Gwadar- turn it into a liberal city.

[N.Siddiqui]

Do you really think that one port Gwadar can handle almost 3/4th of combined cargo of 12 major ports that India is handled now ?

Future plans here and not forget China will be handling the port leased to them for 40 years. China plans big considering the trade, import and exports of the country. Yearly trade of China is more than 4000 billion USD with about 2.6 trillion USD exports and about 1.6 trillion USD imports. The exports is roughly 10 times that of India, services exports excluded.


from the article....

Expansion under CPEC

Under the China Pakistan Economic Corridor plan, COPHC will expand Gwadar Port with the construction of nine new multipurpose berths on 3.2 KM of seafront to the east of the existing multipurpose berths. COPHC will also build cargo terminals in 12 km of land to the north and northwest of the site along the shoreline of the Demi Zirr bay.
In addition, the Gwadar Port dredging project will deepen approach channels to a depth of 14 meters from the current 12.5 meter depth that will enable docking of larger ships with a deadweight tonnage of up to 70,000 at Gwadar Port. It is estimated that till date, the port has handled over one million ton of cargo which mainly include construction material for other CPEC projects. COPHC plans to eventually expand the port's capacity to up to 400 million tons of cargo per year. Long terms plans for Gwadar Port require a total of 100 berths to be developed by 2045.


http://dlca.logcluster.org/display/...t;jsessionid=1CA81F97D5590BF73F96FB622D905DFC

Do you really think that one port Gwadar can handle almost 3/4th of combined cargo of 12 major ports that India is handled now ?

I still don't know which world you people are living ! Stop dreaming...humble request

China turning Pakistan’s Gwadar into World’s largest strategic giant port: VOA


Islamabad – An unprecedented Chinese financial and construction effort is rapidly developing Pakistan’s strategically located Arabian Sea port of Gwadar into one of the world’s largest transit and transshipment cargo facilities.

The deep water port lies at the convergence of three of the most commercially important regions of the world, the oil-rich Middle East, Central Asia, and South Asia.

Beijing is developing Gwadar as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, known as CPEC. The two countries launched the 15-year joint mega project in 2015 when President Xi Jinping visited Islamabad.

http://corridor.pk/2017/12/02/china...adar-worlds-largest-strategic-giant-port-voa/

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Even though India is almost 6.5 times population of pakistan, but almost 12.5 times handling cargo vs pakistan
and the gap is widening every year.

Did you pull this one from the same a*ss that said Mundra was 4 times Karachi only to be corrected by @Pluralist?

almost 12.5 times handling cargo vs pakistan

Source please?

 

[Karna_007]

Future plans here and not forget China will be handling the port leased to them for 40 years. China plans big considering the trade, import and exports of the country. Yearly trade of China is more than 4000 billion USD with about 2.6 trillion USD exports and about 1.6 trillion USD imports. The exports is roughly 10 times that of India, services exports excluded.

Chinese export consists mainly on cheap goods.Chinese cities and population lyes on east and not west.The sea transportation is almost 10 times cheaper than land transportation and in business feasibility comes first than any thing.In the top the difficult terrain and climatic conditions between pakistan-china passage.If every thing is shinning in china then why their GDP growth rate is less than 7%,why they are in higher debt vs GDP,Why there are ghost towns?

Did you pull this one from the same a*ss that said Mundra was 4 times Karachi only to be corrected by @Pluralist?

Source please?

Look at the picture i posted and look at the cargo handled by karachi port, so to understand the reality.Pakistan is totally depends on karachi port and others are just minor vs karachi.I also mentioned MMT of Mundra vs karachi and his argument of Mundra is small is a total false argument

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Chinese export consists mainly on cheap goods.

Lol...you are a simpleton...this is the reason China exports 600 billion USD to United States, the country which seeks the highest standards, and China exports to EU is even higher must be around 800 billion USD.

Yes China do exports some second and third grade products to third world countries like India(1.35 billion population) and some to others including Pakistan as well.

Only a fool will concur that China makes cheap products considering there exports of 2600 billion USD per year. BTW check India's exports, about 10% of China.

 

[Karna_007]

Future plans here and not forget China will be handling the port leased to them for 40 years. China plans big considering the trade, import and exports of the country. Yearly trade of China is more than 4000 billion USD with about 2.6 trillion USD exports and about 1.6 trillion USD imports. The exports is roughly 10 times that of India, services exports excluded.


from the article....

Expansion under CPEC

Under the China Pakistan Economic Corridor plan, COPHC will expand Gwadar Port with the construction of nine new multipurpose berths on 3.2 KM of seafront to the east of the existing multipurpose berths. COPHC will also build cargo terminals in 12 km of land to the north and northwest of the site along the shoreline of the Demi Zirr bay.
In addition, the Gwadar Port dredging project will deepen approach channels to a depth of 14 meters from the current 12.5 meter depth that will enable docking of larger ships with a deadweight tonnage of up to 70,000 at Gwadar Port. It is estimated that till date, the port has handled over one million ton of cargo which mainly include construction material for other CPEC projects. COPHC plans to eventually expand the port's capacity to up to 400 million tons of cargo per year. Long terms plans for Gwadar Port require a total of 100 berths to be developed by 2045.


http://dlca.logcluster.org/display/...t;jsessionid=1CA81F97D5590BF73F96FB622D905DFC





China turning Pakistan’s Gwadar into World’s largest strategic giant port: VOA


Islamabad – An unprecedented Chinese financial and construction effort is rapidly developing Pakistan’s strategically located Arabian Sea port of Gwadar into one of the world’s largest transit and transshipment cargo facilities.

The deep water port lies at the convergence of three of the most commercially important regions of the world, the oil-rich Middle East, Central Asia, and South Asia.

Beijing is developing Gwadar as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, known as CPEC. The two countries launched the 15-year joint mega project in 2015 when President Xi Jinping visited Islamabad.

http://corridor.pk/2017/12/02/china...adar-worlds-largest-strategic-giant-port-voa/

I am not gwadar is a minor port, but those just argue it is going to turn like Dubai,It will handle 400 MMT are just fancy.For 400MMT you have to grow at least 8-9 times than karachi.Do any sane pakistani's really think that Gwadar is going to be 8-9 times bigger than karachi?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Look at the picture i posted and look at the cargo handled by karachi port, so to understand the reality.Pakistan is totally depends on karachi port and others are just minor vs karachi.I also mentioned MMT of Mundra vs karachi and his argument of Mundra is small is a total false argument

Do any sane pakistani's really think that Gwadar is going to be 8-9 times bigger than karachi?

You are forgetting the simple thing 'This port will be handled by China'....look at China yearly trade and look at yours or for that matter Pakistan.

 

[Karna_007]

Lol...you are a simpleton...this is the reason China exports 600 billion USD to United States, the country which seeks the highest standards, and China exports to EU is even higher must be around 800 billion USD.

Yes China do exports some second and third grade products to third world countries like India(1.35 billion population) and some to others including Pakistan as well.

Only a fool will concur that China makes cheap products considering there exports of 2600 billion USD per year. BTW check India's exports, about 10% of China.

By the way why you bring china into picture as if china is a your daddy.Do i bring US into picture and compared with China? Talk about your country first.Now a days there is no proper relation with brothers and sisters in house,let alone countries.Interest comes first and not emotions...

 

[N.Siddiqui]

By the way why you bring china into picture as if china is a your daddy.

Karna_007 said: ↑
Chinese export consists mainly on cheap goods.


You started this...only a moron will say that China exports cheap products, worth 2600 billion USD to the world. And BTW Gwadar port will be developed by China, the reason.

 

[Karna_007]

You are forgetting the simple thing 'This port will be handled by China'....look at China yearly trade and look at yours or for that matter Pakistan.

Those who still believe that China going to make Gwadar like Dubai, I can assure that they are living in fools paradise.No sane pakistani's with some brain will not buy it.China always comes china's interest first, be it in Srilanka or any african countries.China is no bodies friend in real world.

How many chinese pdf comes here for condemnation, if some thing bad happened in pakistan in pdf?
How many money chinese donated free like US do as free aid(I know US have some objectives)?
How much help chinese do during natural calamities in pakstan?
How many patients prefer to go China for treatment considering friendly country(I know language barrier)?
Have Chinese issue on arrival visa for pakstani's as good gesture, while pakistan openly welcomes chinese?
Have they support militarily during recent kargil war?
Why chinese support Myanmar though Pakistan does not happy with stand as of moral support to refugees?
Why China want to start coal plant in pakistan, when they are stopping coal plants in 2030?
Why chinese blacklisted companies are doing business in pakistan?

Yes they support pakistan inorder to checkmate with India.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

@Karna_007

Also Karachi has more than three ports actually and with many terminals with private contractors and operators.

South Asia Pakistani Terminals(Karachi new deep sea port)

This was inaugurated earlier...

S.A.P.T Karachi deep sea new port. Check the size of it.

 

[jamal18]

nah..

 

[Karna_007]

@Karna_007

Also Karachi has more than three ports actually and with many terminals with private contractors and operators.

South Asia Pakistani Terminals(Karachi new deep sea port)

This was inaugurated earlier...

S.A.P.T Karachi deep sea new port. Check the size of it.

In mundra total terminals with all types commodities stand at 11
In mudra total berths standing at 24- In SAPT it is just 4
Mundra port has almost 45 Kms of rail connectivity- SAPT has any rail connectivity?
Mundra Port has not only pioneered the concept of deep draft integrated port model, but also of port based SEZ. The multi-product SEZ consisting Mundra Port and its surrounding areas is planned to be spread over 135 square kilometres (13,500 hectares). Currently, notified Multi-product SEZ is spread over an area of 6473 Hectare, with an additional 168 Hectares notified as a Free Trade Warehousing Zone
-SAPT area is very miniature
Mundra Port Coal Terminal is the world's biggest coal importing terminal-Any figures for SAPT?

http://www.sapt.com.pk/Home/ABOUT-US

The area SAPT mentioned as 85 hectares !!! How can a terminal is a world class, with just 85 hectares even if it is terminal area ?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

The area SAPT mentioned as 85 hectares !!! How can a terminal is a world class, with just 85 hectares even if it is terminal area ?

Karachi Port has a 11.5 km long, 12.2 m deep channel. It has 30 dry cargo berths, 13 berths on West Wharves, 17 berths on East Wharves and 3 liquid cargo berths for POL & Non-POL products. This makes a grand total of 33 berths.




SAPT is a different league, meant for very large mother ship and hence is a deep sea port.

Under the project, ten berths at 18 meters depth, with five km of quay wall have been planned. Total cost of the project is $1.6 billion. In the first phase, four berths with 1,500 meter quay wall are planned to be constructed.


The PDWCP was envisioned to be the deepest container port to accommodate new generation “Triple E” vessels, carry 13,000 to 14,000 TEUs (twenty feet equivalent units).

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/94184-SAPT-plans-soft-launch-of-deep-water-container-port-in-May

 

[Karna_007]

Hutchison group(Hong kong)

The company’s profit for the year ended December 31, 2017, plunged by 24.9 percent to HKD 2.21 billion, compared to a profit of HKD 2.95 billion reported in 2016. Revenue and other income for the year was HKD 11.5 billion(1.47 billion US dollar), representing a drop of 3 percent compared to HKD 11.9 billion seen a year earlier.

Adani group(Indian company)

The Group’s revenue is estimated to be over $ 11 Billion with operations at 70 locations in 50 countries worldwide

 

[N.Siddiqui]

In mudra total berths standing at 24- In SAPT it is just 4

Lol you are proving to be faking the data, Adani's Mundra port actual data.
Dry Cargo

Terminals 4
Berths 12
Draft* 18.0
Capacity^ 86.8

Liquid Cargo

Terminals 1
Berths 4
Draft* 17.5
Capacity^ 9.0

Crude

Terminals 2
Berths 2
Draft* 32.0
Capacity^ 40.8


https://www.adaniports.com/mundra-port

The Group’s revenue is estimated to be over $ 11 Billion with operations at 70 locations in 50 countries worldwide

This includes power generation, coal exploration including in Australia dozens more businesses, and looking at the size of India at 1.35 billion people this is pretty average. And Adani is a big name in India.

Pakistan with a small 207 million people just 15% of India has many companies in the 6.7 billion USD, 6 billion USD, 5 billion USD group.


Business and Industry in Pakistan:

Here are the top 11 publicly traded groups of companies listed on Karachi Stock Exchange. These groups make up a little over one-third of the total market capitalization of all the companies listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange. The market caps here represent a snapshot and vary daily with stock trading:

1. The IGI Group tops the KSE listed groups. Headed by Syed Babar Ali, it is a diversified conglomerate that includes IGI insurance, IGI Life, Packages Ltd and other businesses with a combined market cap of Rs. 677 billion making up 7.4% of KSE.

2. Dawood Group includes companies such as Engro Corp, Engro Fertilizers, Engro Polymer, Engro PowerGen, Dawood Hercules, and Dawood Lawrencepur with a total combined market cap at Rs. 442 billion adding up to 4.8% of KSE.

3. Pakistani military's Fauji Foundation owns Fauji Fertilizer, Fauji Foods, Fauji Cement, Askari Bank, and Mari Petroleum. The Fauji Foundation Group has a total market cap of Rs432 billion, and a a total KSE share of 4.6%.

4. Mian Mansha’s Mansha Group includes MCB Bank, DG Khan Cement, Nishat Mills Adamjee Insurance, Nishat Chunian, Lalpir Power, and Nishat Power. It has total market cap of Rs. 408 billion, or 4.4% of KSE.

5. Habib Group includes Indus Motor Company, Thal Limited, Habib Insurance, Habib Sugar Mills, Bank Al-Habib, Habib Metro, and Shabbir Tiles. Total market cap for the group is Rs326 billion making up 3.6% of KSE.

6. Bestway Group includes United Bank Limited (UBL) and Bestway Cement with total market cap of Rs. 310 billion, or 3.4% of KSE market cap.

7. Tabba Group has total market cap of Rs. 298 billion or 3.3% of KSE. The group includes Lucky Cement, ICI Pakistan and Gadoon Textiles.

8. The Atlas Group which includes companies such as Honda Atlas Cars, Atlas Honda, Atlas Battery, and Atlas Insurance has total market cap of Rs. 143 billion or 1.6% of KSE.

9. Chinoy Group includes Pakistan Cables, International Industries, and International Steel. It has market cap of Rs. 90 billion or 1% of KSE.

10. The Saigol Group includes companies such as Pak-Elektron, Maple Leaf Cement, and Kohinoor Textile Mills. It is worth Rs. 79 billion accounting for 0.9% of KSE.

11. JS Group includes Jahangir Siddiqui Company, JS Bank, Bank Islami, JS Investments, and JS Global. It is worth Rs. 43 billion or 0.5% of KSE.

Products Town
Commercial area
Plots
House
Villa
Restaurants
Hotel
Golf clubs
Hospitals
Revenue

US$10 billion (2015)
Total assets

US$20 billion (2015)
Number of employees
160,000 (2017)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahria_Town




....and check Bahria town equity(assets) and revenue, the USD 20 billion in assets in 2015 can easily be 40 billion USD in 2018 and double that of 2015 figure as the biggest of them the Karachi Bahria town on 40,000 acres has just started 3 years ago and the total investment here is the highest in all of Bahria Towns in Pakistan.

So total gold consumption by pakistan can be assumed to be 11 tonnes in 2016.

The amount of gold purchased directly by individuals in Pakistan in April-June was 10.7 tonnes, which reflects an increase of 10.3% over the total consumer demand of 9.7 tonnes recorded in the preceding quarter (January-March).

This is a quarterly figure...the actual consumption must be 4 times higher at 41.6 tons yearly.