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[Krate M]

it was better to take some assistant from
Kamov russia
like chinese

They won't be useful. Maybe MBB or Eurocopter, if really needed.

But I doubt that they are needed. This seems like a problem already solved by operators of Indian armed forces. Maybe some information exchange is needed.

 

[nomi007]

They won't be useful. Maybe MBB or Eurocopter, if really needed.

But I doubt that they are needed. This seems like a problem already solved by operators of Indian armed forces. Maybe some information exchange is needed.

1st check Chinese z-10

 

[Krate M]

1st check Chinese z-10

Nomi bhai ALH had MBB consultancy. They would be knowing more than kamov in this particular case. Also they use same engine, so any issues will be known to them.
Kamov has good knowledge of helos in general but MBB or Eurocopter would have specific knowledge.
I am repeating that our armed forces have solved the issues, so maybe just some tips or info needs to be passed onto the other operators.

 

[r101]

friends can anyone tell me about development of kaveri gtre

 

[Krate M]

friends can anyone tell me about development of kaveri gtre

Wrong thread dude

 

[Abingdonboy]

Actually Dhruv had a bad record initially in India, same thing with Nepal, probably certain tips about handling it at certain points of flight envelope may need to be passed on. Alternatively thorough review to rule out sabotage may be needed.

Please explain what you mean about having a "bad record initially" I don't see any evidence for this. It could be argued the Mk.1 and had some issues but they have since been replaced by more advanced and refined versions and the Mk.3 version is what the Ecuadorians have and this is an incredibly advanced and capable helo.

probably certain tips about handling it at certain points of flight envelope may need to be passed on

+ the full and updated flight manuals would have been handed over to the EAF.

 

[Krate M]

@Abingdonboy I think there are two main possible reasons.
1 Dhruv is being sabotaged by some other aerospace player/s.
2 Ecuadorian air force training is lacking
a)in general, then your point applies.
b) at particular flight envelope points where Dhruv has some issues or needs to be handled in a particular way, where my point applies.

I am not inclined to blame Ecuador force training completely. I am open to existence of possible flight envelope quirks, which almost all flying machine have. The initial crashes can indicate such quirks.

The Dhruv is an excellent flying machine.

 

[r101]

lch TD's look good but they should have fire power & also strong shielding as in apache long bow can anyone tell anything about the armour used in the lch & the countermeasures in it in case of emergency . according to me it will compete with the z-10 . lol 1 thing I need to mention friend the camp version of lch is damn cool!

 

[Abingdonboy]

b) at particular flight envelope points where Dhruv has some issues or needs to be handled in a particular way, where my point applies.

If this was true the IA, IAF, IN, ICG and HAL test pilots would have encountered such quirks and come up with a set of procedures in response. Such procedures would have been imparted to the EAF.

1 Dhruv is being sabotaged by some other aerospace player/s.

I will need to wait for some convincing element before I entertain this bro.

2 Ecuadorian air force training is lacking

I'm inclined to go for this, I've seen the kind of training IA and IAF pilots go through at places like CATS, are the EAF pilots as throughly trained? I genuinely don't know but the majority of crashes world wide are down to pilot error so this has to be the first suspect in all such crashes and the fact the EAF is encountering such a disproportionate amount of these incidents is pretty telling.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

HAL Chief with LCH TD1

 

[Krate M]

Such procedures would have been imparted to the EAF.

Are the EAF pilots as throughly trained?

On first point
Such procedures should (would assumes automatic arrangement) have been imparted to EAF. If such an arrangement exists, that is great, but I am bit sceptical.
On second one,
If they are not trained well enough, HAL should push for making incident reports public, making the image of Dhruv better.

On sabotage, you can never be sure.

 

[Etilla]

it was better to take some assistant from
Kamov russia
like chinese

Dhruv was designed by Germans in the first place.

Problem is in assembly at HAL.

If Eurocopter is still being paid license fees then they need to answer as well

 

[gslv mk3]

Dhruv was designed by Germans in the first place.

Problem is in assembly at HAL.

If Eurocopter is still being paid license fees then they need to answer as well

 

[sudhir007]

 

[indiatester]

Dhruv was designed by Germans Aliens in the first place.

There. Corrected it for you.