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Optimising a design to operate across the entire spectrum of theatres the Indian military operates in from the Thar to Siachin and everything in between is no joke it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort. That the LCA, ALH and LCH all have a perfect flight safety record during development speaks volumes.

Well I agree at some extend of our terrains :) But its better we induct in mass numbers aggressively once fight yest is been cleared . As of now we will habe to wait for weapon trails to get inducted which means flying safely is been cleared as next step is to integrate with weapons . :) isn't it ?

Optimising a design to operate across the entire spectrum of theatres the Indian military operates in from the Thar to Siachin and everything in between is no joke it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort. That the LCA, ALH and LCH all have a perfect flight safety record during development speaks volumes.

Well I agree at some extend of our terrains :) But its better we induct in mass numbers aggressively once fight yest is been cleared . As of now we will habe to wait for weapon trails to get inducted which means flying safely is been cleared as next step is to integrate with weapons . :) isn't it ?
 
Optimising a design to operate across the entire spectrum of theatres the Indian military operates in from the Thar to Siachin and everything in between is no joke it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort. That the LCA, ALH and LCH all have a perfect flight safety record during development speaks volumes.


TD4 is suppose to be the last prototype, With its flight due by end of the year, It looks like we are getting close to induction. We havent heard anything about its successor, Do you think they have Stealth MCH in mind?
 
Optimising a design to operate across the entire spectrum of theatres the Indian military operates in from the Thar to Siachin and everything in between is no joke it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort. That the LCA, ALH and LCH all have a perfect flight safety record during development speaks volumes.
Yes Indeed and there is point in no point in to do comparison with the Chinese at this point and better concentrate on the job for our own requirement. Chinese have more funds allotted, and do have the export in their mind provided heavy inputs from Russian Companies for the avionics and airframe design and have many former Soviet technicians and Scientist hired.
 
By Smriti Jain, ECONOMICTIMES.COM | 18 Sep, 2015, 01.25PM IST
HAL's LCH: Made in India combat helicopter eyes weapon firing trials - The Economic Times

NEW DELHI: Giving a leg up to the focus on indigenous defence production, India's Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) is now eyeing weapon-based trials with its fourth technology demonstrator, TD-4. The weapon firing trials are planned for the middle of 2016.


The LCH is a twin-engine helicopter of 5.8-ton class designed and developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to meet the requirements of Indian defence forces. LCH was proposed to meet IAF's requirement of a dedicated light helicopter for combat operations.

HAL claims that the LCH is designed to carry out dedicated combat roles such as Air Defence, anti-tank, scout and support combat search/rescue missions. It incorporates a number of stealth features such as reduced visual, aural, radar and infra-red signatures and crashworthy landing gear, armour protection for better survivability. The helicopter is powered by two Shakti engines. There are plans to produce LCH in large numbers to meet the operational requirements.

"TD-4 has been planned to facilitate accelerated weapon flight trials. TD-4 is getting ready and would be available for weapon trials soon," HAL's CMD, T Suvarna Raju told Economictimes.com. According to him, the TD-4 has been built as the weight optimised prototype of the LCH, which would be "most suited" for weapon trials.

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In pic: LCH during its hot & high altitude trials at Leh


Further, weapon trials will continue in line with the specific requirement of customers. HAL is pursuing with customers for production orders and induction timelines will dependent on these orders. Suvarana Raju says that enquiries have been received from other countries during this year's Aero-India.


So, are there any specific improvements that HAL is eyeing for the LCH?

"LCH Design and Development program has progressed with incremental improvements in each prototype from TD-1 through TD-4. Based on the feedback from flight trials, various improvements have been made to fine tune handling qualities, speed and vibration...further improvements would be planned in coordination with the users," Suvarna Raju said.

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In pic: LCH during its hot weather flight trials in Jodhpur


When will the LCH get Initial Operational Clearance?

The combat helicopter has recently completed a series of all weather (hot and high altitude, sea level, cold weather and hot weather) trials. HAL hopes that the helicopter will get basic clearance by the end of this month. "With the hot and high altitude trials successfully completed at Leh in August 2015, the performance and handling characteristics of the basic helicopter have been established, and the clearance for the basic configuration of LCH is expected by September 2015," said HAL's CMD.

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In pic: LCH TD-3 during its maiden trials


Extensive trials have been carried out on three prototypes at Bengaluru, sea level at Chennai in November 2013, cold weather at Leh during January-February 2015, hot weather at Jodhpur in July 2015 and hot and high altitude trials at a few days ago at Leh. LCH is the first attack helicopter to land in Forward Bases at Siachen.

LCH-TD-1 was first flown on March 29, 2010 and LCH-TD-2 was flown on June 28, 2011. The TD-3 made its successful maiden flight in 2014.

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In pic: An earlier prototype of the LCH

HAL says that the performance and handling qualities of the helicopter have been established for basic configuration (with EO Pod, rocket launchers, turret gun and air-to-air missile launchers). In all HAL is expected to produce/manufacture 179 LCH for Indian Defence forces.

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aw some gunship i only know nothing about it.
few q. please answer.

does it has stealth features?
and which cannon is that?how good is the cannon?
max range of that cannon?accuracy of the cannon?
some detail about its Armour?
details about its sensors?
and its nearest competitor?
and is it durable?i once saw in video (fail army in youtube) an Apache crash in the ground but still fly as it nothing happened.
VS. the z10 how good it is?

i m too lazy to find out it myself.:p:
 
aw some gunship i only know nothing about it.
few q. please answer.

does it has stealth features?
and which cannon is that?how good is the cannon?
max range of that cannon?accuracy of the cannon?
some detail about its Armour?
details about its sensors?
and its nearest competitor?
and is it durable?i once saw in video (fail army in youtube) an Apache crash in the ground but still fly as it nothing happened.
VS. the z10 how good it is?

i m too lazy to find out it myself.:p:
or are you going to sasural for the first time :azn: :devil:
 
Do need to relax our norms for induction ? Like china which could had inducted LCH by now and would had gone for mass production . While keeping the upgrades alive . Best way to gain number amd quality superiority . Our standards are cery high even compared to many western countries.
That is a slippery slope, Ungli doge to Haat kheech lenge.
If the development was on schedule, with all milestones and gate reviews finishing strong, then there would be some confidence in the developmental agency to relax norms, but given the track record, doodh ka jala, chaaz be phoonk phoonk ke pita hai.

aw some gunship i only know nothing about it.
few q. please answer.

does it has stealth features?
and which cannon is that?how good is the cannon?
max range of that cannon?accuracy of the cannon?
some detail about its Armour?
details about its sensors?
and its nearest competitor?
and is it durable?i once saw in video (fail army in youtube) an Apache crash in the ground but still fly as it nothing happened.
VS. the z10 how good it is?

i m too lazy to find out it myself.:p:
aam khao, ped ginne mein kya rakha hai.
 
i know, i came late here to join the conversation.
and
that's mean i don't deserved to get my answer.
ok then.
:(

i will not derail it.
hehe, nothing like that, just humor, go through the thread,and will not deny you the fun of researching a platform, the discovery of info on our own stuff is a quite a fun exercise.

lets do a small test, look at the changes in the canopy and construct your opinion on the reasons for the changes.
 
That is a slippery slope, Ungli doge to Haat kheech lenge.
If the development was on schedule, with all milestones and gate reviews finishing strong, then there would be some confidence in the developmental agency to relax norms, but given the track record, doodh ka jala, chaaz be phoonk phoonk ke pita hai.


aam khao, ped ginne mein kya rakha hai.
but sir what i gont get it why despite so much use of composites and other tech almost all indian wepons are a bit too heavy and lesser in range and payload capacity

chinese by any source have now made at least 4 types of attack hellies and now are testing 5th gen type and have that apache like mast mounted longbow type radar .... its realli frustating too see owr institutions going at snails pace
 
but sir what i gont get it why despite so much use of composites and other tech almost all indian wepons are a bit too heavy and lesser in range and payload capacity

chinese by any source have now made at least 4 types of attack hellies and now are testing 5th gen type and have that apache like mast mounted longbow type radar .... its realli frustating too see owr institutions going at snails pace

There is no point in comparing chinese subsytems or any other...
Indian development in general is lack lustre, comparing it to china or any other country is pointless. There are a 100's of reasons for lack of developmental skills, but it will start happening in few years.

Mast mounted radar/fire control, I am not sure how important the requirement is for IA....
(please dont refer to me as sir)
 
There is no point in comparing chinese subsytems or any other...
Indian development in general is lack lustre, comparing it to china or any other country is pointless. There are a 100's of reasons for lack of developmental skills, but it will start happening in few years.

Mast mounted radar/fire control, I am not sure how important the requirement is for IA....
(please dont refer to me as sir)
see its (mast mounter fire control radar) is the next new must have tech for any attach chopper as it makes your smart rockets (like latest version of US hydra) a leathel ATGM with 1/10 the cost and is much lighter aswell compared to hellfire or helina we need it more than chinese or USA for such high altitude warfare where even MBTs are thinli aroured than regular MBTs

just look at the ammount of wepons carried by a viper helli and a LCH point is we need LCH very fast and in good numbers but looking at the pace of it its frustating to say the least
 
see its (mast mounter fire control radar) is the next new must have tech for any attach chopper as it makes your smart rockets (like latest version of US hydra) a leathel ATGM with 1/10 the cost and is much lighter aswell compared to hellfire or helina we need it more than chinese or USA for such high altitude warfare where even MBTs are thinli aroured than regular MBTs

just look at the ammount of wepons carried by a viper helli and a LCH point is we need LCH very fast and in good numbers but looking at the pace of it its frustating to say the least
Instead, imo, LCH are primarily to be deployed with the 7 out of the 21 mechanized battalions that forms the Brigade of guards, for recce, and destruction of enemy armor.
Second applications are going to be combat patrol for transport helicopters in to forward battle groups.
 
Instead, imo, LCH are primarily to be deployed with the 7 out of the 21 mechanized battalions that forms the Brigade of guards, for recce, and destruction of enemy armor.
Second applications are going to be combat patrol for transport helicopters in to forward battle groups.
what does that suppose to mean ?
 

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