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[Water Car Engineer]

I am not a Aeronautical engineer.
I am a water car engineer

Water is our life!

 

[narcon]

Water is our life!

So is air that gets sucked into the combustion chamber of the motors/engines to give it a life of its own and eathlings like us!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

So is air that gets sucked into the combustion chamber of the motors/engines to give it a life of its own and eathlings like us!

What madness do you speak, sir?

 

[narcon]

What madness do you speak, sir?

Are you denying above facts?
If so.
I should listen your gibberish first - is not it?

Or

If your pony Brain did not understand my one liner, I am not sure where you will be destined for

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Are you denying above facts?
If so.
I should listen your gibberish first - is not it?

Or

If your pony Brain did not understand my one liner, I am not sure where you will be destined for

If I had my own blasphemy law, you'll outta here buddy! Keep that sorcery magic crap outta here!

 

[narcon]

If I had my own blasphemy law, you'll outta here buddy! Keep that sorcery magic crap outta here!

Welcome to my Ignore/Mute/Garbage list!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Welcome to my Ignore/Mute/Garbage list!

Voodoo lover.

 

[fsayed]

HAL plans LCH TD-4 flight by Early 2015, Lists Improvements made in TD-3 | idrw.org

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Where do you propose to put them?

Rudra has one of the sensors on that very same location.

Other examples

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Iraqi scout's sensor heads

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Turkish T129's sensor heads on the wing tips.

Tiger

 

[sancho]

I'm pleasantly surprised (understatement) that the Indian military have adopted such high end tech (Full glass cockpits, FLIR, modern self-defence suite) so readily and made it their standard equipment.

I wouldn't just give the credit to the forces, but also HAL which constantly improved the Dhruv with every new technical standard:

That's the learning and improving curve that I want to see in indigenous developments, not the chest bumping and silly promisses about Indian content. Rudra and LCH are just the next step of the Dhruv success and the LUH development gives the prospect for another one. If only we had made LCA in a similar manner!

 

[sancho]

Bro actually I want Apaches on our side parallel to LCH, it will give a good opportunity to look upon by HAL to modify LCH further .Also Apaches are heavy class Gunship,an ideal replacement for Mi 25 and Mi 35.

As I often say, there is no heavy and light class for combat helicopters like there is with fighters, because all combat helicopters do the same roles in the same manner, with just a minimal difference in performance.
The Apache might have a bigger chin mounted gun, but it will be used in the same manner as LCH or even Rudra will do it. The Apache might have a higher payload, but it also has only 4 hardpoints as any combat helicopter, which makes the difference irrelevant:

LCH / Apache

Standard config: 8 x ATGMs + 2 x rocket pods vs 8 x ATGMs + 2 x rocket pods (14 x rockets more)
Anti tank role: 12 x ATGMs vs 16 x ATGMs (4 x ATGMs more)

On the EW side LCH will be at least on par with latest combat helicopters and the capability of it's avionics must be compared to what avionics an Apache for Indian forces would include, not what was developed for US / NATO forces. The biggest difference then will be the mast mounted radar, which LCH at least at the beginning won't have and that makes an actual difference, but other than that I don't see much benefits over LCH that would make such an expensive order needed. Especially when you add the advantage that LCH was designed and developed specifically for the Indian terrain and that surely will give advantages.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I wouldn't just give the credit to the forces, but also HAL which constantly improved the Dhruv with every new technical standard:

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That's the learning and improving curve that I want to see in indigenous developments, not the chest bumping and silly promisses about Indian content. Rudra and LCH are just the next step of the Dhruv success and the LUH development gives the prospect for another one. If only we had made LCA in a similar manner!

We should have continued work on fighters after Ajit....the learning curve would have been a lot more manageable. I guess the lesson is that every time you decide to 'give up' on something, the price is very steep.

 

[sancho]

Where do you propose to put them?

If we take the LCH mock up as the base, it should be similar to this:

 

[Guynextdoor2]

why are we talking Apache? I know I mentioned them, but not to talk about them. 25 regardless of how you justify it is not enough. Else America wouldn't have 600+ of them. But let's drop this, as this isn't that important nor is it the topic.

The question is, would the LCH be taking on a bigger role than the Z-19 you think? If yes, would the comparison be valid. Would the Rudra have more or less load, in terms of missions, than the LCH, and if less, would this not be the candidate to be compared to the Z-19.

LCH's role is mainly high altitude attack, to fill a void that we saw during Kargil WAR. Neither Apache nor Hind can support us there.

 

[sancho]

We should have continued work on fighters after Ajit....the learning curve would have been a lot more manageable. I guess the lesson is that every time you decide to 'give up' on something, the price is very steep.

We should had gave HAL the project management with foreign partners, similar to Dhruv project and not provide it to DRDO, that wanted to do everything differently.