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Great Old Photographs Of The British Indian Army In Pakistan and India!

Wow! I didn't know that. These guys look like Sikhs!

Sikh soldiers of the British Indian Army were total British chamche only Hindus and Muslim soldiers rebelled in the mutiny.

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I am sorry I have not posted a photograph but a very famous painting by Elizabeth Butler. It portrays Dr.William Brydon, one of the lucky handful of the Elphinstone's retreating army from Kabul in 1842. The exhausted,badly wounded poor pony died right after it reached the stable of Jalalabad fort. The pony's poor fate brought tears to my eyes after reading the full account of it's journey.

He was the only survivor lol not one of the lucky handful. :P
 
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He was the only survivor lol not one of the lucky handful. :P

That's what the wiki says. But he was followed by a few Gurkhas few days later who lost their way some how. William Darlymple had quite explicitly described this journey. Excellent read.
 
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That's what the wiki says. But he was followed by a few Gurkhas few days later who lost their way some how. William Darlymple had quite explicitly described this journey. Excellent read.

Oh I did not know of this, so how many survivors were they in total?
 
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Sikhs were total British chamche only Hindus and Muslims rebelled in the mutiny.
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Sikhs were not even recruited in the army till the mutiny took place in 1847 so their was no question of Sikhs getting involved in a mutiny. When the mutiny took place all the soldiers were from UP/Bihar. The British in their part recruited people from Punjab i.e. Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus in large numbers. From then on the British Indian army began to be dominated by Punjabis and Gurkhas.

And your "total Chamcha" remark is historically inaccurate. The only people in Punjab to have participated in the freedom movement were the Sikhs whether it was Baba Maharaj Singh, the Kuka movement of Baba Ram Singh, the Gadhar movement, the Akali movement, the Babbar Akali movement, Most of the dead in Jillianwala Bagh massacre were Sikhs, even Kala Pani jail was full of Sikhs and Bengali revolutionaries. INA(of Subhash Chandar Boss) was dominated by Sikh soldiers. And this coming from minority which was 1.5% of India's total population and only made up 14% of Punjab's total population.
 
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Sikhs were not even recruited in the army till the mutiny took place in 1847 so their was no question of Sikhs getting involved in a mutiny. When the mutiny took place all the soldiers were from UP/Bihar. The British in their part recruited people from Punjab i.e. Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus in large numbers. From then on the British Indian army began to be dominated by Punjabis and Gurkhas.

And your "total Chamcha" remark is historically inaccurate. The only people in Punjab to have participated in the freedom movement were the Sikhs whether it was Baba Maharaj Singh, the Kuka movement of Baba Ram Singh, the Gadhar movement, the Akali movement, the Babbar Akali movement, Most of the dead in Jillianwala Bagh massacre were Sikhs, even Kala Pani jail was full of Sikhs and Bengali revolutionaries. INA(of Subhash Chandar Boss) was dominated by Sikh soldiers. And this coming from minority which was 1.5% of India's total population and only made up 14% of Punjab's total population.

Sorry I did not mean all Sikh people rather the Sikh soldiers in the British Indian Army, no doubt many Sikhs laid down everything they had for azaadi. It is common knowledge though that only Hindu and Muslim soldiers mutinied and Sikhs did not. The mutiny also happened in 1857 and so by your own estimation Sikhs were already in the ranks for ten years.

I will edit my comment.
 
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Sikhs were not even recruited in the army till the mutiny took place in 1847 so their was no question of Sikhs getting involved in a mutiny. When the mutiny took place all the soldiers were from UP/Bihar. The British in their part recruited people from Punjab i.e. Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus in large numbers. From then on the British Indian army began to be dominated by Punjabis and Gurkhas.

Brother, no offence. But there is a historical reason why the Sikhs sided with the British. It has nothing to do with patriotism rather the hatred for the Purbias (who were killing and raping indiscriminately in Delhi in 1857)since the last battles they fought with each other.
 
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Brother, no offence. But there is a historical reason why the Sikhs sided with the British. It has nothing to do with patriotism rather the hatred for the Purbias (who were killing and raping indiscriminately in Delhi in 1857)since the last battles they fought with each other.

True most people say it is because they did not want to side with the Mughal king but the Maratha Peshwas were also involved in the revolt yet they did not support them either. It is quite unfortunate that age old hatreds were put ahead of throwing the gore out imagine how history would be different if otherwise. There were however also Muslim and Hindu traitors who killed their own countrymen at the behest of the English so it is not all on the Sikhs.
 
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Brother, no offence. But there is a historical reason why the Sikhs sided with the British. It has nothing to do with patriotism rather the hatred for the Purbias (who were killing and raping indiscriminately in Delhi in 1857)since the last battles they fought with each other.

I think the bigger reason was Sikhs werent too thrilled about being ruled by another Mughal, given the history that Aurangzeb created.

Can't really fault the Sikhs for siding with the Brits, Mughals did far worse to them. End of the day it was karma for the mughals, shouldnt have pissed of the warrior sikhs.
 
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Sikhs were not even recruited in the army till the mutiny took place in 1847 so their was no question of Sikhs getting involved in a mutiny. When the mutiny took place all the soldiers were from UP/Bihar. The British in their part recruited people from Punjab i.e. Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus in large numbers. From then on the British Indian army began to be dominated by Punjabis and Gurkhas.

And your "total Chamcha" remark is historically inaccurate. The only people in Punjab to have participated in the freedom movement were the Sikhs whether it was Baba Maharaj Singh, the Kuka movement of Baba Ram Singh, the Gadhar movement, the Akali movement, the Babbar Akali movement, Most of the dead in Jillianwala Bagh massacre were Sikhs, even Kala Pani jail was full of Sikhs and Bengali revolutionaries. INA(of Subhash Chandar Boss) was dominated by Sikh soldiers. And this coming from minority which was 1.5% of India's total population and only made up 14% of Punjab's total population.

Sikhs were not even recruited in the army till the mutiny took place in 1847 so their was no question of Sikhs getting involved in a mutiny. When the mutiny took place all the soldiers were from UP/Bihar. The British in their part recruited people from Punjab i.e. Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus in large numbers. From then on the British Indian army began to be dominated by Punjabis and Gurkhas.

And your "total Chamcha" remark is historically inaccurate. The only people in Punjab to have participated in the freedom movement were the Sikhs whether it was Baba Maharaj Singh, the Kuka movement of Baba Ram Singh, the Gadhar movement, the Akali movement, the Babbar Akali movement, Most of the dead in Jillianwala Bagh massacre were Sikhs, even Kala Pani jail was full of Sikhs and Bengali revolutionaries. INA(of Subhash Chandar Boss) was dominated by Sikh soldiers. And this coming from minority which was 1.5% of India's total population and only made up 14% of Punjab's total population.

Punjabis,Pashtuns,Baluch(small numbers) (joined much later) .. But hondsons,4th Punjab etc were formed after the Punjab etc fell.. And after that they dominated the brtish indian army..
 
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Hodson's horse. One of the most brutal forces on the British side during 1857 mutiny. Almost hanged everybody on their road to Delhi. Even dogs were not spared.
It was to this group , particularly to william hudson that the last mogul emperor surrendered in 1857 near humayum tomb .
today they are called the 4 Horse regiment in the IA
 
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Brother, no offence. But there is a historical reason why the Sikhs sided with the British. It has nothing to do with patriotism rather the hatred for the Purbias (who were killing and raping indiscriminately in Delhi in 1857)since the last battles they fought with each other.

The thing is 1857 is not as black and white as we make it out to be today. It had a lot of grey shades one needs to consider. Everyone had their own reasons for supporting the British and not the rebels. As you pointed out the Poorbia soldiers were part of the reason because just a few years earlier they had fought against the Sikhs. Second reason was that the rebels had installed the Mughal emperor. The British had exploited these reasons in rallying the Sikhs against the rebel cause. There were some instances of Sikhs and other Punjabis trying to rally people of Punjab against the British but the British had managed to manipulate and convinced the aristocracy of Punjab to support their cause.

The rebels on their part made some mistakes. Massacring British women and children had disgusted even many Indians who otherwise would have been sympathetic to the cause. Installing the Mughal emperor as their leader alienated the Sikhs. The rebels should have extended a hand of friendship to towards the Gurkhas and people of Punjab as they had done towards the Rohillas who supported the rebels.

Personally I feel it would have been good had the British been kicked out, unfortunately history took the wrong turn. The British were very good in dividing their enemies.
 
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I think the bigger reason was Sikhs werent too thrilled about being ruled by another Mughal, given the history that Aurangzeb created.

Can't really fault the Sikhs for siding with the Brits, Mughals did far worse to them. End of the day it was karma for the mughals, shouldnt have pissed of the warrior sikhs.

Absolutely not. Any society with self respect and dignity would have done the same.

The thing is 1857 is not as black and white as we make it out to be today. It had a lot of grey shades one needs to consider.

Completely agree. It was a Sipoy mutiny and "Nationalism" was just a part of it.
 
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An account from the February 15, 1862 Harper’s Weekly of a very messy spectacle orchestrated to maintain British control of Punjab.

Another execution of a similar nature took place on the 13th of June, at Ferozepore. All the available troops and public establishments were convened to witness the scene. Some of the mutineers were to be hung, and around the gallows, erected during the night previous, the soldiers were drawn up. The mutineers were then brought into the centre, and the proceedings of the general Court-Martial was read. Upon being informed that if they would become Queen’s evidence they would be reprieved, twelve of the criminals accepted the offer and were marched to the rear. Two were taken to the gallows. They ascended the ladder with firm steps, and to the last moment betrayed no emotion of fear.

The remaining ten were now led away to the artillery guns, and while their irons were being struck off some cried, “Do not sacrifice the innocent for the guilty!” Two others rejoined, “Hold your sniveling: die men and not cowards — you defended your religion, why then do you crave your lives? Sahibs! they are not Sahibs, they are dogs!” Others then began to upbraid their commanding officer. The wretched beings were quickly fastened to the muzzles of ten guns, charged with blank cartridge.


The commanding officer directed port-fires to be lit. “Ready!” “Fire!” and the drama was played out. An eye-witness says: “The scene and stench were overpowering. I felt myself terribly convulsed, and could observe that the numerous native spectators were awe-stricken — that they not only trembled like aspen-leaves, but also changed into unnatural hues. Precaution was not taken to remove the sponge-and-load men from the muzzles of the guns; the consequence was that they were greatly bespattered with blood, and one man in particular received a stunning blow from a shivered arm!

A lengthier account, no less riveting and we suppose more accurate on account of its primary sourcing, is to be found inthis memoir or the British campaign against the Sepoy rebellion.

June 13 The morning of June 13 was fixed upon for the execution. A gallows was erected on the plain to the north side of the fort, facing the native bazaars, and at a distance of some 300 yards. On this two sepoys were to be hanged, and at the same time their comrades in mutiny were to be blown away from guns.

We paraded at daylight every man off duty, and, with the band playing, marched to the place of execution, and drew up in line near the gallows and opposite the native quarter.

Shortly after our arrival the European Light Field Battery, of six guns, appeared on the scene, forming up on our left flank, and about twenty yards in front of the Light Company.

The morning was close and sultry, not a cloud in the sky, and not a breath of wind stirring; and I confess I felt sick with a suffocating sense of horror when I reflected on the terrible sight I was about to witness.

Soon the fourteen mutineers, under a strong escort of our men with fixed bayonets, were seen moving from the fort. They advanced over the plain at our rear, and drew up to the left front of, and at right angles to, the battery of artillery.

I was standing at the extreme right of the line with the Grenadier Company, and some distance from the guns; but I had provided myself with a pair of strong glasses, and therefore saw all that followed clearly and distinctly.

There was no unnecessary delay in the accomplishment of the tragedy. Two of the wretched creatures were marched off to the gallows, and placed with ropes round their necks on a raised platform under the beam.

The order was given for the guns to be loaded, and quick as thought the European artillerymen placed a quarter charge of powder in each piece. The guns were 9-pounders, the muzzles standing about 3 feet from the ground.

During these awful preparations, I watched at intervals the faces of the condemned men, but could detect no traces of fear or agitation in their demeanour. The twelve stood two deep, six in front and six in the rear, calm and undismayed, without uttering a word.

An officer came forward, and, by the Brigadier’s order, read the sentence of the court-martial, and at its conclusion the six men in front, under escort, walked towards the battery.

There was a death-like silence over the scene at this time, and, overcome with horror, my heart seemed almost to cease beating.

Arrived at the guns, the culprits were handed over to the artillerymen, who, ready prepared with strong ropes in their hands, seized their victims. Each of these, standing erect, was bound to a cannon and tightly secured, with the small of the back covering the muzzle. And then all at once the silence which reigned around was broken by the oaths and yells of those about to die. These sounds were not uttered by men afraid of death, for they showed the most stoical indifference, but were the long-suppressed utterances of dying souls, who, in the bitterness of their hearts, cursed those who had been instrumental in condemning them to this shameful end. They one and all poured out maledictions on our heads; and in their language, one most rich in expletives, they exhausted the whole vocabulary.

Meanwhile the gunners stood with lighted port-fires, waiting for the
word of command to fire the guns and launch the sepoys into eternity.

These were still yelling and raining abuse, some even looking over their shoulders and watching without emotion the port-fires, about to be applied to the touch-holes, when the word “Fire!” sounded from the officer in command, and part of the tragedy was at an end.

A thick cloud of smoke issued from the muzzles of the cannons, through which were distinctly seen by several of us the black heads of the victims, thrown many feet into the air.

While this tragic drama was enacting, the two sepoys to be hanged were turned off the platform.

The artillerymen again loaded the guns, the six remaining prisoners, cursing like their comrades, were bound to them, another discharge, and then an execution, the like of which I hope never to see again, was completed.

All this time a sickening, offensive smell pervaded the air, a stench which only those who have been present at scenes such as these can realize — the pungent odour of burnt human flesh.

The artillerymen had neglected putting up back-boards to their guns, so that, horrible to relate, at each discharge the recoil threw back pieces of burning flesh, bespattering the men and covering them with blood and calcined remains.

A large concourse of natives from the bazaars and city had assembled in front of the houses, facing the guns at a distance, as I said before, of some 300 yards, to watch the execution. At the second discharge of the cannon, and on looking before me, I noticed the ground torn up and earth thrown a slight distance into the air more than 200 paces away. Almost at the same time there was a commotion among the throng in front, some running to and fro, while others ran off in the direction of the houses. I called the attention of an officer who was standing by my side to this strange and unaccountable phenomenon, and said, half joking: “Surely the scattered limbs of the sepoys have not been carried so far?”

He agreed with me that such was impossible; but how to account for the sight we had seen was quite beyond our comprehension.

The drama came to an end about six o’clock, and as is usual, even after a funeral or a military execution, the band struck up an air, and we marched back to barracks, hoping soon to drive from our minds the recollection of the awful scenes we had witnessed.

Two or three hours after our return news arrived that one native had been killed and two wounded among the crowd which had stood in our front, spectators of the recent execution. How this happened has never been explained. At this time a “cantonment guard” was mounted, consisting of a company of European infantry, half a troop of the 10th Light Cavalry, and four guns, and two of these guns loaded with grape were kept ready during the night, the horses being harnessed, etc. Half the cavalry also was held in readiness, saddled; in fact, every precaution was taken to meet an attack.

As far as I can recollect, there were but two executions by blowing away from guns on any large scale by us during the Mutiny; one of them that at Ferozepore.


India and Pakistan should make movies and documentarys about this together !
 
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