Gujrat Muslims' massacar supportd by Govt

[harrymohan]

The bottom line is, in India political leaders are pardoned by the system if they are named in riots and instigating mobs to kill people.
In 1984 Anti Sikh Sajjan Kumar, Jagdeish Titller, Bhagat all are set free by CBI and all even though some commissions recommended these ppl were culprits.
Same goes with Babri Masjid LK Advani and Gujrat riots Modi and Hindu extremist.
It's not Indians want them to be free and on road but a common man is so helpless and weak and System is so corrupt that these leaders know how to use and manipulate it.
At the same time, Pakistanis who think minorities such as Sikhs and Muslims are killed daily, opportunity is not given and differentiated, should try to get Indian visa and visit places such as Delhi, Bombay, Agra to better understand how people live together of different religion.

P.S -: Those of you thinking justice to muslims would be done in the form of leaders getting executed or going to jails, keep on dreaming. Nothing of this sort is gonna happen.

 

[prithwidw]

Kar sevaks burnt inside a train followed by killing of Muslims.

When Kar Sevaks were killed inside that train - why were investigations not handed over to the CBI?

When Innocent Muslims were killed - what did the state machinery do to stop all that. Even this should be handed over to the CBI.

There is no justification for killing innocent people, be it Muslims or Christians etc for some tragic happenings (killing of Kar Sevaks).

 

[iforgotmypassword]

I believe muslims of india should see it for themselves, how secular India really is and how in reality miniorities are allowed to practise their rights.

I think so too. Barring a few blemishes, the record is clean.

 

[Titanium]

I think so too. Barring a few blemishes, the record is clean.

Yeah

On the 27th, the CM called a meeting at his residence. The chief secretary, home secretary, the DGP were all there and he [Modi] said: ‘Bhaiyon, samjho, hinduon ka gussa teen din mein utrega. Beech mein aana nahi. In logon ko kaam karne do.”

 

[iforgotmypassword]

teen din

It has been 22,867 days since India in its current avatar. Blemishes.

 

[EjazR]

@Gazzi
According GoP around 33,000 Pakistanis have been killed in the last 10 years. That's 3,300 on average. And this doesn't include the secretarian deaths and Baloch insurgency. The number of IDPs are close to a million.

In Gujarat, in 2002, around 2000 people, mostly muslims but hindus as well. Even in J&K in the past 20 years, according to offcial records, ~ 45,000 people which includes, troopers, militants and civilians were killed.

You can do the math and see for yourself what the situation is


@democracyspeaks
So now you are saying that the Gujrati Muslims being killed is justified because the Kashmir pandits were targeted and killed by crazies in J&K and supposedly the "minorities" have forgotten about it. What perverted logic is this that you punish someone for the crime of someone else? Did the poor Gujratis killed in the riots have any power to do anything in J&K? Similarly do we blame all Gujaratis or the entire state for the crimes of a few who were in power and failed to protect their fellow Gujratis? Not at all. Did you also know that out of the 15000+ civilians killed in the 20 year old conflict, 14000 were Kashmiri muslims.

And you are wrong if you say people of J&K have forgotten about it. The locals never wanted the pandits to leave. The current govt. is doing all it can to rehabilitate kashmiri pandits and provide relief to them. Why don't you follow news from something other than propaganda sites and find out the truth.
Rs2.19 cr disbursed among next of kin of Kashmiri Pandits - dnaindia.com
The Hindu : Front Page : “219 Kashmiri Pandits killed by militants since 1989”
Mini Township to rehabilitate 40,000 Kashmiri Pandit Migrants | GroundReport


Any killing of innocents should be categorically condemned there is no ifs or buts about it. Because if you don't, there is no difference between you and those so-called Muslims (e.g. OBL)who justify killing of innocent civilians in the name of Islam just because of legitimate and at times exaggerated grievances they have. The only difference is you are using the name f Hinduism for this which like Islam does not justify killing of innocents. And remember that this type of thinking will keep getting marginalized.

The important point is that the victims should get relief and justice regardless of faith and as a nation we should resolve to never let such a thing happen again. If the crimes were committed by someone, only those people should be punished regardless of faith. There is no logic to collective punishment. This concept is only used to get political dividends. So that means making sure that any administration in the future, regardless of which political party they belong should not be allowed to use religious nationalism in the name of Islam, Hinduism or any other religion.

 

[rangbaaz]

wherever it is, whatever the reasons are, killing innocent people is simply WRONG. Regardless of which state, race, religion they belong to.

Allah Subhanahu wa-ta'ala says in Quran:

Whoever kills a human being, then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life it is as though he had saved all mankind

 

[Adwitiya]

Cut the crap guys those guys who burned the train were muslims ok fine but those who were inside the train were not also innocents and down the line we all know they were not just peaceful karsewaks and what they have been involved.

Justifying Muslim massacare on the name of some 500 year or some 1000 year old history damn it this is 2010 and you are a secular nation. My great great grand dad stole ur pen so i will steal from your neighbours grand grand son. WTF

Dont make a laughing stock of yourself by justifying such acts by whatsoever be the reason valid or invalid there is nothing in the world which can justify innocent blood.

Gujrat riots are a blotch on us and thats a fact. We just cant get away with by just giving examples from history. we ourself are writing the history for generations to come. what you want 1000 year down the line some idiot kills hindus for they killed muslims in 2002

 

[asq]

Hang Modi.

Would be feasible in Zia's Pakistan as he did with Bhutto!

Such a state of Kangaroo Court has not visited India as yet.

The Court has not been able to pin it on him.

Teesta Setelvad, Seema Mustapha and a whole lot of others including the present govt with all its agencies and power are still trying their best.
And the present govt has electoral interest too and they are leaving no stones unturned including successfully causing rebellion against Modi to include making the Home Minister Zaphadia who was in charge of the police during the riots a turncoat and a rebel against Modi !

Who know, this election Modi will be out!

Law, and not kangaroo courts which was the norm in Pakistan in Zia's time, is what still runs India!


Without Moslem votes he would not have the overwhelming numbers that he has!

Exectly the same for Hafiz saeed in pakistan and Indian cry that why Hafiz saeed is walking free.

Now you know why.

Some times we need people like zia as long as they hang the criminal. Courts have failed and are failing on each and every serious case.

And yes Courts can be hijacked by clever talking Lawyers.

 

[asq]

Cut the crap guys those guys who burned the train were muslims ok fine but those who were inside the train were not also innocents and down the line we all know they were not just peaceful karsewaks and what they have been involved.

Justifying Muslim massacare on the name of some 500 year or some 1000 year old history damn it this is 2010 and you are a secular nation. My great great grand dad stole ur pen so i will steal from your neighbours grand grand son. WTF

Dont make a laughing stock of yourself by justifying such acts by whatsoever be the reason valid or invalid there is nothing in the world which can justify innocent blood.

Gujrat riots are a blotch on us and thats a fact. We just cant get away with by just giving examples from history. we ourself are writing the history for generations to come. what you want 1000 year down the line some idiot kills hindus for they killed muslims in 2002

U should read this article before blaming Muslims for burning the Godra train.

According to this Muslim were being set up by VJP crimnals to fight back to protect their property and honor.

Godhra questions

 

[Adwitiya]

U should read this article before blaming Muslims for burning the Godra train.

According to this Muslim were being set up by VJP crimnals to fight back to protect their property and honor.

Godhra questions

See when you commit a crime a counter offensive is always created. whatever be the reason but they cannot justify killing of innocents. End of the story. If they did then they should suffer.......... Does not matter who drew the first blood

 

[asq]

See when you commit a crime a counter offensive is always created. whatever be the reason but they cannot justify killing of innocents. End of the story. If they did then they should suffer.......... Does not matter who drew the first blood

u did not get it, Muslims were being set by BJP to get involved so that BJP coulsd win the elections, and did by killing thousands of Muslims for the goodra train, now thewre are conflicint sotries . Onr story is that Col. prohit set fire to this train and blamed it on Muslims so that Modi and his cronies could win the elections.

Butr where is the justice when 50 Hindus are killed that 5000 Muslims are killed, is MUlsim blood so cheap.

U talk about counter offensive as if there is no Law in Inda, and that u do and u will take law in yur own hands and do the jusirce your way by killing innocents. u Indians talk about Secularism and law abiding country of India is realy a farce. is it.

 

[thebrownguy]

u did not get it, Muslims were being set by BJP to get involved so that BJP coulsd win the elections, and did by killing thousands of Muslims for the goodra train, now thewre are conflicint sotries . Onr story is that Col. prohit set fire to this train and blamed it on Muslims so that Modi and his cronies could win the elections.

Butr where is the justice when 50 Hindus are killed that 5000 Muslims are killed, is MUlsim blood so cheap.

U talk about counter offensive as if there is no Law in Inda, and that u do and u will take law in yur own hands and do the jusirce your way by killing innocents. u Indians talk about Secularism and law abiding country of India is realy a farce. is it.

I first want to accept that Gujrat riots were a slap to Indian secularism. I am deeply ashamed that our muslims brothers had to go through something so barbaric.


But you are trying to carve out a disgustingly wrong picture here. Its not as simple as it looks.

The Godhra massacre was a planned one. They had collected large amount of petrol to burn the Kar sevaks, one day in advance.
Do you think 140 litres of petrol can just arrive suddenly in a spontaneous reaction.
A small section of Muslims who did this barbaric act are too be held equally responsible for the destruction that followed.
I am not justifying the massacres of muslims, post Godhra in anyways. I don't think the killing is justified.

It was shameful blot on Indian secularism. But placing the minority group as totally non guilty party and building lame conspiracy theories about Godhra murders is as shameful as justifying the following riots.
Please stop flaming with half baked knowledge.
And the figure of 5000 you have quoted is grossly exaggerated.

 

[asq]

I first want to accept that Gujrat riots were a slap to Indian secularism. I am deeply ashamed that our muslims brothers had to go through something so barbaric.


But you are trying to carve out a disgustingly wrong picture here. Its not as simple as it looks.

The Godhra massacre was a planned one. They had collected large amount of petrol to burn the Kar sevaks, one day in advance.
Do you think 140 litres of petrol can just arrive suddenly in a spontaneous reaction.
A small section of Muslims who did this barbaric act are too be held equally responsible for the destruction that followed.

I am not justifying the massacres of muslims, post Godhra in anyways. I don't think the killing is justified.

It was shameful blot on Indian secularism. But placing the minority group as totally non guilty party and building lame conspiracy theories about Godhra murders is as shameful as justifying the following riots.
Please stop flaming with half baked knowledge.
And the figure of 5000 you have quoted is grossly exaggerated.[/QUOTE


Perhaps u did not read the article I posted, it say clearly that Muslims were being made escpe goat for the reasons that they wer Muslims from the partition day and were being undrmined, insulted, lookdown upon and were treated worst than lower class Indians, targeted for revange by extremists.

Indian Govt did nothing to eleviate the situation for 60 years and the situatuion detriorated to the point of no return When even Peopel passing thgough Godra station were mocking Muslims satation workers.

This was happening under the watch full eyes of Local police, the local politicians and the mayor and all did nothing to difuse the situation, for years all of the ares nonMuslims let it boul over so that Hindu extrmists could take advantage by their acts of thygry, of insults and of disresopect and create an atmosphere volatile enough to boil over.

So it was allowed by GOI which did nothing for 60 yeARS.

Is 60 years not long enough for GOI failing take some action, what were they waiting for, a roit and killing of innocent so that someone could take revange.

I blem GOI fot failing to recognize the seriousness of the situation or may GOI wanted this to happen to punush Muslims.

 

[jeypore]

Gujarat govt supported Muslim massacre: report
Friday, October 26, 2007
NEW DELHI: A private television news network broadcast footage of men accused of taking part in deadly Gujarat riots in 2002 apparently admitting that the Hindu-ruled local government supported violence against Muslims.

India Railway Minister Lalu Prasad Yadev has demanded the arrest of former Chief Minister Gujarat Naredndra Singh Modi whereas Congress said that the report has proved that the incidents were a planned massacre.

The tv network Thursday showed secretly recorded interviews by a news magazine with several people it identified as right-wing Hindus.

The video interviews show several men reportedly boasting about their role in the widespread killings and referring to the involvement of police and tacit support of politicians.

At least 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed after a Muslim mob was accused of torching a train, burning 59 Hindus alive.

The footage shows a man reportedly admitting to slitting a pregnant woman's stomach and bringing out the foetus with a sword -- an incident that has been widely reported in the media.

The news network did not get a later comment from the men whose interviews were secretly taped.

The western Gujarat state is ruled by India's main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and is headed by hawkish Hindu leader Narendra Modi.

Several of those shown on television were said to be Hindu militants from groups affiliated to the BJP.

Rights groups have accused Modi, who faces polls in December, of encouraging the violence.

Last week, Modi walked out of a television interview when persistently quizzed over his role in the riots.

The BJP said it expected "some dirty things" from the ruling Congress party ahead of the elections.

So far, more than a dozen people have been convicted over the bloodshed.

An enquiry by the state-run railways later ruled the fire on the train which sparked the riots was an accident.


Gujarat govt supported Muslim massacre: report

Jana are you by any Chance a Gujarati?