Greater China (14,351 U.S. patents) beats Germany again in 2011!

[Fantasy]

You have to be careful about what income actually is.

Money can represent an absolute claim on a unit energy. Or it can be a number used for measuring relative claims on energy (which is totally different).

It's perfectly possible for China to be a high income nation in the 2nd case - everyone else gets poorer as China rises, and then both levels will converge. High income will be redefined in that case to be something much different from today. It may consist of owning an electric rickshaw instead of 5 BMWs, but that'd be much better than the "low income" nations who ride donkeys.

which leads to my point wealth is only relative in the eyes of the beholder, though i honestly do not think the scenario you mentioned will ever come into play, In my opinion the absolute measurement of wealth is number one your emotional qualities, 2 how self sustainable you are, 3 that you are able to achieve your everyday basic needs, and how secure you are with your life, anything else is just surplus you can forgo. If you had the savings wouldn't it be better to find all ways to invest in your future generation instead of spending in on redundancies that highlight your status but nothing you can bring to the grave with you? but again to each his own, My idea of a high income nation is very vastly different from what someone else's idea of a high income nation is. It's nothing but **** fighting IMO to compare incomes that leads only to trolling but never a practical purpose. As i said if relative to western standard of what high income is, it is something China and India will never achieve and should never even attempt to emulate, because it will be mission impossible, also basing ones opinion on escaping a high income trap on patent application in the USA alone is completely absurd, as I said before, i rather have India's problem than Japan's problem.

 

[rcrmj]

Where exactly did I say that? And I am in denial about what?

- No Chinese company in the top 100 innovators list despite the huge volume of WIPO patents from China.

- The bureaucrats in Chinese patent offices are paid more if they approve more patents, say local lawyers.

- Patents are easy to file,” says Tony Chen, a patent attorney with Jones Day in Shanghai, “but gems are hard to find in a mountain of junk.

^^^These are not my words. I never said that all the Chinese patents are junk, but by the look of things majority of them are.

now you even more clueless than a robot, without being innovative there will be no Patent, and also no one is quoting patents from Chinese IP offices but PCT the only international patent examination office, that ranks China at 3rd place (btw primitive India is out of top 20)... but when i red Thomson Reuters annal Patent reports it indeed raised the issue of India Ip offices and the seriousness of corruption and granting patents without proper examination..however it does not raise these issues about Chinese IP office..

so again the more you spill nonsenses more stupid and denial you make yourself are....the only explaination for that is your indian inferior complexity

 

[WS-10 Engine]

reading this thread just proves why indians are such primitive and backward people. sums up their culture and society and why things like commonwealth games were such a disaster.

they laugh at others when they are worse than african countries.

its like an african country lauhghing at others for not having enough to eat.
indians have more malnutritioned people than africa, yet these guys think they are some mighty superpower that deserve tp be mentioned with china.
they want to ride the coat tails of china in the global affairs.
indians should feed their children before challenging china.
facts are, india couldnt hold china's jockstrap in anything.

china is rising very very fast, faster than anyone. the rise is in every single area, sports, science and technology, military, economics, finance, consumer markets, political influence, etc.

india will never rival china, they just dont have the unity or intelligence to challenge china. they just have an overpopulated country. india cant even make their own weapons, they just import, like african countries do.
when you really look at it carefully, india has so much in common with africa.

such primitive countries will never become anything in this world, just laugh at others while they fall behind, sums up india and their backward people.

as phillipe rushton said, indian IQ is far too low, its 85, china is at 105. he said indians will never be a great country, he was so correct.
the fact that indians cant even make their own weapons, let alone reverse engineer them and build on top of it, shows why their low of IQ is a bottleneck to indian future.
even in the 1962 war china won because we outsmarted the indians, the IQ difference between chinese and indians really proved the difference.

btw, most patents filed in the US are asian and european firms, they are counted as non-resident firms.

 

[IndoCarib]

reading this thread just proves why indians are such primitive and backward people. sums up their culture and society and why things like commonwealth games were such a disaster.

they laugh at others when they are worse than african countries.

its like an african country lauhghing at others for not having enough to eat.
indians have more malnutritioned people than africa, yet these guys think they are some mighty superpower that deserve tp be mentioned with china.
they want to ride the coat tails of china in the global affairs.
indians should feed their children before challenging china.
facts are, india couldnt hold china's jockstrap in anything.

china is rising very very fast, faster than anyone. the rise is in every single area, sports, science and technology, military, economics, finance, consumer markets, political influence, etc.

india will never rival china, they just dont have the unity or intelligence to challenge china. they just have an overpopulated country. india cant even make their own weapons, they just import, like african countries do.
when you really look at it carefully, india has so much in common with africa.

such primitive countries will never become anything in this world, just laugh at others while they fall behind, sums up india and their backward people.

as phillipe rushton said, indian IQ is far too low, its 85, china is at 105. he said indians will never be a great country, he was so correct.
the fact that indians cant even make their own weapons, let alone reverse engineer them and build on top of it, shows why their low of IQ is a bottleneck to indian future.
even in the 1962 war china won because we outsmarted the indians, the IQ difference between chinese and indians really proved the difference.

btw, most patents filed in the US are asian and european firms, they are counted as non-resident firms.

Not a single line to explain why no chinese company in the top 100 innovators list despite the huge volume of WIPO patents from China. When you know you cant defend china, bash India. Go on ! At least use your high IQ for that

 

[pakje]

Not a single line to explain why no chinese company in the top 100 innovators list despite the huge volume of WIPO patents from China. When you know you cant defend china, bash India. Go on ! At least use your high IQ for that

Chinese companies aren't as well established, besides top 100 is a very small list and you can't base a country's innovation on that. For example there are only 4 German firms, don't tell me the greatest industrial European country is less than half as innovative as France, even more telling 1 UK company and that one is a NL-UK co-operation.

Just don't tell me these are the only innovative countries in the world.

Besides how many ways are there to measure "innovation". These guys think several Chinese companies do deserve a place in the top innovative companies.
The 50 Most Innovative Companies 2010 - Businessweek
The 2011 Most Innovative Companies


Anyway I encourage you to take a look at the thread:

• We went from Taiwan is not china. Then someone posted that China is 3rd in WIPO patents.
• Than the argument was that China "cheats" in its patent filing which was debunked by the fact that the PCT is an international organization.
• And finally caus China is not part of an arbitrary list that it cannot be innovative and that WIPO own stats are false

I think it's just denial, for some reason a number of Indians can't handle the fact that China can produce something else than cheap plastic toys and only reverse engineer stuff.

P.s Hong Kong and Spain are placed 8 & 9 in the WIPO list but have no companies among the top 100, does that mean they're uninnovative? And Liechenstein is not even among the top 20 patents but is still more innovative than Australia, Canada & Finland that are in the list, right? I hope you realize how foolish it is to measure a nation innovativeness by 1 very small list.

 

[IndoCarib]

Chinese companies aren't as well established, besides top 100 is a very small list and you can't base a country's innovation on that. For example there are only 4 German firms, don't tell me the greatest industrial European country is less than half as innovative as France, even more telling 1 UK company and that one is a NL-UK co-operation.

Just don't tell me these are the only innovative countries in the world.

Besides how many ways are there to measure "innovation". These guys think several Chinese companies do deserve a place in the top innovative companies.
The 50 Most Innovative Companies 2010 - Businessweek
The 2011 Most Innovative Companies


Anyway I encourage you to take a look at the thread:

• We went from Taiwan is not china. Then someone posted that China is 3rd in WIPO patents.
• Than the argument was that China "cheats" in its patent filing which was debunked by the fact that the PCT is an international organization.
• And finally caus China is not part of an arbitrary list that it cannot be innovative and that WIPO own stats are false

P.s Hong Kong and Spain are placed 8 & 9 in the WIPO list but have no companies among the top 100, does that mean they're uninnovative? And Liechenstein is not even among the top 20 patents but is still more innovative than Australia, Canada & Finland that are in the list, right? I hope you realize how foolish it is to measure a nation innovativeness by 1 very small list.

I would have loved it if it came from a chinese. You see they only brag about their IQ and not use it here

 

[ironman]

The point is very simple that China is at top of patent and High-tech league, but he has to gone through the long way to make certain delusion people to understand this simple fact

Really .. who questioned that ?

Do you have the same reading problem that martian2 has got ?..

OK.. In simple English and now in upper case "READ THE THREAD TITLE AND EXPLAIN US HOW CHINA BEAT GERMANY IN PATENT TAKING" . Don't you guys have some shame on claiming all these days on Taiwan's achievments ..

 

[Martian2]

BusinessWeek proclaims "Greater China is tied with Asia's postwar powerhouse, Japan" in innovation

The 50 Most Innovative Companies - BusinessWeek

"The 50 Most Innovative Companies
For the first time since Bloomberg BusinessWeek began its annual Most Innovative Companies ranking in 2005, the majority of corporations in the Top 25 are based outside the U.S. The reason: the new global leaders coming out of Asia

By Michael Arndt and Bruce Einhorn
April 15, 2010, 5:00PM EST

In the past decade, as the U.S. was losing an estimated 2.4 million factory jobs to China, the Economic Policy Institute and other research organizations identified an alarming trend—alarming to Westerners, at least. The factories of South Korea, Taiwan, and China were making their way up the global value chain, from the sneakers, toys, and T-shirts they had produced in earlier years to personal computers, consumer electronics gear, household appliances, and even cars. For the West, the silver lining was this: Asia's high-tech products were still generally regarded as inferior knockoffs of items designed in the U.S. and other so-called knowledge economies. China may have been the biggest worry, but as author Ted C. Fishman argued in his 2005 book, China Inc., it possessed a factory culture—it could imitate but not innovate.

If Asia ever did figure out how to design cutting-edge products comparable to those dreamed up in the West, however, the one-two punch of high-value research and development and low-cost manufacturing would make it almost unbeatable in the battle for global economic supremacy.

The battle is on. In the 2010 Bloomberg BusinessWeek annual rankings of Most Innovative Companies, 15 of the Top 50 are Asian—up from just five in 2006. In fact, for the first time since the rankings began in 2005, the majority of corporations in the Top 25 are based outside the U.S. Asia's newfound confidence is turning up everywhere you look, from wind turbines to high-speed bullet trains, just two of the technologies China is trying to export to the U.S. "We are the most advanced in many fields," Zheng Jian, director of high-speed rail at China's railway ministry, told The New York Times in April. "And we are willing to share with the U.S." The U.S., of course, still has its innovators. Apple (AAPL) remains No. 1, followed by perennial first runner-up Google (GOOG). But just ahead of General Electric (GE) in seventh and eighth places are newcomers LG Electronics of South Korea and BYD, with Korea's Hyundai Motor claiming a spot at 22.

The extended Top 50 list is dominated by companies from Europe, Asia, and, in another first, South America (Petrobrás (PBR) of Brazil at No. 41). China's rise is biggest. A year ago its only representative was PC-maker Lenovo Group (LNVGY), at 46. This year Greater China is tied with Asia's postwar powerhouse, Japan, thanks to showings by BYD, Haier Electronics (27), Lenovo (29), China Mobile (CHL) (44), and Taiwan-based HTC (47). The age of Asian innovation has begun.

To make room for these newcomers to the Top 25, which also include Intel (INTC) and Ford Motor (F) from the U.S. and Virgin Group from Britain, past winners Honda Motor (HMC), Reliance Industries, McDonald's (MCD), Walt Disney (DIS), and Vodafone (VOD) all got pushed to lower slots on the Top 50, while AT&T (T) dropped off entirely.

"We're starting to see the beginning of a new world order," says James P. Andrew, a senior partner at Boston Consulting Group and head of its global innovation practice. "The developed world's hammerlock on innovation leadership is starting to break a little bit."

HTC is typical of Asia's ascendancy. Founded in 1997 as a contract manufacturer, the company has long been the world's top maker of mobile handsets using Microsoft's (MSFT) Windows Mobile operating system. It produced unbranded devices that bear the logos of such wireless giants as Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint Nextel (S), and Japan's NTT DoCoMo (DCM).

As it became more sophisticated, HTC built the first phone powered by Google's Android operating system, for T-Mobile, in 2008. It followed up with the Nexus One for Google, which was launched in January. Today, HTC is making and selling its own line of smartphones around the world, and roughly a quarter of the company's 8,000-person workforce hold engineering-related jobs. HTC Chief Executive Peter Chou "looks at what's possible and then puts [in] the resources," says Paul E. Jacobs, CEO of Qualcomm (QCOM), a mobile-phone chipmaker and HTC partner. "He's willing to take the risk." Says Chou: "Innovation is not a one-time job—innovation is a journey."

These new innovators can provide substantial payoffs for investors. In 2008 a subsidiary of Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway (BRK) paid $230 million for a 10% interest in BYD, one of China's biggest producers of batteries for cell phones and a fast-growing maker of green cars and solar panels. BYD's Hong Kong-listed stock more than quintupled in 2009, as its profit tripled to $555.5 million. Buffett's stake was worth $2 billion at the end of last year.

Though BYD makes conventional gas-powered cars, with prices starting at just $8,800, the 15-year-old company is branching out to alternative-powered vehicles. BYD, which stands for Build Your Dreams, began selling a $24,900 hybrid car in China this month—the car can be recharged by plugging it into a standard home outlet. It also teamed up with Germany's Daimler (DAI) in March to build all-electric cars for China. BYD will begin selling electric cars in the U.S. this year and both hybrids and electrics in Europe by 2011.

With millions of Chinese choking on some of the world's most polluted air, the Chinese government is eager to promote more eco-friendly cars, providing an opening for BYD, says Michael Clendenin, managing director of RedTech Advisors, a consulting firm in Shanghai. "If BYD can truly punch something out, they've got a wide-open market in China," Clendenin says. "The Chinese government will come behind them and help them with the charging infrastructure to make electric cars in China viable."

The Chinese government is also trying to encourage more companies to be innovators. Beijing has implemented new procurement policies to promote what it calls "indigenous innovation" by requiring locally made technology in certain government purchases. U.S. and other foreign companies have cried foul, alleging that China's new rules favoring locals amount to trade barriers in sectors from environmental technology to telecom (BW—Apr. 5).

China's indigenous initiative isn't the main driver of innovation there, according to Boston Consulting's annual survey of top executives, which provides the raw data for our list. The survey suggests the crucial factor is a mindset—a belief that innovation matters. In China, 95% of executives said innovation was the key to economic growth, while 90% and 89% of respondents in South America and India, respectively, agreed. In the U.S., only 72% said innovation was important.

Similarly, 88% of executives in China said they were raising their innovation budgets this year, followed by 82% in South America and 73% in India. The rate fell to 48% in the U.S., ahead of only Japan, where just 34% of executives said their companies planned to increase innovation spending. All of which suggests the U.S. may not be dominating the list again soon.

Even in the U.S., barely half of respondents (53%) said they think U.S. companies will be the most innovative over the next five years. "We're moving to a place where innovation leadership is going to be more dispersed than in just the U.S., Western Europe, and Japan," says Boston Consulting's Andrew.

The shift is more apparent when this year's class is compared with the first ranking in 2005. Back then, only six of the Top 20 were headquartered outside the U.S., vs. 13 of 25 this year. In addition a third of 2005's American champs—such names as 3M (MMM), Starbucks (SBUX), and eBay (EBAY)—no longer make the Top 50.

As specific Asian companies charge ahead in the global ranking, many analysts and executives complain that overall, businesses in China, Korea, and India aren't all that innovative. Their domestic economies are growing so quickly—and there are so many opportunities to launch tried-and-true business models—that these companies don't need to come up with the Next Big Thing. Sticking with the Same Old Thing suits many companies and investors just fine.

"You need something revolutionary to come along in the U.S. to really make an outsize return," says William Bao Bean, a Shanghai-based partner with Softbank China & India Holdings, a $105 million venture fund backed by Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Softbank. In Asia's big two countries, "you don't need to make a revolution," he says. "There's low-hanging fruit to be had."

The huge home market is helping China Mobile grow bigger and, the company hopes, more advanced. The world's largest cellular operator agreed last month to buy 20% of Shanghai Pudong Development Bank for $5.8 billion. The investment should help China Mobile provide wireless banking services to its 527 million customers, helping to solve a chronic problem plaguing the e-commerce industry in China, where use of credit cards is not widespread.

For many companies, though, relying on the easy pickings in China and Taiwan is no longer an option. HTC is feeling pressure from Chinese rivals such as ZTE Corp. and Huawei Technologies, which are taking advantage of Google's open-platform Android operating system to get into the smartphone business, too. "Android has become the great equalizer," says Aloysius Choong, an analyst in Singapore with researcher IDC. Because Android takes a lot of the innovation burden off of the hardware companies, it lowers the entry barrier for newcomers. That's one reason analysts think HTC may make an offer for Palm, the U.S.-based smartphone maker that has put itself up for sale, according to people familiar with the situation. The battle is notable, of course, because it is an innovation-driven skirmish between Chinese and Taiwanese players—something that simply didn't happen a decade ago.

Chou, HTC's chief, acknowledges that competition is intensifying. "We never underestimate the potential competition coming from elsewhere, either from top-tier premium brand companies or companies from China or Taiwan. What is important for HTC, we need to continue to provide a unique and differentiated value to our customer."

Apple also wants to take HTC down a peg. In March, the iPhone-maker filed a complaint with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission and a lawsuit in U.S. District Court alleging HTC's smartphones infringed on Apple patents. HTC denies the claims. "HTC has been innovative from the beginning," says Chou. "We were working on this for a long time before the iPhone came out."

Bloomberg BusinessWeek's Most Innovative Companies special report is based on data from longtime partner Boston Consulting Group (BCG). Last December the consultancy e-mailed a 21-question poll to senior executives around the globe. The 1,590 respondents, who answered anonymously, were asked to name the most innovative companies from outside their own industry in 2009. BCG then factored in the financial performance of the top vote-getters. The final list weights the survey results 80%, stock returns 10%, and three-year revenue and margin growth 5% each.

For the 2010 report, BCG changed the survey's distribution so that responses better reflected each country's share in the world economy. That meant fewer questionnaires to India, Italy, Spain, and the U.S. and more to Germany, Japan, and other countries in Asia. To improve the response rate, BCG also translated the poll into Japanese and Chinese. BCG found that the recalibrated sample may have altered the rankings of individual companies by a few places, but it did not account for the tilt away from the U.S. and toward the rest of the world. Performance and reputation did.

With Tim Culpan in Taipei

Return to the Most Innovative Companies Table of Contents

Arndt is editor of BusinessWeek's innovation and design coverage. Einhorn is Asia regional editor in BusinessWeek's Hong Kong bureau."

 

[Aramsogo]

10 Most innovative companies in China.
The World

 

[ashokdeiva]

Congrats to CHINA and its people for performing yet another feet in your quest for excellance. Wishing more such achievements in the future.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Congrats to China, but patent per capita we are still way ahead of China and many others. Also, German and European companies usually don't apply IP in the US. We have our IP administrations.

Please go to my new post in the Sino-German Affair thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/156037-sino-german-affairs-4.html#post2771716

 

[The SC]

Did anyone notice the astronomical discrepancies in numbers between the US and the rest...
And what is the main reason.

 

[Martian2]

Did anyone notice the astronomical discrepancies in numbers between the US and the rest...
And what is the main reason.

Lots of silly software patents. For example, Amazon's one-click "shopping cart" icon was granted a patent. I suspect India's inflated 1,259 patents have a lot of these silly software patents too.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ial-amazon-1-click-patent-survives-review.ars

"Controversial Amazon 1-Click patent survives review
By Ryan Paul | Published 2 years ago

Amazon's patent on one-click shopping has survived the scrutiny of the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). In an official notice published this month, the USPTO declared its intent to issue a reexamination certificate affirming the validity of Amazon's amended version of the patent.

The patent, which was filed in 1997, describes a method of enabling consumers to purchase goods without having to provide credit card and shipping information during every shopping session. Amazon enforced the patent against competitor Barnes and Noble almost immediately after it was granted in 1999. The patentability of one-click Internet shopping is broadly disputed. It has become the textbook example of how a broad patent on a trivially obvious software concept can have a profoundly anti-competitive impact on a wide segment of the industry.

Peter Calveley, an actor and patent law enthusiast from New Zealand, launched a campaign against the one-click patent in 2006 and filed for a reexamination with funding that he collected from his supporters. A year later, the USPTO issued a decision rejecting 21 of the patent's 26 claims, largely due to the broad availability of well-documented prior art. Amazon decided to amend the patent in order to address some of the specific issues raised by the reexamination.

The amended version has a slightly smaller scope, limiting the patent's coverage to online shopping cart systems rather than all one-click e-commerce. In its statement today, the USPTO declared that the new version of the patent is valid, despite the fact that it has no functional difference from the original version. This outcome, which took four years to reach, reflects the deficiencies of the reexamination process."

 

[rcrmj]

Really .. who questioned that ?

Do you have the same reading problem that martian2 has got ?..

OK.. In simple English and now in upper case "READ THE THREAD TITLE AND EXPLAIN US HOW CHINA BEAT GERMANY IN PATENT TAKING" . Don't you guys have some shame on claiming all these days on Taiwan's achievments ..

kid read post 110 before showing more of your Indian argument (which is load of shyte just like all your cities I have been to)

 

[WS-10 Engine]

Congrats to CHINA and its people for performing yet another feet in your quest for excellance. Wishing more such achievements in the future.

You are the only Indian I have respect for in this forum. You're are too nice and humble to be Indian.