Gunman takes hostages in Sydney shop

[TankMan]

I posted this in the other thread too and I'm posting it here too. Needs to be said.

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you,but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause,nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgementwill be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)"

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"

"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.' (The Noble Quran, 18:86)" In this Noble Verse we see that if the enemy wants to do us harm, then we must punish those who did us harm. Otherwise, we must treat the enemy civilians and the innocents with kindness.

Let us look at Noble Verse 45:14"Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."

Let us look at Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..." In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind.

Let us look at Noble Verse 25:68 "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty considers the innocent soul "sacred". He will punish those who kill the innocent souls (by throwing them in hell).

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

THIS IS NOT ISLAM. Anyone who is taking a neutral stance here and not condemning this a$$holery should not be calling himself a Muslim.

 

[Not Sure]

It most definitely will, if true.

Sadly, it is true. They are hiding behind a flag with Shahada on it.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Sadly, it is true. They are hiding behind a flag with Shahada on it.

And in Australia of all places, the issue doesn't even have to be genuine for them to get racist. This will definitely set that white trash country off down the road of racial retribution. I think even Indians will get targeted under this pretext.

 

[Shatterpoint]

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Flight radar shows a police Cessna circling their area.

 

[Not Sure]

And in Australia of all places, the issue doesn't even have to be genuine for them to get racist. This will definitely set that white trash country off down the road of racial retribution. I think even Indians will get targeted under this pretext.

From what I know, a great number of Muslims in Australia (mostly Lebanese) are jobless and are living on grants of the state mainly because businesses are not so willing to employ them owing to their attitude toward the nation. But rightly so. How are these Muslims helping the situation? By joining Hizb ut Tehrir! Before getting banned in the UK, it used to organize large anti-state rallies in London. Now it is doing the same in Australia.

So who is at fault, the state trying to assert its writ, or the immigrants who rather than assimilate with the population, readily join organizations like Hizb ut Tehrir?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

From what I know, a great number of Muslims in Australia (mostly Lebanese) are jobless and are living on grants of the state mainly because businesses are not so willing to employ them owing to their attitude toward the nation. But rightly so. How are these Muslims helping the situation? By joining Hizb ut Tehrir! Before getting banned in the UK, it used to organize large anti-state rallies in London. Now it is doing the same in Australia.

So who is at fault, the state trying to assert its writ, or the immigrants who rather than assimilate with the population, readily join organizations like Hizb ut Tehrir?

I don't think the attitude of the aussies is related to one group for one reason. They are generally racist towards everyone under most circumstances.

 

[Zarvan]

Should Pakistan stop its partnership with the USA? I’m pretty sure most of the supplies are coming from Pakistan for the war in Afghanistan. Why don’t you do the right thing and condemn these worthless pieces of shit rather than looking for excuses/justification for their action that's only going to harm innocent civilians and Muslims.

Australia first attacked Afghanistan than Iraq they should not expect flowers in return but in Islam you can't target civilians in return but Australia needs to get rid of alliance with USA

 

[Not Sure]

I don't think the attitude of the aussies is related to one group for one reason. They are generally racist towards everyone under most circumstances.

What you think is not wrong. From what I have heard from some non-white Aussies, even Greeks faced problems in becoming citizens till '70s because they were not "as white". I think till late Australia had a law forbidding any non-white from becoming a citizen. So yes, you are right there, and it does not bode well for the browns and blacks there.

I wonder how things will unfold now, because after that stabbing (of a cop) incident by an Islamist many new gangs of the young white Australians surfaced and they are always looking for the brown skin to... you know what.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

What you think is not wrong. From what I have heard from some non-white Aussies, even Greeks faced problems in becoming citizens till '70s because they were not "as white". I think till late Australia had a law forbidding any non-white from becoming a citizen. So yes, you are right there, and it does not bode well for the browns and blacks there.

I wonder how things will unfold now, because after that stabbing (of a cop) incident by an Islamist many new gangs of the young white Australians surfaced and they are always looking for the brown skin to... you know what.

The aussies consider themselves to be outpost of west in the east, they're perpetually creating a 'western coccon' for themselves in the rough east. They may be here, but they are not one of us, the 'inferior' people of the eastern hemisphere. If you go through their media, it's almost like attention seeking w****es to Hollywood, American media etc. Even in this crisis, I suspect there will be few who wil be thinking 'see we are suffering like America did in 9/11' or 'we are west so we are facing the same kinds of problems they are' and so on

 

[Shatterpoint]

The aussies consider themselves to be outpost of west in the east, they're perpetually creating a 'western coccon' for themselves in the rough east. They may be here, but they are not one of us, the 'inferior' people of the eastern hemisphere. If you go through their media, it's almost like attention seeking w****es to Hollywood, American media etc. Even in this crisis, I suspect there will be few who wil be thinking 'see we are suffering like America did in 9/11' or 'we are west so we are facing the same kinds of problems they are' and so on

You are a idiot, along with the rest of your Indian racist brothers.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

You are a idiot, along with the rest of your Indian racist brothers.

Refute the argument instead of trolling

 

[venu309]

And in Australia of all places, the issue doesn't even have to be genuine for them to get racist. This will definitely set that white trash country off down the road of racial retribution. I think even Indians will get targeted under this pretext.

How far far away from the truth you are......you are quite ill informed about Australia.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

How far far away from the truth you are......you are quite ill informed about Australia.

Then the Australians are to blame for the persisting image. I know people who have been on casual business trips who have experienced this too. I avoid the country actually.

 

[Shatterpoint]

Refute the argument instead of trolling

You are a fool, and so are the rest of the Indians who claim that Australia is a racist country, you know nothing about Australia. I bet you are one of those disgusting Indians that think India is not a racist country and rape and child abuse does not happen in India, you are a fool and you post things on the internet that make you look a bigger fool

Is that why so many Indians run to Australia looking for a better life? Because Australia is racist we have 500k Indians living here? You are a disgusting, slimy Indian best that you and the rest of these India who come here illegally stay in in the shit hole you call India.

 

[AgentOrange]

I hope the hostages come out of this unharmed and the terrorists come out of this very harmed.