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is it govinda from the movie Hadh Kar Di Aapnethat's a guy dressed up as Grandmother
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is it govinda from the movie Hadh Kar Di Aapnethat's a guy dressed up as Grandmother
I understand the buddhist regions but the muslim regions? Most of Indians don't like the "muzzies", as they call them, in their country. I doubt they want more.
yes hence it kinda kicks the idea of greater India....greater China overlaps with Greater india
This just blew your troll coverIndian said Mexican were Indian long lost cousin from Indian half, sister, brother in law on their mother side and closely related to their father 1st cousin. The whole world is the greater part of India empire expand from the Eastern to the Western hemisphere.
Indian even claim Japan were generic related to Indian.
who or what is it?because it originated in india and has its nerve center here......
so, its obvious will talk of greater india the otherwise....
The whole civilization revolved around the Vedic religion...Even the politics was based on astrologers again relating to Vedic religion...The term Greater India doesn't have anything to do with the political rule of Indian kingdoms in Southeast Asia.
The term is used by historians to describe the spread of Indian civilization in Southeast Asia.
Well mostly everything came out of Sanskrit...And mind you taking that into account Chinese influence was equally great and lasted longer than the Indian influence esp after the Chola raid ....India's influence on South East Asia just went south and got wiped off because after that Most of S.E.Asia was giving tribute to China...The Indianised kingdoms that were established in Southeast Asia were mostly ruled by the native people.
But the architecture and the art of these kingdoms were influenced by the Gupta Empire and Pala Empire of eastern India.
The different writing systems of Southeast Asia are derived from the south Indian Pallava Dynasty.
lol...who or what is it?
So we are talking about origins? We can date that to Africa...lol...
hinduism, buddhism and jainism.......
meanwhile indian army chief with his brave men and woman.So we are talking about origins? We can date that to Africa...
Southeast Asia with exception of Vietnam was barely influenced by Chinese culture. Most of the alphabets of Southeast Asianwho or what is it?
The whole civilization revolved around the Vedic religion...Even the politics was based on astrologers again relating to Vedic religion...
BTW, historians dont use the word greater India...They prob did once upon a time but I havent read it for a very long time....
Well mostly everything came out of Sanskrit...And mind you taking that into account Chinese influence was equally great and lasted longer than the Indian influence esp after the Chola raid ....India's influence on South East Asia just went south and got wiped off because after that Most of S.E.Asia was giving tribute to China...
lol...this thread was abt greater India nt greater africa.......So we are talking about origins? We can date that to Africa...
Southeast Asia with exception of Vietnam was barely influenced by Chinese culture. Most of the alphabets of Southeast Asian
countries are derived from the south Indian Pallava Dynasty. The medieval architecture of Southeast Asia was heavily influenced by the architecture of the Gupta, Pala and Chola Dynasty. There are also a lot of Indian loan words in Southeast Asian countries. A lot of Southeast Asian people had in the past and still have Indian names. The King of modern Thailand still
uses the Indian title Rama. Many people in Southeast Asia are Buddhists. And the Indian Emperor Ashoka was responsible for the spread of Buddhism to Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia.
You do realize S.E.Asia includes 10 countries not just those on S. Asia mainland?Southeast Asia with exception of Vietnam was barely influenced by Chinese culture. Most of the alphabets of Southeast Asian
countries are derived from the south Indian Pallava Dynasty. The medieval architecture of Southeast Asia was heavily influenced by the architecture of the Gupta, Pala and Chola Dynasty.
No doubt but the language and script as Sanskrit is an old script...many around the world use it..There are also a lot of Indian loan words in Southeast Asian countries. A lot of Southeast Asian people had in the past and still have Indian names. The King of modern Thailand still uses the Indian title Rama. Many people in Southeast Asia are Buddhists. And the Indian Emperor Ashoka was responsible for the spread of Buddhism to Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia.
I clearly stated that most of the Southeast Asian countries use the Indian script and not all.You do realize S.E.Asia includes 10 countries not just those on S. Asia mainland?
Let me give you a brief history + geography lesson:
Indonesia (Uses Latin now they have had 2 other scripts) :
The Balinese script, natively known as Hanacaraka (ᬳᬦᬘᬭᬓ), or Aksara Bali (ᬅᬓ᭄ᬱᬭᬩᬮᬶ), is a pre-colonial script native to the island of Bali, Indonesia. It is commonly used for writing Sanskrit and Balinese. With some modifications, the script is also used to write the Sasak language, used in the neighboring island ofLombok.[1] It is closely related to the Javanese script.
Nowadays, the use of the Balinese script has mostly been replaced by the Latin script. The script is taught in most schools, however few people can actually use it as usage are still limited to religious writings.
Kawi is first attested in a legal document from 804 CE, and was widely used in religious literature written in palm-leaf manuscripts called lontar. Over the Hindu-Buddhist period of Indonesia the shape transients into Javanese, though much of the orthography stays the same. By the 17th century, the script is identified as Carakan[5] or Hanacaraka based on its first five letters.
However, usage of the Javanese script has declined since the invention of a Latin orthography based on Dutch in 1926, and it is now more common to write Javanese in Latin alphabet. Currently, there are only a few newspapers and magazines being printed in the Javanese script, such as Jaka Lodhang. It is still taught in most elementary school and some junior high school as compulsory subject in Javanese language areas.
Malaysia (Uses both Arabic and Latin) and Brunei (Uses both Arabic and Latin)
Brunei and Malaysia:
Jawi (Jawi: جاوي Jāwī; Pattani: Yawi; Acehnese: Jawoë) is an Arabic alphabet for writing the Malay language, Acehnese, Banjarese, Minangkabau, and several other languages in Southeast Asia.
Jawi is one of the two official scripts in Brunei, and is used as an alternate script in Malaysia. Usage wise, it was the standard script for the Malay language but has since been replaced by a Latin alphabet called Rumi,
The word "Jawi" (جاوي) is an adjective for the Arabic nounJawah (جاوة). Both terms may originated from the term "Javadwipa", the ancient name for Java. "Jawah" and "Jawi" may have been used by the Arabs as the catch-all terms in referring to the entire Maritime Southeast Asia and its peoples,[2] similar to the kind of understanding by the later Europeans when coining the terms Malay Archipelago and Malay race.
the Philippines and Singapore use Latin
Vietnam
The Vietnamese language was first written down, from the 13th century onwards, using variant Chinese characters (chữ nôm 字喃), each of them representing one word. The system was based on the script used for writing classical Chinese (chữ nho),
Thai, Lao, Myanmar and Cambodia had similar empires every now and then...
Funan was 1 of the largest...
Kingdom of Funan (Chinese: 扶南; pinyin: Fúnán) was the name given by the Chinese to an ancient kingdom located in southern Southeast Asian centered around the Mekong Delta. The name is found in Chinese historical texts describing the kingdom, and the most extensive descriptions are largely based on the report of two Chinese diplomats representing the Wu Kingdom of Nanking who sojourned in Funan in the mid-3rd century A.D. Known in the modern languages of the region as វ្នំVnom (Khmer) or នគរភ្នំNokor Phnom (Khmer), ฟูนาน (Thai), and Phù Nam (Vietnamese), the name Funan is not found in any texts of local origin from the period, and it is not known what name the people of Funan gave to their polity.
According to modern scholars drawing primarily on Chinese literary sources, a foreigner named "Huntian" [pinyin: Hùntián] established the Kingdom of Funan around the 1st century CE in the Mekong Delta of southern Vietnam. Archeological evidence shows that extensive human settlement in the region may go back as far as the 4th century BCE. Though treated by Chinese historians as a single unified empire, according to some modern scholars Funan may have been a collection of city-states that sometimes warred with one another and at other times constituted a political unity
It is also possible that Funan was a multicultural society, including various ethnic and linguistic groups. In the late 4th and 5th centuries, Indianization advanced more rapidly, in part through renewed impulses from the south Indian Pallava dynasty and the north Indian Gupta Empire. The only extant local writings from the period of Funan are paleographic Pallava Grantha inscriptions in Sanskrit of thePallava dynasty, a scholarly language used by learned and ruling elites throughout South and Southeast Asia. These inscriptions give no information about the ethnicity or vernacular tongue of the Funanese.
Funan may have been the Suvarnabhumi referred to in ancient Indian texts.
Basically Indians came later ...foreign bodies as usual...So the kingdom cant even be called Indian...and most of the sources telling us this are Chinese...meaning Chinese had been there, explored and all..which in their language the area was called the pacified south...
Thailand
The Thai alphabet is derived from the Old Khmer script (Thai: อักขระเขมร, akkhara khamen), which is a southern Brahmic style of writing derived from Pallava (Thai: ปัลลวะ, pallawa).
According to tradition it was created in 1283 by King Ramkhamhaeng the Great (Thai: พ่อขุนรามคำแหงมหาราช).
Laos,
The Lao script was slowly standardised in the Mekong River valley after the various Tai principalities of the region were merged under the rule of the Kingdom of Lan Xang in the 14th century. This script, sometimes known as Tai Noi, has changed little since its inception and continued in use in the Lao-speaking regions of modern-day Laos and Isan, while the Thai alphabet continued to evolve, but similarity of the scripts can still be seen. This script was ultimately influenced by earlier writing systems in use by the Mon and the Khmer.
Burma (Myanmar),
The Burmese script (Burmese: မြန်မာအက္ခရာ; MLCTS: mranma akkha.ra; pronounced: [mjəmà ʔɛʔkʰəjà]) is an abugida in the Brahmic family.
It is primarily used for writing Burmese, but other languages of Burma such as Mon, Shan, the S'gaw, Eastern and Western Pwo and Geba Karen languages,Rumai Palaung, and Kayah also use alphabets based on the Burmese script, and support for all of them is included in the Unicode standard. The script is also used for the liturgical languages Pali and Sanskrit.
Cambodia
The Khmer script (Khmer: អក្សរខ្មែរ; IPA: [ʔaʔsɑː kʰmaːe]) [2] is an abugida (alphasyllabary) script used to write the Khmer language (the official language ofCambodia). It is also used to write Pali among the Buddhist liturgy of Cambodia and Thailand.
It was adapted from the Pallava script, a variant of Grantha alphabet descended from the Brahmi script of Indiaù
No doubt but the language and script as Sanskrit is an old script...many around the world use it..
Sanskrit is a member of the Indo-Iranian sub-family of the Indo-European family of languages. Its closest ancient relatives are the Iranian languages Old Persian and Avestan.
Standardized Proto-Indo-Iranian and ultimately to Proto-Indo-European so depends how far you want to dig....
In order to explain the common features shared by Sanskrit and other Indo-European languages, many scholars have proposed migration hypotheses asserting that the original speakers of what became Sanskrit arrived in what is now India and Pakistan from the north-west some time during the early second millennium BCE. Evidence for such a theory includes the close relationship of the Indo-Iranian tongues with the Baltic and Slavic languages, vocabulary exchange with the non-Indo-European Uralic languages, and the nature of the attested Indo-European words for flora and fauna...
The term "Sanskrit" was not thought of as a specific language set apart from other languages, but rather as a particularly refined or perfected manner of speaking.
Basically its not even Indian
You do realize S.E.Asia includes 10 countries not just those on S. Asia mainland?
Let me give you a brief history + geography lesson:
Indonesia (Uses Latin now they have had 2 other scripts) :
The Balinese script, natively known as Hanacaraka (ᬳᬦᬘᬭᬓ), or Aksara Bali (ᬅᬓ᭄ᬱᬭᬩᬮᬶ), is a pre-colonial script native to the island of Bali, Indonesia. It is commonly used for writing Sanskrit and Balinese. With some modifications, the script is also used to write the Sasak language, used in the neighboring island ofLombok.[1] It is closely related to the Javanese script.
Nowadays, the use of the Balinese script has mostly been replaced by the Latin script. The script is taught in most schools, however few people can actually use it as usage are still limited to religious writings.
Kawi is first attested in a legal document from 804 CE, and was widely used in religious literature written in palm-leaf manuscripts called lontar. Over the Hindu-Buddhist period of Indonesia the shape transients into Javanese, though much of the orthography stays the same. By the 17th century, the script is identified as Carakan[5] or Hanacaraka based on its first five letters.
However, usage of the Javanese script has declined since the invention of a Latin orthography based on Dutch in 1926, and it is now more common to write Javanese in Latin alphabet. Currently, there are only a few newspapers and magazines being printed in the Javanese script, such as Jaka Lodhang. It is still taught in most elementary school and some junior high school as compulsory subject in Javanese language areas.
Malaysia (Uses both Arabic and Latin) and Brunei (Uses both Arabic and Latin)
Brunei and Malaysia:
Jawi (Jawi: جاوي Jāwī; Pattani: Yawi; Acehnese: Jawoë) is an Arabic alphabet for writing the Malay language, Acehnese, Banjarese, Minangkabau, and several other languages in Southeast Asia.
Jawi is one of the two official scripts in Brunei, and is used as an alternate script in Malaysia. Usage wise, it was the standard script for the Malay language but has since been replaced by a Latin alphabet called Rumi,
The word "Jawi" (جاوي) is an adjective for the Arabic nounJawah (جاوة). Both terms may originated from the term "Javadwipa", the ancient name for Java. "Jawah" and "Jawi" may have been used by the Arabs as the catch-all terms in referring to the entire Maritime Southeast Asia and its peoples,[2] similar to the kind of understanding by the later Europeans when coining the terms Malay Archipelago and Malay race.
the Philippines and Singapore use Latin
Vietnam
The Vietnamese language was first written down, from the 13th century onwards, using variant Chinese characters (chữ nôm 字喃), each of them representing one word. The system was based on the script used for writing classical Chinese (chữ nho),
Thai, Lao, Myanmar and Cambodia had similar empires every now and then...
Funan was 1 of the largest...
Kingdom of Funan (Chinese: 扶南; pinyin: Fúnán) was the name given by the Chinese to an ancient kingdom located in southern Southeast Asian centered around the Mekong Delta. The name is found in Chinese historical texts describing the kingdom, and the most extensive descriptions are largely based on the report of two Chinese diplomats representing the Wu Kingdom of Nanking who sojourned in Funan in the mid-3rd century A.D. Known in the modern languages of the region as វ្នំVnom (Khmer) or នគរភ្នំNokor Phnom (Khmer), ฟูนาน (Thai), and Phù Nam (Vietnamese), the name Funan is not found in any texts of local origin from the period, and it is not known what name the people of Funan gave to their polity.
According to modern scholars drawing primarily on Chinese literary sources, a foreigner named "Huntian" [pinyin: Hùntián] established the Kingdom of Funan around the 1st century CE in the Mekong Delta of southern Vietnam. Archeological evidence shows that extensive human settlement in the region may go back as far as the 4th century BCE. Though treated by Chinese historians as a single unified empire, according to some modern scholars Funan may have been a collection of city-states that sometimes warred with one another and at other times constituted a political unity
It is also possible that Funan was a multicultural society, including various ethnic and linguistic groups. In the late 4th and 5th centuries, Indianization advanced more rapidly, in part through renewed impulses from the south Indian Pallava dynasty and the north Indian Gupta Empire. The only extant local writings from the period of Funan are paleographic Pallava Grantha inscriptions in Sanskrit of thePallava dynasty, a scholarly language used by learned and ruling elites throughout South and Southeast Asia. These inscriptions give no information about the ethnicity or vernacular tongue of the Funanese.
Funan may have been the Suvarnabhumi referred to in ancient Indian texts.
Basically Indians came later ...foreign bodies as usual...So the kingdom cant even be called Indian...and most of the sources telling us this are Chinese...meaning Chinese had been there, explored and all..which in their language the area was called the pacified south...
Thailand
The Thai alphabet is derived from the Old Khmer script (Thai: อักขระเขมร, akkhara khamen), which is a southern Brahmic style of writing derived from Pallava (Thai: ปัลลวะ, pallawa).
According to tradition it was created in 1283 by King Ramkhamhaeng the Great (Thai: พ่อขุนรามคำแหงมหาราช).
Laos,
The Lao script was slowly standardised in the Mekong River valley after the various Tai principalities of the region were merged under the rule of the Kingdom of Lan Xang in the 14th century. This script, sometimes known as Tai Noi, has changed little since its inception and continued in use in the Lao-speaking regions of modern-day Laos and Isan, while the Thai alphabet continued to evolve, but similarity of the scripts can still be seen. This script was ultimately influenced by earlier writing systems in use by the Mon and the Khmer.
Burma (Myanmar),
The Burmese script (Burmese: မြန်မာအက္ခရာ; MLCTS: mranma akkha.ra; pronounced: [mjəmà ʔɛʔkʰəjà]) is an abugida in the Brahmic family.
It is primarily used for writing Burmese, but other languages of Burma such as Mon, Shan, the S'gaw, Eastern and Western Pwo and Geba Karen languages,Rumai Palaung, and Kayah also use alphabets based on the Burmese script, and support for all of them is included in the Unicode standard. The script is also used for the liturgical languages Pali and Sanskrit.
Cambodia
The Khmer script (Khmer: អក្សរខ្មែរ; IPA: [ʔaʔsɑː kʰmaːe]) [2] is an abugida (alphasyllabary) script used to write the Khmer language (the official language ofCambodia). It is also used to write Pali among the Buddhist liturgy of Cambodia and Thailand.
It was adapted from the Pallava script, a variant of Grantha alphabet descended from the Brahmi script of Indiaù
No doubt but the language and script as Sanskrit is an old script...many around the world use it..
Sanskrit is a member of the Indo-Iranian sub-family of the Indo-European family of languages. Its closest ancient relatives are the Iranian languages Old Persian and Avestan.
Standardized Proto-Indo-Iranian and ultimately to Proto-Indo-European so depends how far you want to dig....
In order to explain the common features shared by Sanskrit and other Indo-European languages, many scholars have proposed migration hypotheses asserting that the original speakers of what became Sanskrit arrived in what is now India and Pakistan from the north-west some time during the early second millennium BCE. Evidence for such a theory includes the close relationship of the Indo-Iranian tongues with the Baltic and Slavic languages, vocabulary exchange with the non-Indo-European Uralic languages, and the nature of the attested Indo-European words for flora and fauna...
The term "Sanskrit" was not thought of as a specific language set apart from other languages, but rather as a particularly refined or perfected manner of speaking.
Basically its not even Indian