Guardian | Narendra Modi, a man with a massacre on his hands,is not the reasonable choice for India?

[kaykay]

One thing is clear....there is something in this man Modi. You can hate him or you can support him but surely you can't ignore him.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Did you see me cry?
On the contrary.
I wouldn't touch an Indian with a ten foot pole.

Then mind your business.

 

[armchairPrivate]

Then mind your business.

My business is to having fun with you guys right here on pdf.

 

[Developereo]

Of course not all Indians are voting for Modi. The point is would the Guardian publish a pro Modi article, the other side of the story?

I don't know about the Guardian, but Australian media has been gushing over Modi. It's almost as if the articles are written by Indian fans of Modi.

 

[karan.1970]

="Jab log tumhare khilaf bolne lage samj lo taraki kar rahe ho"

 

[ManojSinghRathore]

dont get fooled by his name,he is a bengali intellectual,which means he ll even sell his mom to be called secular.

Just a curious observation I have made.
The Bangladeshis in PDF are the most vile islamists I have come across, even more so than Pakistanis or Arabs, they even have jamaat and razakaar political parties. But the Bengali's we have are commies and seem to be whipped by Muslims.

I wonder how people of the same ethnicity ended up so drastically different lol.

 

[ManojSinghRathore]

1.Be specific. what does Bengali educated class has to do with it? What is your proposition?
2. Indian army fighting where?
3.What kind of Puppi jhuppi you saw in Bengal exclusively?
4.One more question.How could a group of Bangladeshis can reach India's North West frontier when their looks,culture and language is quite different and distinguishable from North Indians.How could they pass through Central India if the rest of India is so brilliant in keeping them at bay? (apart from the large scale immigration in Mumbai under your favorite SS party)

Answer with logic.Don't give silly one liners.

No offence sir as you seem to be Bengali, but there are many anti-nationals who happen to be Bengali, like arundhati roy and amartya sent and your chief minister.

As for your point number 4, once those illegal bdeshis enter west Bengal, they are free to migrate to oth3r parts of India because you don't need visas to travel to rest of of India. Your govt needs to do more , not make pro-islamic statemts like mamta banerjee makes.

 

[scorpionx]

No offence sir as you seem to be Bengali, but there are many anti-nationals who happen to be Bengali, like arundhati roy and amartya sent and your chief minister.

As for your point number 4, once those illegal bdeshis enter west Bengal, they are free to migrate to oth3r parts of India because you don't need visas to travel to rest of of India. Your govt needs to do more , not make pro-islamic statemts like mamta banerjee makes.

Brilliant!! What does their ethnicity has to do with Anti nationalism? I feel some of the political leaders in Northern and Western part of this country far more threat to national integrity. Do you think that terming Muslims as invaders and rapists of Hindu women in 21st Century for cheap vote bank policy is not a threat to Indian Unity? For 67 years, politics in North India has been based on religious bigotry and caste politics;be it coming from Samajwadi party, congress or BJP. This has done considerable damage to the inherent fabric of the society, far worse than what Arundhuti Roy or Mamata Bannerjee tries to do.

And I find it ridiculous to argue with someone who questions Amartya Sen's idea of nationalism. Understanding Sen without knowing his family background, without reading his works is beyond the capacity of juvenile members here.So let keep aside him for the moment.

As for your point number 4, once those illegal bdeshis enter west Bengal, they are free to migrate to oth3r parts of India because you don't need visas to travel to rest of of India. Your govt needs to do more , not make pro-islamic statemts like mamta banerjee makes.

Sir, this was not my point. Distinguishing Banglaeshis among West Bengalis is not that easy as you think. How can you expect Bannerjee to work more when stopping Bangladeshis at border is the duty of the Central Government? How do you expect her to do better when politicians could not separate them from other Indians often deliberately?

 

[MadDog]

He can outwit any of your politicians in no time.

Buddy thats why I never said Pakistani politicians should play their cards...I used the word establishment...thats the military...and whenever it comes to India...military makes the decisions not politicians

 

[HariPrasad]

I hope BJP wins the election, but someone else becomes PM.



If he gets elected, the reason will be his promises and agenda, which revolves around progress and prosperity of India.

Naheru Family with blood in there hand is fit for All constitutional position but Modi is not fit.

 

[Indian-King]

="Jab log tumhare khilaf bolne lage samj lo taraki kar rahe ho"

In this regard Arvind Kejriwal is far ahead of feku the god of namotards

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Brilliant!! What does their ethnicity has to do with Anti nationalism? I feel some of the political leaders in Northern and Western part of this country far more threat to national integrity. Do you think that terming Muslims as invaders and rapists of Hindu women in 21st Century for cheap vote bank policy is not a threat to Indian Unity? For 67 years, politics in North India has been based on religious bigotry and caste politics;be it coming from Samajwadi party, congress or BJP. This has done considerable damage to the inherent fabric of the society, far worse than what Arundhuti Roy or Mamata Bannerjee tries to do.

And I find it ridiculous to argue with someone who questions Amartya Sen's idea of nationalism. Understanding Sen without knowing his family background, without reading his works is beyond the capacity of juvenile members here.So let keep aside him for the moment.


Sir, this was not my point. Distinguishing Banglaeshis among West Bengalis is not that easy as you think. How can you expect Bannerjee to work more when stopping Bangladeshis at border is the duty of the Central Government? How do you expect her to do better when politicians could not separate them from other Indians often deliberately?

Though it seems ridiculous but there is some introspection that needs to be done by Indian Bengalis and other Eastern people.

Secondly, the religious bigotry (actually mostly caste bigotry) that has been peddled in North India can not be a reasonable justification for the kind of appeasement that continues in Bengal, sorry to say.

Arundhati Roy is not Bengali Rathore saab ne gaalti kar di

Amartya Sen - I have serious problems with his views and his elitist attitude. I did read his Argumentative Indian. His recent forays into Indian history was almost infantile. His amateurish approach coupled with his personal bias made his inexperience in history very evident. I also have serious problem with his thesis papers, but since I am not an economist, I will gladly leave that to Sen Plus I thank him for having fathered Nandana Sen

As for Mamata Banerjee - IMO she is quite helpless now. There is no denying that Bengal is perhaps among the most Islamist states (not necessarily in terms of population). I mean even JnK also did not give money to private imams. Omar never tied up with our Grand Mufti(yes we have one lunatic who drove away Pragash, our only girl band) and claimed to be the Secular Uno!
At the same time the number of riots have also increased phenomenally in Bengal. I mean in UP or Bihar I can understand, but in Bengal! When it comes to specifically Muslim appeasement, Bengal comes first, beating my state by a long run. But then there's a huge illegal Bangladeshi Muslim population that has now settled there. So not sure if the point of no return has already been crossed or not. In fact after Afzal Guru was hanged, Kashmir University was defeated by Osmania and Jadavpur in terms of protests organized

There is a serious problem. There's no denying that.

Plus there are illegal Bangladeshis all over India now Even in the houseboats in Dal Lake you will find them working as cooks etc. They are the cheapest. There is a trend to hiring Orissa people also.

 

[scorpionx]

Though it seems ridiculous but there is some introspection that needs to be done by Indian Bengalis and other Eastern people.

Tell me more about it. I am curious. And also let me know which part of Argumentative Indian makes you believe that Sen's grip on Indian History is infantile.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Tell me more about it. I am curious. And also let me know which part of Argumentative Indian makes you believe that Sen's grip on Indian History is infantile.

As for introspection required - I have provided a number of instances I found disturbing. If Bengalis think that is fine, I have no issues. I respect your judgement.

I am traveling. I will post when I reach home
For now this should be able to point to some aspects -
The Asian Review of Books
Effort to right wrongs leaves past shackled | History & Archaeology | Times Higher Education

Gordon Johnson, president of Wolfson College, Cambridge, and general editor of "The New Cambridge History of India", argues that Amartya Sen's political aim is to expose "India's new cultural chauvinism", which "relates Indian identity to a particular sort of Hinduism" fanning communal violence, before a dispassionate analysis of historical facts:[3]


Amartya Sen's own political agenda is clear for all to see and is wholly admirable [...] Given the virtue of Sen's position, to which nearly all of us would subscribe, it is hard to have to say that "The Argumentative Indian" proves on close reading to be a flawed book. This is because Sen does not go beyond stating self-evident truths. Although nicely written, and with many points of interest, there is a thinness and superficiality about the whole that displeases. [...] My greatest disappointment with this book is that its use of history is as unscrupulous and trivialising as that of those Sen wishes to bring down. "The Argumentative Indian" is not sufficiently thoughtful and serves as a forceful reminder that history is constantly being used in a dangerously naive way.

Johnson questions several historical examples, e.g.

There is a more serious distortion of Mughal history. The Mughal emperor Akbar, who ruled from 1556 to 1605, is always compared to Aurangzeb, who ruled from 1658 to 1707. There has long been a 1066 and All That view of these rulers, and it is one to which Sen repeatedly subscribes. Akbar was a good thing because he was nice to Hindus [... and] Aurangzeb [...] was a fundamentalist Islamic bigot and implemented policies that discriminated against his non-Muslim subjects, which was all a bad thing and caused the downfall of the Mughal Empire. But this is a grossly over-simplified account of Akbar, whose reign saw some pretty bloody politics and whose position on religion seems not too far removed from that of contemporary European princes with their resort to axe and fire. And it misreads the whole of the second half of the 17th century. Of course Aurangzeb was keen on Islam (or on a particular strain of it), and his piety spilled out into public policy. Of course he was cruel to his subjects, among them Hindus. But under Aurangzeb the Mughal Empire reached its greatest extent and successfully incorporated military, political and social elites of all religions into its structure. By the time of his death, the Mughals had created an extraordinarily sophisticated political and economic regime commanding consent despite its intolerances and its religious enthusiasm.​

 

[scorpionx]

@SarthakGanguly

Do you agree with Gordon Johnson's criticism?