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Great Article on RSS and Gandhi Dynasty: Busting misconceptions

Not really. You can't call someone a murderer because he praised the murderer.

Their can only be decision based on circumstantial evidence now as no hard proof exists anymore. As much i have read that man clearly had links to RSS even though they denied that fact. Like i said how can you expect to admit after they killed father of a nation. Many blamed ghandi for partition when ghandi actually had no power to speak of in my opinion. Nehru and patel were running the show behind the scenes.
 
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Fiscally conservative capitalists can be socially liberal, a concept alien to you.

Oh you mean all the "intellectuals" you were mentioning all the Fiscally Conservative Capitalist Liberals, right?

If that is the case then RSS is a Socially liberal(at least when it comes to India) RW. Even we can make tags, a concept which is not alien to you.

Either you talk about philosophy or actions. If it is actions, RSS and BJP are no where near RW. So, pick which you want to debate on. Don't keep changing the goal post because you don't like the posts.

To add to the confusion, ponder this. BJP is for UCC, which gives woman of India of certain sections the greatest of opportunities, yet BJP is not liberal. Cong, AAP, SP, Commies, TMC etc who oppose this are supposed to be liberal and filled with liberal intellectuals..
Go and figure the logic now.
 
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RSS wasn't directly involved in the murder as far as I am aware but they sure do worship the terrorist who killed him.

To be fair, that was post-facto admiration and worship, nauseating though that is.
 
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Oh you mean all the "intellectuals" you were mentioning all the Fiscally Conservative Capitalist Liberals, right?

If that is the case then RSS is a Socially liberal(at least when it comes to India) RW. Even we can make tags, a concept which is not alien to you.

Either you talk about philosophy or actions. If it is actions, RSS and BJP are no where near RW. So, pick which you want to debate on. Don't keep changing the goal post because you don't like the posts.

I did not change any goal post. You were too binary in your vision to understand my post. I merely said "intellectual" and you are stupid enough to term all intellectuals as communists. Go and do a poll among the university professors in India. There would be hardly any communists among them (a few JNU jholadharis aside), at the same time there would be very few who would subscribe to your majoritarian Hindutva agenda and that is where your hatred for intellectuals come from. "Yakub supporters" as you call it is just a red herring on your part.
 
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http://www.deccanherald.com/content/512125/godse-murderer-doesnt-deserve-respect.html

There you go people. RSS officially denounced Godse.
It is Hindu Mahasabha which admires Godse.

It's nauseating to read lies peddled day after day.

I did not change any goal post. You were too binary in your vision to understand my post. I merely said "intellectual" and you are stupid enough to term all intellectual as communists. Go and do a poll among the university professors in India. There would be hardly any communists among them (a few JNU jholadharis aside), at the same time there would be very few who would subscribe to your majoritarian Hindutva agenda and that is where your hatred for intellectuals come from. "Yakub supporters" as you call it is just a red herring on your part.

Oh boy, I was wondering why you have not pulled the Hindu card yet and you didn't disappoint me.

Perhaps you didn't see the quotation marks when I typed "intellectuals".
Not your fault. You "intellectuals" are easily excited and tend to go stupid when exposed.

The red herring you mentioned is the fact and the real red herring is the "Hindutva agenda", which is used by your kind to beat down anyone who does not confirm to your ideas.
 
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Oh boy, I was wondering why you have not pulled the Hindu card yet and you didn't disappoint me.

Perhaps you didn't see the quotation marks when I typed "intellectuals".
Not your fault. You "intellectuals" are easily excited and tend to go stupid when exposed.

The red herring you mentioned is the fact and the real red herring is the "Hindutva agenda", which is used by your kind to beat down anyone who does not confirm to your ideas.

Unlike you I am not a hypocrite. I am against any religious extremism and I have been calling out Islamist extremism for years now, perhaps the scores of negative ratings I have received from Pakistanis are a testament of that. However, I would not keep quiet when Hindu right wingers like you try to implement similar ideologies in India. It is my duty as an Indian and also as a Hindu. I have never claimed myself to be an intellectual and I am not one. People in their 20s hardly justify the term anyway. Your frustrations and hatred of intellectuals are quite visible and anyone can see it. Here is a news flash for you. Unless you do a Erdogan like purge, you would never have control over academia, try as hard as you can. Now go ahead and have the last words. This is my last post to you.
 
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Rahul Gandhi's only desire is that people should TAKE him SERIOUSLY

But that is not happening

If RSS can be blamed for Gandhi's murder then

can you blame All Muslims for terrorism

can you blame the entire Congress party for 1984 riots ( The Sikh community would do so )
 
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Unlike you I am not a hypocrite.

your hypocrisy is in assuming I support the violence done Hindus.
You assumed, instead of asking me or checking my posts.

Why is that?

What do you call a person who assumes things about others which are inaccurate?
 
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If Rahul Gandhi cant provide any evidence to what he said in 2013 he will have to face conviction. Its about time our political leaders take responsibility for what they speak among the general mass.
But that includes PM Modi too.
 
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@Joe Shearer @SarthakGanguly @nair @scorpionx kindly give it a read
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The innumerable parodies, spoofs, stand-up comedy spots etc over the last five years stand as testimony to the fact thatRahul Gandhi's way of thinking has become a national joke.

An eminent barometer of this fact comes straight from the horse's mouth, so to say. One of the biggest beneficiaries of Dynasty largesse — and therefore its die hard votary — William Dalrymple, who Hartosh Singh Bal once characterisedas the "pompous arbiter of literary merit in India” describes how Rahul Gandhi razed the Congress party to the ground in 2014:

Rahul came across as conceited and dim, if not borderline messianic-delusional, as he talked about himself in the third person…When not praising his own profundity, he parroted the same pre-prepared answers, irrespective of the question he was asked.

What did he think about the Gujarat riots? "The real issue at hand here is empowering the women of this country."

Why did his party protect corrupt MPs? "The issue at hand is bringing youngsters into the political system."
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In all, he mentioned empowerment 22 times and finding a way to mend the broken political system no fewer than 70 times in 45 minutes.
[…]


Rahul would appear to be the very bottom of the Nehru-Gandhi barrel, tongue-tied and uncharismatic on campaign, conceited and slow-witted in private: in short, the complete electoral prophylactic, as Congress must sadly now realise to its despair.

Aldous Huxley's note that "a bad book is as much of a labor to write as a good one; it comes as sincerely from the author's soul" is completely applicable to Rahul Gandhi's "escape velocity of Jupiter" politics: it can't be learned. One has to be a natural. And it’s also eminent fodder for much mirth. Indeed, most of his speeches on almost every campaign he’s led so far have satiated our appetite for fun, and so, instead of condemning his political and leadership abilities, we must be grateful to him.

But then there's that Dynastic trait of entitlement that he’s inherited that licenses him to talk down to a galaxy of the best minds of Indian business as his 2013 speech at the CII shows. This sense of entitlement in Sonia Gandhi’s hands had manifested colourfully as "maut ka saudagar" and "zeher ki kheti."

Of course, nobody raises an eyebrow — forget being outraged — at such crass campaign language because even worse has now become mainstream in our electoral grammar.

And so it was that on the 2014 Lok Sabha campaign trail, when Rahul Gandhi thundered that "RSS people killed Gandhiji and today their people (BJP) talk of him...They opposed Sardar Patel and Gandhiji," little did he anticipate that this had the makings of a mini-bomb that would explode two years later in the form of this Supreme Courtreprimand: “You can't make wholesale denunciation of an organisation…If you won't apologise, you will have to face trial.”

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File image of Rahul Gandhi. PTI

The Pavlovian, secular-liberal response to this rebuke is to brand the SC bench as communal and fascist and anti-poor but we’ll let that pass and focus on the content of Rahul Gandhi’s casual slur against the RSS.

False History as Electoral Weapons

First, the wording of the Supreme Court’s admonition needs to be examined briefly: "You can't make wholesale denunciation of an organisation." In other words, a responsible political party doesn't casually label an entire organisation as murderers: it must establish proof that will stand up in court.

It’s well-known that the false charge that the "RSS people killed Gandhiji" is as old as 1948-49. Equally well-known is the fact this canard has handsomely benefitted the Congress-Communist combine. Here’s how the Belgian scholar, Dr. Koenraad Elst puts it in his meticulously researched Mahatma Gandhi and his Assassin:

Invariably, the so-called secularists call the RSS…the “murderers of the Mahatma.” As a Western researcher has remarked, this allegation is in defiance of the judicial verdict in the Mahatma murder trial…These [allegations] … come from the Congress…or the Communists, are used as political slogans and…show a disregard for the legal decision of the case. (Page 17-18).

This observation is in keeping with the Congress tradition of disrespecting and overturning court verdicts.

Equally, the Kapur Commission formed on 21 November 1966 to “conduct an inquiry into the conspiracy to murder Mahatma Gandhi” noted thus (full report available here) after completing its work on 30 September 1969:

"RSS as such were not responsible for the murder of Mahatma Gandhi, meaning thereby that one could not name the organisation as such as being responsible for that most diabolical crime, the murder of the apostle of peace. It has not been proved that they (the accused) were members of the RSS."

But then the mainstream Leftist discourse has ensured that the canard of blaming the murder of Gandhi continues to haunt the RSS. On its part, the RSS has continued to be defensive, issuing an unending stream of rebuttals and refutations.

To put things in perspective, by the mid-1940s, Gandhi had all but become inconsequential within the core Congress leadership who correctly sensed the winds of change and the chance to grab political power. Even earlier, Gandhi’s fitful policies were stridently criticised by his own contemporaries like Sri Aurbindo, Ambedkar, Annie Besant, Subhas Bose and others.

Had Godse not murdered Gandhi, the Congress would’ve perhaps rendered him irrelevant in his own lifetime. But his assassination gave birth to the myth that it was him and him alone that brought India independence with the accompanying taboo on critically scrutinising his legacy.

Gandhi’s mixed legacy was now in the complete thrall of a post-Patel-Congress dominated era by Nehru. Eventually, this legacy ever-so-slowly morphed thus: the Congress party alone got India her independence and became the Dynasty’s staple formula for winning polls.

Equally, our toxic education system ensured that few non-Congress freedom fighters found any place in our textbooks. Some textbooks even endorsed the British slur that Bhagat Singh was a terrorist. The consequence is that the current crop of intellectuals, mediapersons, etc simply lack any sense of history, and what they’ve read is a jumbled and incoherent mass of opinion and Left ideology.

Persecuting the RSS

This sense of history tells us that the government used Gandhi’s assassination as a convenient ruse to ban the RSS on 4 February 1948 and arrested its chief, M S Golwalkar.

In September 1948, after countrywide investigations yielded nothing to implicate the RSS, Golwalkar demanded that Nehru and Patel lift the ban. This back-and-forth between Golwalkar, Nehru and Patel went on till 9 July 1949. S Gurumurthy bestnarrates what happened next:

On July 9, 1949 the government refused to lift the ban citing “fundamental differences.”… It was then that T.R. Venkatrama Shastri, former Advocate General of Madras and head of the Servants of India Society, intervened. He wrote an anguished letter in The Hindu, met Sardar Patel and urged him to lift the ban… Shastri added that with the suspicion of the RSS’ complicity in Gandhiji’s assassination “recognised to be without any real foundation” and the charges against the RSS in some cases having been found unsustainable, continuing the ban was untenable. Surprisingly the very day Shastri’s statement was sent to The Hindu… namely on July 11 itself, the government lifted the ban. It must have been advised that the ban without evidence would be unconstitutional under the Constitution of India.

The ban was lifted unconditionally. Here is the proof. In a written statement to the Bombay Legislative Assembly on September 14, 1949 (Proceedings p2126) the Home Minister Morarji Desai admitted that the ban on RSS was no longer considered necessary; it was lifted unconditionally; and the RSS gave no undertaking. If no undertaking was indeed given in 1949, where is the question of reneging on it in 2013?

This was the first of the three instances the RSS was banned in an Independent India.

It was also the beginning of the protracted record of unprovoked persecution it faced at the hands of the Dynasty. This persecution reached truly Stalinist levels as we observe in the case of the municipal school teacher, Ramashankar Raghuvanshi who was dismissed by the Madhya Pradesh government in 1974 for having “taken part in the RSS activities.” The teacher appealed to the SC, whose judgment is revealing:

"India is not a police state…the promise of fundamental rights enshrined in the Indian Constitution not become a forgotten chapter of history…seeking a police report on person's political faith amounted to the violation of fundamental rights.” (State of Madhya Pradesh vs Ramashankar Raghuvanshi, 21 February 1983)

Equally, the Mysore Court (now Karnataka High Court)’s judgment in the State of Karnataka versus Ranganathacharya Agnihotri is also worth quoting at length:

The RSS is a non-political cultural organisation without any hatred or ill will towards non-Hindus and that many eminent and respected persons in the country have not hesitated to preside over the functions or appreciate the work of its volunteers. In a country like ours which has accepted the democratic way of life (as ensured by the Constitution), it would not be within reason to accept the proposition that mere membership of such peaceful or non-violent association and participation in activities thereof, will render a person (in whose character and antecedents there are no other defects) unsuitable to be appointed to the post of a Munsiff".

The person in question was again a victim of the Congress government’s unstated policy of hounding the RSS. And then, we of course there’s the small matter of the horrors inflicted upon tens of thousands of Swayamsevaks during the Emergency—which is too painful to recount and only too well-known.

Civilisational and Political Goals

And yet, to its credit, the RSS has never wreaked vengeance—violent or otherwise—against this unprovoked and repeated assaults. This quiet confidence and fortitude stems from its underlying philosophy which is cultural and civilisational rather than political in the sense of election cycles. For the Congress and Congress-inspired parties, political power is an end in itself which is why the Congress today is thoroughly bereft of ideology, a core, guiding philosophy or even a roadmap for the foreseeable future.

At the end of a near-hegemonic rule of about 65 years, the Congress is today in a state of near extinction while the RSS has emerged far stronger despite said persecution. As Advaita Kala in one of the best pieces on the RSS observes, the consistently negative mainstream narratives on the Sangh has actually helped strengthen it. That this negative narrative is based almost wholly on falsehood and has persisted for over six decades should count as one of the greatest intellectual hoaxes of the previous century.

That said, there’s also a small lesson for the RSS in this: it needs to be smarter, develop more intellectual sophistication at various levels and most importantly, improve perception in a generation that now forms its opinions based on nightly TV talk shows, two-minute sound bytes, tweets etc.

Tailpiece

Rajesh Kunte must be appreciated for his efforts. By filing the lawsuit, he has demanded that Rahul Gandhi be accountable to his words. And not just one, but two courts have dismissed his plea for quashing the defamation case that Kunte has filed against him.

And following the Supreme Court’s stricture on Tuesday, Rahul Gandhi is trapped in a Catch-22 situation of epic proportions, which is of his own making. If he apologises, it makes him look weak and he surely does not look willing to face a trial. There is also precedent to such behaviour in the Congress. Rajiv Gandhi’s notorious "when a big tree falls, earth shakes" comment, where the former PM had justified the 1984 genocide of Sikhs by his own partymen.

In any case Rahul Gandhi can’t shake off the past. We can only wait and watch how the defamation case will unfold. But in the future, perhaps Rahul Gandhi would do well to heed Iago’s immortal words in advance:

Demand me nothing: what you know, you know:
From this time forth I never will speak a word
Except the fact that the Savarakarites were the among the most fanatic obscurantists who saw no scruples from murdering and raping Muslims as a tit for tat policy, the three prime accused organizations, RSS, Hindu Mahasabha and the Hindu Rashtra (which consisted mostly the Savarkarites) were doctrinally closely knitted groups whose ideological foundation had scant regard for an all inclusive liberal socio-political philosophy (which was fostered mostly after Gandhi's arrival in 1915) and nurtured almost for decades before Gandhi's assassination a ridiculous principle of hatred against non-muslims because their country had no geographical affinity with their faith's host country.

Members of these groups were not alien to each other. Among members and leaders of RSS there were many who patronized with Hindu Mahasabhaites and Savarkarites, just as many of them were closely associated with Congress also. So, the author in my opinion suffers from a foolish and pre-convinced notion that the six among eight prime accused being Savarkarites automatically dissolves the allegation that the RSS had no connection with or intimation of Mahatma Gandhi's assassination at all. His ludicrous attempt to acquit RSS from this most abhorrent event in post Independence India is contradicted by Nathuram Godse's own brother Gopal Godse only. Criticizing Advani's comment that NVG had severed link with RSS in 1933 only, this is what Gopal Godse had to say,

“All the brothers were in the RSS. Nathuram, Dattatreya, myself and Govind. You can say we grew up in the RSS rather than in our home. It was like a family to us. Nathuram had become a baudhik karyavah [intellectual worker] in the RSS. He has said in his statement that he left the RSS. He said it because Golwalkar and the RSS were in a lot of trouble after the murder of Gandhi. But he did not leave the RSS.”

“I have countered him (LK Advani), saying it is cowardice to say that. You can say that RSS did not pass a resolution, saying, ‘go and assassinate Gandhi’. But you do not disown him [Nathuram]. The Hindu Mahasabha did not disown him. In 1944, Nathuram started doing Hindu Mahasabha work when he had been a baudhik karyavah in the RSS.”

Off course NVG did not operated from the RSS structure within, but after the assassination of Gandhi the spirit within RSS surely did not match with that with rest of the world. As Pyarelal notes in Mahatma Gandhi in his last phase,

“members of the RSS at some places had been instructedbeforehand to tune in their radio sets on the fateful Friday for the ‘good news’, and sweets were distributed by the members at many places”

RSS may try their best to wash NVG from their history, but after a careful look into the past, history is always going to hunt them down
 
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Except the fact that the Savarakarites were the among the most fanatic obscurantists who saw no scruples from murdering and raping Muslims as a tit for tat policy, the three prime accused organizations, RSS, Hindu Mahasabha and the Hindu Rashtra (which consisted mostly the Savarkarites) were doctrinally closely knitted groups whose ideological foundation had scant regard for an all inclusive liberal socio-political philosophy (which was fostered mostly after Gandhi's arrival in 1915) and nurtured almost for decades before Gandhi's assassination a ridiculous principle of hatred against non-muslims because their country had no geographical affinity with their faith's host country.

Members of these groups were not alien to each other. Among members and leaders of RSS there were many who patronized with Hindu Mahasabhaites and Savarkarites, just as many of them were closely associated with Congress also. So, the author in my opinion suffers from a foolish and pre-convinced notion that the six among eight prime accused being Savarkarites automatically dissolves the allegation that the RSS had no connection with or intimation of Mahatma Gandhi's assassination at all. His ludicrous attempt to acquit RSS from this most abhorrent event in post Independence India is contradicted by Nathuram Godse's own brother Gopal Godse only. Criticizing Advani's comment that NVG had severed link with RSS in 1933 only, this is what Gopal Godse had to say,

“All the brothers were in the RSS. Nathuram, Dattatreya, myself and Govind. You can say we grew up in the RSS rather than in our home. It was like a family to us. Nathuram had become a baudhik karyavah [intellectual worker] in the RSS. He has said in his statement that he left the RSS. He said it because Golwalkar and the RSS were in a lot of trouble after the murder of Gandhi. But he did not leave the RSS.”

“I have countered him (LK Advani), saying it is cowardice to say that. You can say that RSS did not pass a resolution, saying, ‘go and assassinate Gandhi’. But you do not disown him [Nathuram]. The Hindu Mahasabha did not disown him. In 1944, Nathuram started doing Hindu Mahasabha work when he had been a baudhik karyavah in the RSS.”

Off course NVG did not operated from the RSS structure within, but after the assassination of Gandhi the spirit within RSS surely did not match with that with rest of the world. As Pyarelal notes in Mahatma Gandhi in his last phase,

“members of the RSS at some places had been instructedbeforehand to tune in their radio sets on the fateful Friday for the ‘good news’, and sweets were distributed by the members at many places”

RSS may try their best to wash NVG from their history, but after a careful look into the past, history is always going to hunt them down

There are lot person in opinionated
In other pretext

By that looks a logic

One of Gandhi most near aide
Madan mohan malviya was father of Hindu's maha sabha

He has his issues with Gandhi but he

Don't want kill him but admire him

You say there same section of RSS people's who distributed sweets
Its up there intellectual capicity


That's thinking still persist even in leftist see their speeches for Subhash Chandra Bose calling him Tojo's Dog

Large section of population take
Gandhi as reason of Partition and his relationship with bhagat Singh
Hanging

Dalit community mostly despised Gandhi due his differences with there icon B.R Abedkar


Just like you cannot paint whole religion in deeds of few

Same goes with RSS its a ocean of ideology's of Rightwing concept

Some are Moderate Right wing
Some are liberal but still favour rightwing in some way

Some are extreme right wingers and Far right
You have to understand RSS from inside not from Nehruvian or Leftist concept

But RSS is moderating its ideas as the societies changed from far right views RSS now tilting to Moderate Right rightwing view of Lincoln


As our democracy will progress they will be some what look like GOP in US
Conservatism with progressive idea of politics
 
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