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[Trisolaran]

it is dozen years before being a real threat.
They have to purchase a fighter for stop gap between F16 and their TFX. EF2000?


I will let greek people answer, but you can be sure in case of a conflict between Greece and Turkey that France and USA will be on the Greel side. The Erdogan's turkey is a massive foe in the region.

We know that and thats why Turkey will not attack Greece before make sure that no one can come to help of Greece. And that kind of guarantee can come with nuclear weapons only.
But thats unrealistic thing now.. Neither France or USA help Greece for "dEmOcRacY" but to balance Turkey with Greece and stop our influence in Middle east + Africa

 

[Foinikas]

This is very good and informative thread, I want to ask one question..
Do you Greeks thing your current military strategy is good planned?
I see Greek strategy like this : a navy and land army to defend the islands, then an air force superior enough to destroy military bases, ports and bridges in the Western Turkey.
but while making all these plans, it seems that you only see the Turkish air force as a real competitor and our other advantages are ignored, Even ıf everythin go according to plan and Greek airforce dominate Aegan skies, There will be enough air defence systems to protect Turkish mainland and enough cruise,ballistic,anti ship missiles to hit Greek ships airfields and ports and there is enough satellite systems to coordinate such missile strikes.








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Our doctrine is purely defensive. We can't invade Anatolia and whoever invades in Thrace will be hit by artillery. Our side is a bit more mountainous and your side is flat. So whoever invades will suffer heavy casualties,theoretically.

As for the sea,the islands only have small garrisons and despite Akar's propaganda of "Greece arming the islands",I don't think a few M1117 Guardian and M113s are a threat to Turkey. Even if some of the larger islands have some M48A5 MOLF.

You can check the first pages to see some nice maps and photos!

 

[BON PLAN]

Neither France or USA help Greece for "dEmOcRacY" but to balance Turkey with Greece and stop our influence in Middle east + Africa

I don't agree. France has just to stand two SSN in the Aegean sea and Turkey navy is out.
It's not only a democratic question. Erdogan is a kind of small 21st century Hitler. He is very dangerous.

When the french frigate was threatens by 2 turkish ones when we want to control what was inside a turkish civilian ship (weapons for Lybia...), some weeks after there was a NATO meeting where the turkish generals were nearly physically hurt by US top brass generals, because the proofs given by the french (turkish frigates opening their fire radar against the french one) were indiputable.
For the US eyes Turkey is no more a close ally. Not a foe, but no more a friend.

 

[Trisolaran]

When the french frigate was threatens by 2 turkish ones when we want to control what was inside a turkish civilian ship (weapons for Lybia...), some weeks after there was a NATO meeting where the turkish generals were nearly physically hurt by US top brass generals, because the proofs given by the french (turkish frigates opening their fire radar against the french one) were indiputable.
For the US eyes Turkey is no more a close ally. Not a foe, but no more a friend.

If France thing he have right to harass Turkish ships or have right to enter Turkish EEZ than ofc military will stop them, It is simple act of defence.. It was a suprise when Frenchs attacked a civillian ship in 2020 but now its impossible.. And ofcourse we are not friends anymore, France didnt support Greeks in 90s but they support now, Why? Because Turkey also support all kind of Anti French organization and fighter groups in West africa + Sahara

Our doctrine is purely defensive. We can't invade Anatolia and whoever invades in Thrace will be hit by artillery. Our side is a bit more mountainous and your side is flat. So whoever invades will suffer heavy casualties,theoretically.

As for the sea,the islands only have small garrisons and despite Akar's propaganda of "Greece arming the islands",I don't think a few M1117 Guardian and M113s are a threat to Turkey. Even if some of the larger islands have some M48A5 MOLF.

You can check the first pages to see some nice maps and photos!

Greek islands are used for insade propaganda because normal Turks actualy dont care about EEZ, air-sea mile problems, They would support only ıf they feel threat, But real problem is EEZ and 6-10 mile in the air.. Both of us thing we are "defending" ourselfs

 

[Foinikas]

If France thing he have right to harass Turkish ships or have right to enter Turkish EEZ than ofc military will stop them, It is simple act of defence..

The incident happened outside Libya. The French frigate was enforcing an arms embargo by the EU and a ship,escorted by a Turkish frigate,refused to be searched. The Turkish frigate targeted the French one 3 times.

t was a suprise when Frenchs attacked a civillian ship in 2020

When did that happen? What's the backstory? Maybe we are talking about the same thing?

 

[BON PLAN]

If France thing he have right to harass Turkish ships or have right to enter Turkish EEZ than ofc military will stop them, It is simple act of defence.

You are wrong. The french frigate and the 2 turkish ones were there for the same purpose : to prevent illegal weapons delivery to Lybia (NATO operation "Sea Gardian"). But when the ship is a turkish one, then all change and our "ally" moved to a "pirate"

Read following the truth : https://www.asafrance.fr/item/affaire-courbet-que-s-est-il-passe.html
"Shortly after 5 p.m., the Courbet spotted a Turkish freighter – the Circkin – under the Tanzanian flag. For several months, this boat has been identified by the IMO (International Maritime Organization) (2) as a ship smuggling weapons. On the hull, its identification number is hidden and its AIS beacon (number 5IM389) (3) , which allows automatic recognition, is stopped. The Marcom – who commands the NATO force – asks Courbet to “question him”. Two Turkish missile frigates - Oruç Reis (F-245) and Gökova (F-496) -, which nevertheless participate in the NATO exercise, intervene, engaging in a hostile maneuver."

And ofcourse we are not friends anymore

I only agree to that. Turkey is now a danger for Greece, for France, for Egypt, for Israel.

 

[Trisolaran]

When did that happen? What's the backstory? Maybe we are talking about the same thing?

Sorry for late answer, as I new member I have limited right to write

This incident happend a year after the crisis with French frigate.. İn 2020 Turkish navy was guarding all civillian ships but a year later there was no serius threat in Libya and ships were going alone and thats when one of the French frigate from Irıni operation fleet attack Turkish ship.. İn april 2021

You are wrong. The french frigate and the 2 turkish ones were there for the same purpose : to prevent illegal weapons delivery to Lybia (NATO operation "Sea Gardian"). But when the ship is a turkish one, then all change and our "ally" moved to a "pirate"

Read following the truth : https://www.asafrance.fr/item/affaire-courbet-que-s-est-il-passe.html
"Shortly after 5 p.m., the Courbet spotted a Turkish freighter – the Circkin – under the Tanzanian flag. For several months, this boat has been identified by the IMO (International Maritime Organization) (2) as a ship smuggling weapons. On the hull, its identification number is hidden and its AIS beacon (number 5IM389) (3) , which allows automatic recognition, is stopped. The Marcom – who commands the NATO force – asks Courbet to “question him”. Two Turkish missile frigates - Oruç Reis (F-245) and Gökova (F-496) -, which nevertheless participate in the NATO exercise, intervene, engaging in a hostile maneuver."


I only agree to that. Turkey is now a danger for Greece, for France, for Egypt, for Israel.

If its a Turkish ship than it cannot be raid by French navy, İt's simple.. Even in French source there is nothing about French frigate try to communicate with Turkish frigates.. Also France was part of another operation wich is independent from NATO missions aka İrini

 

[BON PLAN]

If its a Turkish ship than it cannot be raid by French navy, İt's simple.. Even in French source there is nothing about French frigate try to communicate with Turkish frigates.. Also France was part of another operation wich is independent from NATO missions aka İrini

LOL. In this case it would be impossible for a X frigate to stop a drug traffic because the ship is not from a X nationality !
A civilian ship is not a navy one.

Turkey is gradually coming to terms with the reality that the Greece's air force could soon field a more technologically advanced fighter fleet in just a few years.

"If our project to modernize the F-16 aircraft fails and Greece realizes its own projects, the Greek side will gain the upper hand in terms of combat aircraft in 2025," said retired Turkish Air Force commander General Abidin Unal. "Therefore, our program to procure 40 F-16 Viper aircraft and modernize up to 80 F-16s is vital."

"New Jersey Democrat Bob Menendez, remains adamant that he will block the sale indefinitely unless Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan implements sweeping policy changes."

F-16 Modernization Increasingly Important For Turkey As Greece Gradually Gains Unprecedented Airpower Advantage

Turkey is gradually coming to terms with the reality that the Greece's air force could soon field a more technologically advanced fighter fleet in just a few years.

www.forbes.com

 

[BON PLAN]

It was a suprise when Frenchs attacked a civillian ship in 2020

What is that story? An attack?
how many casualties?

 

[Foinikas]

What is that story? An attack?
how many casualties?

All the incidents here:

 

[BON PLAN]

All the incidents here:


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The turkish vision of the event. Not the rest of NATO one.... but here come diplomacy, not to blame the so irritable Turkey...

Why refusing a turkish vessel inspection if all is clear? Because it's unclear. It's as simple as that.

 

[Foinikas]

The turkish vision of the event. Not the rest of NATO one.... but here come diplomacy, not to blame the so irritable Turkey...

Why refusing a turkish vessel inspection if all is clear? Because it's unclear. It's as simple as that.

As you can see,they kept refusing to have the ships checked. And then they try to lecture us about "international law". They say they want to get in the EU but won't abide by a EU embargo on weapons in Libya.

Anyway,here are some German instructors with Greek crews on the Marder 1A3s

 

[furkan123]

The turkish vision of the event. Not the rest of NATO one.... but here come diplomacy, not to blame the so irritable Turkey...

Why refusing a turkish vessel inspection if all is clear? Because it's unclear. It's as simple as that.

a little logic lesson from me, baby, if it is clean as we say, why should I let you search my ship for no reason you are the cops this world or what international waters or on the continental shelf of Libya. if things became like this you shouldn't be able to move your damn finger but your country threw Libya into this mess and for the money Africans knows first hand they are moving steady fast your side also these issues gonna hurt your head more in the future

 

[Foinikas]

a little logic lesson from me, baby, if it is clean as we say, why should I let you search my ship for no reason you are the cops this world or what international waters or on the continental shelf of Libya. if things became like this you shouldn't be able to move your damn finger but your country threw Libya into this mess and for the money Africans knows first hand they are moving steady fast your side also these issues gonna hurt your head more in the future

There's a UN weapons embargo on Libya. Enforced by EU members.

You try to break the embargo. If the ship is clean,why wouldn't you let them search it,since you are a fellow NATO member and a EU membership candidate?

 

[BON PLAN]

a little logic lesson from me, baby, if it is clean as we say, why should I let you search my ship for no reason you are the cops this world or what international waters or on the continental shelf of Libya. if things became like this you shouldn't be able to move your damn finger but your country threw Libya into this mess and for the money Africans knows first hand they are moving steady fast your side also these issues gonna hurt your head more in the future

Wait and See the Wagner experience in black africa....
Islamists are already winning fields.