anything and we lost by not have part for 25% or 50%, why should we condemn them, Let them fight to get more share, its in our benifit, so no issue if HAL ask for more share. for Jet Trainer where it lacks is question which i don't know, i read thesome wing problem which can be solve. and see that Air Force is not Interested in getting any thing Indian and Interested in foreign mall. when there is lack need to either purchase the technology, material or copy-paste, instead waste the time.


HAL was established with the hope of making India self-sufficient in the manufacture of military aircraft. Starting with the HT-2 basic trainer in the 1950s and graduating to designing the HF-24 Marut with the help of Kurk Tank, the beginning was not inauspicious. The government backed it with liberal funding but the company never took off as desired. The result, after seven decades, is that Indian military aviation is predominantly, if not almost fully, equipped with imported or licence-built aircraft. Where it leaves the nation's strategic autonomy is anyone's guess but before suggestions for sorting out the mess are discussed, a comparison with Embraer of Brazil would lay the foundation of the arguments.
In case of the Marut Political game played and project was derailed, this fighter was used in the 1965 and perhaps also in 19171 and perform better without lost of Single Fighter. The real problem was came when the Airforce ask for the Hypersonic. Marut Engine was built from some British company who ready to make modification of their engines by adding the After Burner into it, But Instead Government decided to purchase the new Fighter. There are people in Bureaucracy who are extremely interested in their own interest rather to the country. Mr. Nehru had always bad company one was defence minister Menon, who was made the first corruption in the name of the Jeep purchasing. This is really problematic as Defence Minister or peosonal are never be Techno envy and Babus misused their lack of knowledge, Mr.Antony once said that Sachiv(IAS officers) do not follow his order, and I think their is need to play active roll by government against them.

Embraer, set up in 1969 as a state-owned firm, was a good two decades behind HAL. Privatised in 1994, its profit before tax (PBT) in 2013 was Rs.35,809 million with deliveries of more than 5,000 aircraft worldwide. Embraer focuses on small commercial and business jets, exports the Tucano and Super Tucano military trainers (including to the UK and US) and stays clear of helicopters, engine manufacture and overhauls. It is an efficient integrator and with a lean workforce of 19,000 its productivity is Rs.1,857 per employee. HAL, on the other hand, is a state-owned behemoth and barring miniscule exports to a few countries, its customers are captive-the Indian armed forces. With a PBT of only Rs.3,578 million, its 35,000-strong force has a productivity of just Rs.102 per employee! With no market competition, quoting it as an example of inefficiency would be a gross understatement. It is time to drastically reform HAL through a structured plan.
Merely the starting of company is not enough there is need of Good Employees who can do the the best, the Political appointments in this field is become the hurdles. there is need free and Country lover patriot who do the achievements. the lack of funds etc. are also become the hurdles for the Programs. like ISRO we need one Institution with all responsibility with its projects. The Knowledge and Ideas are important, first its strike in mind and then the reality is happen. For lack of funds, and Office politics, lack of freedom for do new things, lack of Intelligent, who leave the DRDO and join other organisations are reasponsible for the lack in program though By LCA they achieve the good goal.

Firstly, though HAL is not in the same league as Boeing or Airbus, it has a finger in all types of aviation, and in space too; HAL needs to be re-structured to become a true aircraft integrator, with many divisions hived out to make independent manageable firms. Thus, its engine divisions, accessories and helicopter divisions, which incidentally has had success in the Advanced Light Helicopter and Light Combat Helicopter programme, should be made independent entities; the space division could well be given to ISRO. Private players need to be brought in on a risk-sharing basis to usher in professional project management and accountability, a term alien to HAL's work ethic and culture. Should HAL be running a helicopter training school and a management training academy in Bangalore? The government's involvement, thus, needs drastic reduction with only a 'golden share' to be used in national interest.


Secondly, decide whether HAL should design aircraft, or DRDO. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), another monolith under DRDO, was created to design the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) even though an Aircraft Design Bureau exists in HAL; this bruised a lot of egos resulting in a rocky transition to manufacturing at HAL from the design and prototype testing stage at ADA. Steps must be taken to retain expertise and institutional knowledge generated from the costly LCA programme for use in subsequent projects. Incidentally, when there is an HAL and an ADA, is the National Aerospace Laboratory needed? Pray, what useful work has it done except on the ill-fated 14-seat Saras project? And now it is believed that a new 'vehicle' is being created with HAL to design a 70-90 seat aircraft! C'mon, someone must be joking!

Thirdly, the DNA of the aircraft designers' pool needs to be invigorated. It is time to infuse fresh ideas and energy by appealing to the Indian diaspora, which is doing wonders with foreign aircraft manufacturers and design agencies such as Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and NASA, to return home as the Chinese have done. It goes without saying that salaries would have to be commensurate with the expertise sought. Disinvestment would enable this. In the interim, India must realise that, with 70 per cent of its armaments being imported, it still retains a buyer's clout that should be exercised to demand technology.

Fourthly, HAL (and the new companies hived out) must be headed by aviation professionals whose credentials must be indicative of the government's acceptance of the fact that the aviation R&D and manufacturing sector needs drastic intervention and not band-aid prescriptions.

Lastly, if one throws a stone from the HAL airfield in Bangalore, nine times out of ten it will hit an aerospace establishment; these multitudes must be made answerable for India's shameful tag of being the world's largest arms importer. And shouldn't the Department of Defence Production, whose task it is to set and monitor policies, be guilt- and remorse-free?



Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd needs to shed non-core divisions to improve productivity : Special Report - India Today[/QUOTE]

Well few points:
(1) Let the HAL production line and research work be counted separately
(2) Let there be DRDO and HAL to join hands in research like the GTRE and HAL do for Kaveri engines.
(3) The Main problem is seems of Finance, and freedom, which are needed
(4) Production Units and Aircraft
R&D Centers
Aircraft

Aero Engine
Rotary Wing
Strategic Electronics
Aircraft Upgrade
Aerospace Systems & Equipment
Transport Aircraft
Gas Turbine
Mission & Combat System
Central Materials and Processes Laboratory & NDT Centre
(5) There is need to hand to hand on the products, like instead purchasing let their be JV with the foreign aircraft manufacturing companies. If Airbus, Boeing, Embraer be ready, or reverse the technology, get the details of the technology, But government must have idea about it, except that there is no possibility for the benefit
(6) The Donkeys never win the Race of Horses, and Even win not become the Horse. so Intellectuals of the field are necessary else cant do anything.
(7) planning, timing, money, quality of technical experts and scientists are require, and then only we can achieve the target.
(8) No office politics, or politics, and freedom and unity in the field is necessary, which is never be in Indians, the so called brotherhood, this give boost to the moral to achieve the goals. and yes the small to big formula may be achieved, first start small then improve where needed. Even F-35 get lots criticism made after F-22 and F-35 now be called like white elephant. though in war machines do good, but be very expensive.

Let the copy-paste formula be their cause whether government is really interested in making plane is question and money is the big deal. Instead drop the planes like IJT etc.its require to know the problems and to solve it. Even su-27 primary aircraft failed in first test, as the on 10 Angle of Attack the aircraft was shacking, but they improve the design and make it perfect. so that can be done.
 
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Thanks For Tagging Sir.......:cheers:......ON TOPIC.........:offtopic:......(I am not an expert Sir)...:-).......Yes Definitely......Someone said that " Change is the rule of Nature ". HAL has to understand its responsibility well.. It is high time that HAL should understand the actual necessity of GOI... Only making promises doesn't makes any sense....
Someone said "A DESIRE changes Nothing, A DECISION changes something but a DETERMINATION changes everything."
30 Years passed but Tejas still is facing many issues.....:help:....... Also 25KN thrust producing engine of HAL also looks like a plastic model.......:cry:..... But time will come, and it is upto HAL only on how it shapes its future....I will just :thinktank::mps:........
 
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