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Greece vs Turkiye Military Power : Tactical and Strategic Advantages

Deccan Valley,where Sultan Alamghir spent years campaigning at?

Correct, but Deccan is also where Tipu Sultan, The Tiger of Mysore ( a place now in Karnataka state ) ruled from until 1799 when a combined military of British units, Hyderabad nizam's units, Maratha units, Nair units from Malabar ( now Kerala state ) and the Coorgis ( from now Karnataka state ) defeated him after entering his fort by treachery done by Tipu's deputy Mir Sadiq. Tipu was one of the great rulers of South Asia and he was an internationalist who was much inspired by the French Revolution, corresponded with Napoleon, had French troops training his and had an arrangement with Napoleon to bring in a big unit to India to assist him against the British and their indian allies. IIRC the French got stuck in Egypt. Tipu was the only recent-modern ruler who could have thrown the British out of South Asia gradually. He was a progressive ruler who if had lived by the middle century next century he would have been among the first Communists in India :

Tipu Sultan: a secular internationalist, not a bigot​


The recent offer made by a film producer to Tamil superstar Rajinikanth to act in a movie on the ‘ >Tiger of Mysore ’, Tipu Sultan, has yet again opened up a Pandora’s Box. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and some Hindutva groups have demanded that Rajinikanth refuse the offer. This argument is made on the grounds that Tipu, the 18th century ruler of Mysore state, was a “tyrant” who killed thousands of Hindus as they refused to convert to Islam.

This is not the first time that Tipu’s name has been dragged into a controversy. It began some years back when Sanjay Khan made a tele-serial based on Bhagwan S. Gidwani’s book, The Sword of Tipu Sultan. His name was once again dragged into a controversy when the Congress government intended to celebrate his birth anniversary in 2014. There was opposition when a proposal was made to establish a university named after him.

Colonial historians have projected Tipu as a “religious bigot”, who was instrumental in killing and converting to Islam thousands of Nayars of Kerala, Catholics of Dakshina Kannada and Coorgis of Kodagu. Even Kannada chauvinists have projected him as anti-Kannadiga as he was instrumental in changing the local names of places and introducing Persian vocabulary into administration. Marxist historians, on the other hand, have viewed him as “one of the foremost commanders of independence struggle” and a “harbinger of new productive forces”.

>History is unkind to Tipu Sultan . The fact is that Tipu cannot be reduced to a singular narrative or tradition of intolerance or bigotry as he represented multiple traditions. He combined tolerant inter-religious traditions, liberal and secular traditions, anti-colonialism and internationalism. He could do this as he had strong roots in Sufism, which is not explored much by historians. He belonged to the Chisti/Bande Nawaz tradition of Sufism.

In fact, Tipu was radical in more than one sense. He was the first to ban consumption of alcohol in the entire State, not on religious grounds, but on moral and health grounds. He went to the extent of saying: “A total prohibition is very near to my heart.” He is credited with introducing missile or rocket technology in war. He was the first to introduce sericulture to the then Mysore state. He was the first to confiscate the property of upper castes, including Mutts, and distribute it among the Shudras. He is also credited with sowing the seeds of capitalist development at a time when the country was completely feudal. He thought about constructing a dam across the Cauvery in the present-day location of Krishnaraja Sagar. He completed the task of establishing a biodiversity garden named Lal Bagh.

His tolerance is reflected in his annual grants to no less than 156 temples, which included land deeds and jewellery. His army was largely composed of Shudras. When the famed Sringeri Mutt, established by Shankaracharya, was invaded by the Maratha army, he issued a firman to provide financial assistance for reinstallation of the holy idol and restoring the tradition of worship at the Mutt. His donation to the famous Srikanteshwara temple at Nanjangud; the donation of 10,000 gold coins to complete temple work at Kanchi; settling the disputes between two sects of priests at the Melkote temple; and gifts to Lakshmikanta temple at Kalale are all well-known. Interestingly, Srirangapatna, a temple town, remained his permanent capital till the end of his rule. He was also instrumental in constructing the first-ever church in Mysuru. Incidentally, well-known historian B.A. Saletore calls him “defender of Hindu Dharma”.

The allegation of forcible conversions has to be seen in the background of political exigencies — either they were with the colonialists such as in the case of Christians of Dakshina Kannada, or were waging a protracted guerrilla war as in the case of Coorg. Here, historians have distorted the facts by reducing political exigencies to the “communal ideology” of Tipu.

A ruler, who once identified himself with the American and French Revolution and Jacobinism, has remained an enigma to many. That a man who ruled for just 16 years continues to haunt Hindutva groups obviously means that Tipu continues to exist in the political discourses, political narratives as well as in the imagination of nation-building. This is where the irony of history lies — one cannot just bury Tipu in the annals of history.

(The writer is chairman, department of political science at the University of Mysore. muzaffar.assadi@gmail.com.)
 
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Ok tell me something,if you are so extremely superior,what's the point of this thread? If your armaments are "not for Greece" as you and your government claim,what's the point of this thread?

You posted it to lick your balls and feel good?


to wake Greeks from their dreams
Greece never can match with Turkiye ... not even close


USA-UK-France-Germany used Ukraine as a pawn against Russia
and USA-UK-France-Germany only watching on TV how Russia destroyed Ukranian cities and took Crimea , Don-Bas even maybe soon Odessa

Your daydreamer Politicians will face with same fate as like Ukraine

stop dreaming and stop being a puppet

PKK/YPG , FETO , HAFTAR , Armenia , ASSAD Regime , IRGC , Hezbol
and now Greece
 
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to wake Greeks from their dreams
Greece never can match with Turkiye ... not even close


USA-UK-France-Germany used Ukraine as a pawn against Russia
and USA-UK-France-Germany only watching on TV how Russia destroyed Ukranian cities and took Crimea , Don-Bas even maybe soon Odessa

Your daydreamer Politicians will face with same fate as like Ukraine

stop dreaming and stop being a puppet
No,no you didn't do it "to wake Greeks from their dreams".

You did it because you want to brag,to flex. To show how strong your country is and to prove to Pakistanis,Chinese,Iranians and Arabs and Europeans and Americans here,that "Turkiye is a superpower".

Maybe it's an inferiority complex. Maybe it's insecurity.

As for the dreams,somebody else is the one with dreams and imperial aspirations. Somebody else and not the Greeks,are making maps and trying to re-write history. An islamic populist government is feeding its people with dreams of new conquests by reminding them of the old ones,constantly.

Day-dreamer Turkiye which can be brought to its senses with an economic collapse or a kick out of NATO.
 
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No,no you didn't do it "to wake Greeks from their dreams".

You did it because you want to brag,to flex.

We dont need to brag and to flex

We want to warn Greece ..... because USA-France-Germany wants to use Greece as a pawn against Turkiye


since 2013 Turkiye fought USA-France and their proxies/terrorists FETO , PKK/YPG , HAFTAR , etc in İraq,Syria,Libya

now they're putting on a new puppet to fight against Turkiye
Greeks and Turks will fight each others , and USA-France-Germany will be happy and laugh on us


To show how strong your country is and to prove to Pakistanis,Chinese,Iranians and Arabs and Europeans and Americans here,that "Turkiye is a superpower".

on internet ?

We show it on the battlefield

As for the dreams,somebody else is the one with dreams and imperial aspirations. Somebody else and not the Greeks,are making maps and trying to re-write history.

what about trash Seville map ?
even no any value by international law

daydreamer Greece wants to steal oil-gas reserves and 150.000 km of land from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

100 years ago we gave you a lesson
you want a lesson again

Day-dreamer Turkiye which can be brought to its senses with an economic collapse or a kick out of NATO.

keep dreaming dream is free
 
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Strange thread considering the fact that everyone knows Turkey is more militarily capable.

But it's not as if Greece wouldn't be able to put up a decent defence considering the equipment they possess, and I do hope Turkish people realise that if they push things too far NATO and the EU will side with Greece over them.
 
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what about trash Seville map ?
even no any value by international law
For your information,yesterday,the EU,Germany and the U.S. said that Greece stands with international law,the islands are rightfully Greek and Turkey should stop provocations :)

A spokesperson for the German government told a regular news conference in Berlin on Wednesday that Chancellor Olaf Scholz “is of the opinion that, given the current situation, it is necessary for all NATO allies to stand together and refrain from provocations between themselves.”


Invading Greek airspace and flying over Greek islands is not OK, it seems counterproductive and against the spirit of the alliance,” added the spokesperson, who stressed that Germany is committed to resolving the open questions between Greece and Turkey in private dialogue, and on the basis of international law. However, he insisted that “we cannot accept the questioning of the sovereignty of member-states of the European Union.”

keep dreaming dream is free
You call me a dreamer?

Look at your government:

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You must be crazy to call me a dreamer. Or a hypocrite. Look at the maps you're printing. You're dreaming of new conquests and expansion. You have an aggressive government ruling you.


100 years ago we gave you a lesson
you want a lesson again
100 years ago,100 years ago...

When you're cornered you always say "100 years ago hur dur" 😂
 
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Strange thread considering the fact that everyone knows Turkey is more militarily capable.

But it's not as if Greece wouldn't be able to put up a decent defence considering the equipment they possess, and I do hope Turkish people realise that if they push things too far NATO and the EU will side with Greece over them.

Turkiye will lose money
but Greece will lose Islands


Ukraine made a mistake to trust in treacherous USA and The EU
USA and The EU provoked Ukraine against Russia

RESULT = Ukraine lost Crimea , also Don-Bas , maybe also Odessa
and Ukranian cities were destroyed by the Russian Armed Forces

since 2014 pathetic USA-UK-France-Germany only watching on TV how Russia destroyed Ukranian cities and took Crimea , Don-Bas
 
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For your information,yesterday,the EU,Germany and the U.S. said that Greece stands with international law,the islands are rightfully Greek and Turkey should stop provocations

we dont care about Bandit countries who also used terrorist FETO,PKK/YPG,HAFTAR,etc to fight Turkiye

by international law you have zero right

So you admit that you're an aggressive,expansionist,militarist,imperialist country.


no Greece is a puppet country which using by aggressive,expansionist,militarist,imperialist USA-France
 
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we dont care about Bandit countries who also used terrorist FETO,PKK/YPG,HAFTAR,etc to fight Turkiye

by international law you have zero right
AHAHAHAHA!

You are the ONLY country that says we have "zero rights" by international law! Everybody else says we are the ones who are right by international law. EVERYONE EXCEPT TURKEY!

😂😂😂

Hadi cocuk,go play Tetris.
 
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You call me a dreamer?

Look at your government:

by international law
Turkiye has the longest coast-line in the Eastern Mediterranean

and Turkish mainland generate 200 nm of EZZ

on the other hand a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm ...

so Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island
 
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by international law
Turkiye has the longest coast-line in the Eastern Mediterranean

and Turkish mainland generate 200 nm of EZZ

on the other hand a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm ...

so Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island
Since you're saying the same old bull again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...

You're just repeating the same statements in an endless loop like a bot.

So here. Read and cry:

Screenshot_2021-10-12 The Ordeal of the Greek EEZ - Energy News - Institute of Energy of South...png



Screenshot_2021-10-12 The Ordeal of the Greek EEZ - Energy News - Institute of Energy of South...png
 
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AHAHAHAHA!

You are the ONLY country that says we have "zero rights" by international law! Everybody else says we are the ones who are right by international law. EVERYONE EXCEPT TURKEY!

😂😂😂

Hadi cocuk,go play Tetris.


COCUK keep dreaming with your bandit countries

Not countries but international law generate EEZ
therefore USA-France-Greece can do nothing except using military power and threatens to sanction

since 2013 We paid heavy price ( over $500 billion ) to fight against bandit USA-France and their terrorists FETO,PKK/YPG,HAFTAR,etc

no problem , Greece will be the next puppet to be kicked by the Turkish Armed Forces

Since you're saying the same old bull again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...

You're just repeating the same statements in an endless loop like a bot.

So here. Read and cry:

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and you're saying the same old bull again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

daydreamer Greeks will wake up from their dreams when Turkish missiles will explode on their head

here watch and cry
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COCUK keep dreaming with your bandit countries

Not countries but international lwa says the truth ,
therefore USA-France-Greece can do nothing except using military power and threatens to sanction

since 2013 We paid heavy price ( over $500 billion ) to fight against bandit USA-France and their terrorists FETO,PKK/YPG,HAFTAR,etc

no problem , Greece will be the next puppet to be kicked by the Turkish Armed Forces



and you're saying the same old bull again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

daydreamer Greeks will wake up from their dreams when Turkish missiles will explode on their head
Please stop crying.
 
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