Gujarat: Making of a Fascist State

[KS]

I am not sure about making your self clear, but have you made up your mind, the answer to that is YES.

No im not that rigid type with a closed mind.

U factually refute wat i have posted..and I will gladly accept ur position.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Don’t tell me that BJP is not a pro Hindu party.bjp has great potential if they leave their Hindu ideologies and be secular. I am not saying that don’t vote for bjp. Vote for them but discourage them whenever they play religious politics, criticize their Hindu appeasing slogans like ram mandir, ban on cow slaughtering etc .I support bjp ideas like
-stop Quotas based on religion
- Remove subsidies based on religion
- Bring in common civil code etc.
Yes I agree that congress too plays religious politics and I don’t like or support it, and I believe nobody should.
About Gujarat modi may be pro development but he allowed rioters to freely kill innocents for whatever reason. He should not have done this especially sitting on the chair of a CM. Yes nothing is proved yet but CBI is after him and one day his political power won’t be enough to save himself.

So we agree both national parties play the religion card, not much difference between the two, right?

What about the numerous other fundamentalist parties based on religion/region/language etc, should we ban them all? India is a free and democratic country every individual/political party has a right to practice/preach their ideology as long as they are within the boundaries of law and the Indian constitution

I am a Hindu and a damn proud one too but I won't tolerate when Indian constitution is breached, being secular doesn't mean I have to keep my common sense aside, you say you support 'common civil code', tomorrow if BJP tries to implement the same, the whole bunch of pseudo secularist will label them and the supporters of implementation of 'common civil code' as communal (including you), so do you think you are communal?

About allowing rioters to freely kill innocents, nothing has been proved as of now, they day it will be proved, he should/will pay the price for the same, until then he get the benefit of doubt from the people of Gujrat and law too, just like 10s of our politicians get who have 100s of criminal charges against them

 

[KS]

So we agree both national parties play the religion card, not much difference between the two, right?

What about the numerous other fundamentalist parties based on religion/region/language etc, should we ban them all? India is a free and democratic country every individual/political party has a right to practice/preach their ideology as long as they are within the boundaries of law and the Indian constitution

I am a Hindu and a damn proud one too but I won't tolerate when Indian constitution is breached, being secular doesn't mean I have to keep my common sense aside, you say you support 'common civil code', tomorrow if BJP tries to implement the same, the whole bunch of pseudo secularist will label them and the supporters of implementation of 'common civil code' as communal (including you), so do you think you are communal?

About allowing rioters to freely kill innocents, nothing has been proved as of now, they day it will be proved, he should/will pay the price for the same, until then he get the benefit of doubt from the people of Gujrat and law too, just like 10s of our politicians get who have 100s of criminal charges against them

Lets see some one reply to this post.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

[/QUOTE]So we agree both national parties play the religion card, not much difference between the two, right?[/QUOTE]

Yes we agree that and I see congress as lesser evil (you may differ) I don’t support religious appeasing
Works of congress…The question is do you condemn baberi demolition, ban of cow slaughtering, anti minority speeches of bjp and RSS leaders…etc.
[/QUOTE]What about the numerous other fundamentalist parties based on religion/region/language etc, should we ban them all? India is a free and democratic country every individual/political party has a right to practice/preach their ideology as long as they are within the boundaries of law and the Indian constitution.[/QUOTE]

Discourage them; warn them if they cross the boundary and continue the dirty works why not ban them?.Regional politics is to be allowed to some extend(not to the level of thakery’s) because every region has their voice to be heard.

[/QUOTE]I am a Hindu and a damn proud one too but I won't tolerate when Indian constitution is breached, being secular doesn't mean I have to keep my common sense aside, you say you support 'common civil code', tomorrow if BJP tries to implement the same, the whole bunch of pseudo secularist will label them and the supporters of implementation of 'common civil code' as communal (including you), so do you think you are communal? [/QUOTE]

If BJP Remove their Hindu tag and tell these ideas they will get more followers.

[/QUOTE]About allowing rioters to freely kill innocents, nothing has been proved as of now, they day it will be proved, he should/will pay the price for the same, until then he get the benefit of doubt from the people of Gujrat and law too, just like 10s of our politicians get who have 100s of criminal charges against them [/quote]


Yes technically speaking...He is innocent until proven guilty...And if proven guilty will you be supporting him for his deeds or condemning him..?

 

[Aslan]

No im not that rigid type with a closed mind.

U factually refute wat i have posted..and I will gladly accept ur position.

Well that happened in Gujarat it was indias internal matter, like many others. On the other hand what happened in Bombay was indias internal matter as well. But not completely. But just because the guys that came and did that were from Pakistan dont mean that the gov and ISI and military were all involved. There is no proof. And as far as Hafiz Saeed, if you had failed to notice the Courts in Pakistan are even taking the Gov on acct for different things, so why would they be under pressure to not take any actions against Mr. Saeed.
The only proof that we have seen so far as far as implicating the Pakistani establishment is concerned is coming from this headly dude. Now how authentic is that, but that is a separate issue. Lets stay on the Saeed case. Where is the proof, the GOP took action against him only at the insistence of the indain gov, we didnt ask you guys for proof when we arrested him. A case was filed, we took him to court the court says not guilty. End of story, you guys are not satisfied, there are higher courts you can contact. But where is the proof against the dude. On the contrary the guy that you are calling modi ji, even if he was not directly involved in the killings, which have been shown otherwise by your own channels and all. He was still in power, and the responsibility of such actions lies on his head.

And Ps Pakistan did ask the GOI for a joint investigation which was conveniently declined from your side.

 

[your fear]

now guraj is role model for india state is growing in every field

i wish some leader like him become PM of india

 

[KS]

Yes we agree that and I see congress as lesser evil (you may differ) I don’t support religious appeasing Works of congress…The question is do you condemn baberi demolition, ban of cow slaughtering, anti minority speeches of bjp and RSS leaders…etc.

there is no lesser evil friend..Evil is evil.
Babri demolition - No support though i expect the Muslims to voluntarily give the land for a temple as it is one of Hinduism's holiest place.

Cow slaughter - No

Anti-minority speech - No

But can i expect some thing in return..?

No quotas/reservations based on religion in any institution - majority or minority administered.
Uniform civil code
Subsidy for Amarnath or any other yatra on the lines of Haj subsidy

If BJP Remove their Hindu tag and tell these ideas they will get more followers.

That is one of the great myth that is yet to be busted - that BJP supports Hindus or it has a Hindu tag.

Can u tel me one specific incident where they have said that they favour Hindus over other religions or said that Hindus should have some quota etc..?

Yes technically speaking...He is innocent until proven guilty...And if proven guilty will you be supporting him for his deeds or condemning him..?

If proven guilty - I will condemn him.No second thoughts

 

[Tshering22]

What a stupid thread! So conveniently they forget the massacre of Kashmiri Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists in 1989 when terror spread in the valley. Why how only about one incident selfishly? Why not raise all the issues as a humane gesture?

Show's Pakistani intentions.

 

[amit27]

Don't worry about us. We're not the ones who claim to be secular yet fascist parties like the BJP and RSS are allowed to be part of government which then commit massacres like gujarat.

Oh u want to bring minority rights into the equation lets see how pakistan takes care of its hindu, sikh, christian, ahmedi community.

As many as 60 Hindu men, women and children were forced into abandoning their homes in Memon Goth and taking refuge in a cattle pen all because of a boy from their community who drank water from a cooler placed outside a mosque, police officials and community members told The News.

Hindu families evicted for drinking water from mosque

 

[brahmastra]

what truth an anti India site knows about my Gujarat.
Jay Jay Garvi Gujarat.

 

[amit27]

How Persecution of Christians Remained Unabated...


Christians Killed in a Church in Islamabad
Also in March 2002, five people were killed in an attack on a church in Islamabad, including an American schoolgirl and her mother, while in August of the same year, masked gunmen stormed a Christian missionary school for foreigners in Islamabad, six people were killed and three injured. None of those killed were children of foreign missionaries.

This is country where the law mandates that "blasphemies" of the Qur'an are to be met with punishment and this has put the 1.5% Christian population into a very serious jeopardy. And it was under this law that one Ayub Masih, a Christian, was convicted of blasphemy and sentenced to death in 1998. He was accused by a neighbor of stating that he supported British writer, Salman Rushdie, author of The Satanic Verses.


How is this off topic? when you talking bout minority rights in India im comparing the state of minorities in Pakistan

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

there is no lesser evil friend..Evil is evil.

IAM AFRAID YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND.WHEN WE HAVE NO PERFECT POLITICAL PARTIES TO CHOOSE WE CHOOSE THE ONE WHICH IS CLOSE TO PERFECTION (IN OTHER WORDS CHOOSING THE LESSER EVIL). You see democracy is not the perfect form of government but there is no better system available, so we practice it.

Babri demolition - No support though i expect the Muslims to voluntarily give the land for a temple as it is one of Hinduism's holiest place.

Are you so sure that the destroyed Hindu temple is located at the same place were the masjid was built. Any evidence? Can’t you construct temple very nearby that place?
Even if you have evidence it happened during the periods of emperor’s rule not in modern democratic India. And ancient times there could have been something else in the place of temple. Who knows that temple is not constructed destroying some other ancient gods worship place?

But can i expect some thing in return..?[/B]

No quotas/reservations based on religion in any institution - majority or minority administered.
Uniform civil code

I GUESS YOU DONT SUPPORT BAN OF COW SLAUGHTER AND ANTI MINORITY SPEECH AGREED..

Subsidy for Amarnath or any other yatra on the lines of Haj subsidy

INSTEAD OF THAT I WOULD PREFER HAJ SUBSIDY TO STOPED

That is one of the great myth that is yet to be busted - that BJP supports Hindus or it has a Hindu tag.

Can u tel me one specific incident where they have said that they favour Hindus over other religions or said that Hindus should have some quota etc..?

NO...But their symbols, speeches, support of baberi temple construction, ban of cow slaughtering and what not reflect their ideology. Any person who observes politics will get that.

If proven guilty - I will condemn him.No second thoughts

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I THINK YOU CAN GET MORE SECULAR PERSON IN THE CHAIR OF CM FOR GUJARAT.YOU DONT WAITE FOR COURT VERDICT WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE. THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENE IN THE AIR FOR ME TO SUSPECT HIM AS A FUNDAMENTALIST.BETTER NOT TAKE A RISK..LET HIM COME CLEAN...THAT IS THE ETHICS OF POLITICS.

 

[Nahraf]

No, I don't think so. Infact, RSS & BJP both have failed to protect the interest of Hindus at all front.

RSS, BJP and rest of Hindu lunatic fringe are too busy committing genocide and pograms of Muslims to have any time to "protect the interest of Hindus".

 

[Iggy]

RSS, BJP and rest of Hindu lunatic fringe are too busy committing genocide and pograms of Muslims to have any time to "protect the interest of Hindus".

Dude dont act as an expert on fields which you have no idea ..

 

[Hulk]

BJP need some major communal disturbance and upheavel in the country to revive its (Mis)fortunes. Gujarat is the ideal state to start the process with MODI as thier front man.

Good luck to India!

Not happening Bro, BJP has raised Hindutva so many times, hardly got any support minus that 1 time. So now they understand that it is development that will work. I do not think they will do that.

We need Hindu-Muslim Unity strongly in India.