Greece radar locks Turkish F-16 jets during NATO mission

[MMM-E]

Turks never ask for permission from Greece, hence the constant provocations over the Aegean.

Greeks are living in their fantasy world


American Bomber took off in Greece , Turkish F-16s flying in international Airspace


FIR responsibility does not give sovereignty to the state that assumes responsibility over the said areas

and FIR is applicable only to civil aircrafts and not to military aircrafts

 

[Akritas]

American Bomber took off in Greece , Turkish F-16s flying in international Airspace

Β-52 took off from the Fairford airport at the UK, and not from any Greek airport.
It looks clear on the flighradar.
You see the foreign military planes, they have open IFFs and flight plans when they ente and fly to other FIRs, except of course the bullies of the N.Mediterranean, who ask for kickbacks in violation of international aviation safety rules, meaning the Turkish military planes.
B-52 cross over the Europe, in order to fly in Greece.

FIR responsibility does not give sovereignty to the state that assumes responsibility over the said areas

Of course it gives it.

and FIR is applicable only to civil aircrafts and not to military aircrafts

I have already proved you wrong, but because you persist, it means you are promoting a Turkish propaganda lie.

 

[MMM-E]

You see the foreign military planes, they have open IFFs and flight plans when they ente and fly to other FIRs, except of course the bullies of the N.Mediterranean, who ask for kickbacks in violation of international aviation safety rules.
B-52 cross over the Europe, in order to fly in Greece.

B-52 flew in Greek airspace


Turkish F-16s are not flying in Greek airspace , but flying in international airspace
and F-16 is a military aircraft ... FIR is for civil Aircrafts by the International Civil Aviation Organization

so by international agreements , no need to submit their flight plans during their flight in international airspace

Of course it gives it.

only in your dreams

FIR area is not Greek airspace
FIR responsibility does not give sovereignty to Greece and Greece can not do anything when Turkish F-16s flying in international airspace

I have already proved you wrong, but because you persist, it means you are promoting a Turkish propaganda lie.

stop lying
go and learn about FIR and Article 3 of the Chicago Convention

that military aircrafts are not required to submit their flight plans during their flight in international airspace

Turkish F-16s are flying in international airspace ...

I have already proved you wrong

 

[Foinikas]

It's like talking to a bot...

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Papa USA will tell its children to calm down and it will be back to usual.

 

[Beny Karachun]

580 km away from Greece mainland..

Cyprus is as far away from Turkey...

only 2 km away from Turkiye and 580 km away from Greece

I don't know if you believe me but borders are usually 0 km away from the countries they're next to

 

[MMM-E]

Cyprus is as far away from Turkey...

Cyprus is just 70 km away from Turkiye

on the other hand Kastellerizo is just 2 km away from Turkiye and 580 km away from Greece

I don't know if you believe me but borders are usually 0 km away from the countries they're next to

10 km2 tiny Island just 2km away from Turkey which can not generate EEZ of 200 nm to block 783.562 km² Turkish mainland

and Greek Islands have both 6nm airspace and territorial water .... nothing else

 

[Foinikas]

Papa USA will tell its children to calm down and it will be back to usual.

It used to be like that back in the '90s. Now Erdoğan doesn't listen. He's a loose cannon. He tries to look cool for his voters,but makes it worse for his country.

Cyprus is just 70 km away from Turkiye

on the other hand Kastellerizo is just 2 km away from Turkiye and 580 km away from Greece




but 10 km2 tiny Island just 2km away from Turkey which can not generate EEZ of 200 nm to block 783.562 km² Turkish mainland

and Greek Islands have both 6nm airspace and territorial water ....

Stop crying.

 

[MMM-E]

Papa USA will tell its children to calm down and it will be back to usual.

USA-France and their terrorists PKK/YPG , FETO in active fight against Turkiye since 2013

now USA-France use Greece against Turkiye therefore Greece is trying to act bigger than her neck

USA opened many military bases in Greece , and deployed 1.000+ IFV , Tanks , 100+ AH-64 , CH-47 , Blackhawk Helicopters and F-15 , F-35 Fighter Jets in Greece

USA says jump and Greece says how long sir

 

[Foinikas]

USA-France and their terrorists PKK/YPG , FETO in active fight against Turkiye since 2013

now USA-France use Greece against Turkiye therefore Greece is trying to act bigger than her neck

USA opened many military bases in Greece , and deployed 1.000+ IFV , Tanks , 100+ AH-64 , CH-47 , Blackhawk Helicopters and F-15 , F-35 Fighter Jets in Greece

USA says jump and Greece says how long sir

And we're back at the old rhetoric. When he doesn't have an arguement,he goes back to nagging and crying.

 

[MMM-E]

And we're back at the old rhetoric. When he doesn't have an arguement,he goes back to nagging and crying.

I have source to prove my argument

-- FIR is applicable only to civil aircrafts and not to military aircrafts

-- FIR responsibility does not give sovereignty to the state that assumes responsibility over the said areas

-- Article 3 of the Chicago Convention that military aircrafts are not required to submit their flight plans during their flight in international airspace.

and Turkish F-16s flying in international Airspace


You have no any source as always .... only crying and deflect the facts with lies




btw Greeks are crying everywhere from USA to Germany ( please dont sell F-16V to Turkiye , please dont sell Submarine to Turkiye )

Greece hiding behind USA-France and trying to act bigger than her neck

but one day Greece will have to get slapped as like 1922 , 1974 and 1996

 

[Foinikas]

You repeat the same things again and again,even though you have been refuted. There's no point. That's what you always do. It's like talking to a bot,the same message appears and there's no dialogue.

 

[MMM-E]

Stop gabing
and give a souce instead of lying

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The following map is from Eurocontrol, which is the official control body of the FIR of Europe, among those of FIR Athens and FIR Instanbul.


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And the question to the Turkish members of the forum is this: where exactly the incident happened, because according to the Greek side, the Turks NEVER filed a flight plan, as required from ICAO and Eurocntrol and as the Americans did.

And let me be clear: No Turkish fighter plane submits a flight plan to the Athens FIR, hence the fuss in the Aegean, where the Greek fighters lock the Turkish ones.


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Generally Flight Indentification Zones are not based on International Law.
A country may create such a zone and require that aircraft identify themselve to the countrys authorities as soon as they entry the zone and/or provide a flight plan in advance.
The country creating the zone has no right to shoot down an aircraft which enters the zone without providing such information.
The ”punishment” is typically that the aircraft is refused entry into the airspace of the zone owner. A commercial carrier not following the rules may see all its aircraft being refused entry.
The idea is that this system will save money by minimizing the number of interceptions each day.

Military aircraft do not have to report their flight plans, although it is considered polite to do so.

There may be local agreements on top of that.

That map seems totally unfair, how can u claim all of the sea? Even the ones few KMs from Turkish mainland? Where is the Turkish continental shelf? It seems greeks somehow want to legalize their illegitimate claims.

Natural Inhabited islands also have terrritorial waters.
Man-made islands like those that China creates in the South China Se. A does not.

 

[Akritas]

Generally Flight Indentification Zones are not based on International Law.
A country may create such a zone and require that aircraft identify themselve to the countrys authorities as soon as they entry the zone and/or provide a flight plan in advance.
The country creating the zone has no right to shoot down an aircraft which enters the zone without providing such information.
The ”punishment” is typically that the aircraft is refused entry into the airspace of the zone owner. A commercial carrier not following the rules may see all its aircraft being refused entry.
The idea is that this system will save money by minimizing the number of interceptions each day.

Military aircraft do not have to report their flight plans, although it is considered polite to do so.

There may be local agreements on top of that.


Natural Inhabited islands also have terrritorial waters.
Man-made islands like those that China creates in the South China Se. A does not.

Applications of FIR rules are mandatory for all, whether it is a military or civilian aircraft. If this aircraft enters the FIR, without a flight plan, i.e. without a permit, then it is recognized by fighter aircraft, and if it is assessed that there is a flight safety risk, then it is shot down.
Finally, the FIR limits are internationally recognized, and in Europe they following the directives of Eurocontrol and ICAO.

As regards the issue, Turkey always violates the FIR Athens , because it is very simple is the source of a hotbed of problems, the troublemaker of the Eastern Mediterranean.

How would you feel if they flew Russian MiGs to Corsica, without filing a flight plan, because it says they are....military?

Flight information region (FIR/UIR) charts - 2023

Here you will find charts depicting the flight information region (FIR/UIR) in Europe, for the lower and upper airspaces.

www.eurocontrol.int