Gratuitous vilification of Muslims in the media

[LaBong]

For average joe in west, is there no reason to be afraid?

 

[Spitfighter]

@AstanoshKhan

I'm not sure if you've read the articles you posted but religion does seem to be a motivating factor (and is thus relevant) in most, if not all, of the stories.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Actually Sino-Pakistani to be more precise. The main Islamic countries are all pro-West and don't care about this.

Yes, I was being sarcastic.

Huntington proposed the idea of a "Sino-Islamic connection" in his famous Clash of civilizations theory. The idea being that Islam and China are the two biggest threats to Western civilization, so they would form an alliance against the West.

It's complete neocon BS of course. While China does get along well with most Islamic nations... major ones like Saudi/Egypt are in the US camp. Not to mention the fact that we have arguments with Turkey, and problems with our own restive Uyghur population.

So, as I said... I was being sarcastic. Might as well talk about the "Yellow peril" again.

 

[temujin]

Agree but why do people assume we don't do that already. Can you seriously go back to 1990's UK and ask every black guy... Hey did you so some soul searching because most crimes committed in the UK were by black people?

Or do people still go and ask Germans, do you do soul searching because your military wiped off close to 10 million jews during the Holocaust.?

The rest of your post is very sound and it's not as if Muslims are not trying:

homepage

MCB

Both plan regular events to broaden interfaith harmony, here in the UK. But like sex sells, so does the image of a Turbinator bent on seeking Holy Vengeance.

1) Most crimes in the UK are not committed by black people. This is a popular misconception.

2) Quilliam is a reformist movement whilst MCB is full of closet fundamentalists.

YouTube - MCB; Inayat Bunglawala

Government shuns Muslim Council over link with Hamas - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

 

[AstanoshKhan]

@AstanoshKhan

I'm not sure if you've read the articles you posted but religion does seem to be a motivating factor (and is thus relevant) in most, if not all, of the stories.

Then why don't they mention religion for other people's crimes too, why is it so for Islam only? Whenever there's a person with Muslim name found in an incident, the article heads with the name Muslim instead of that person's name or ethnicity. Just to show/tell the world that Muslims are bad people and Islam is a bad religion. Isn't it so?

And how on earth you got to the conclusion from those articles that religion is the motivating factor for committing crimes?

 

[Spitfighter]

Then why don't they mention religion for other people's crimes too, why is it so for Islam only? Whenever there's a person with Muslim name found in an incident, the article heads with the name Muslim instead of that person's name or ethnicity. Just to show/tell the world that Muslims are bad people and Islam is a bad religion. Isn't it so?

And how on earth you got to the conclusion from those articles that religion is the motivating factor for committing crimes?

Read the articles, if religion isn't a motivating factor in honor killings I don't know what it.

 

[Developereo]

Reject the Victim Mentality.

Right on cue, the Indians jump in to defend the Islamophobe bigots.

Not once have I heard of a march by Muslims against extremism.

Then you need to give the keyboard a rest and get out more often.

What I am actually suggesting is that the Islamic community does not help itself. Non-action is seen as condoning instances of terrorism and the like, and only encourages Islamophobia.

What you are missing is the point of this thread. The article I quoted is not about terrorism; it is about abuse of subordinates. As if such abuse only happens in Muslim countries, and as if Islam had anything to do with the crime.

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The majority of Islamic countries are pro-West.

But the West is not pro-Islam.

Read the articles, if religion isn't a motivating factor in honor killings I don't know what it.

Culture.

India's Nirupama Pathak Case Raises Honor-Killing Debate - TIME

 

[JonAsad]

Read the articles, if religion isn't a motivating factor in honor killings I don't know what it.

Thats the same islamophobia we are discussing in the thread, you are a victim yourself, if a muslim father kills his daughter than its honour killing or religious factor is involved, and then when a non-muslim father kills his daughter or the whole freakin family, its just domestic violence, maybe the father was drunk, broke or mentally insane, no religion involved? They have invented medical terms just to show as an excuse for the crimes, and for us the excuse is religion, do you understand what i am talking about?

 

[gambit]

Thats the same islamophobia we are discussing in the thread, you are a victim yourself, if a muslim father kills his daughter than its honour killing or religious factor is involved, and then when a non-muslim father kills his daughter or the whole freakin family, its just domestic violence, maybe the father was drunk, broke or mentally insane, no religion involved? They have invented medical terms just to show as an excuse for the crimes, and for us the excuse is religion, do you understand what i am talking about?

Why else would a muslim father kill his daughter? Alcohol? Drugs? Mental instability? Absent a religious motivation, then other factors can be considered and reported. But if there is a religious component to it, like David Koresh or Jim Jones or Randy Weaver, the media did report the Christianity religious component.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

1) Most crimes in the UK are not committed by black people. This is a popular misconception.

2) Quilliam is a reformist movement whilst MCB is full of closet fundamentalists.

YouTube - MCB; Inayat Bunglawala

Government shuns Muslim Council over link with Hamas - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

My dear friend did you bother to read my post in detail? As part of my course I spent a 6 month attachment with Metropolitan Police Authority and i can in great depth about black crime in the UK so don't get started... Read my post again, it was an example of "stereotyping" or perhaps you failed to connect the two?

 

[Developereo]

I will repeat my original post.

Please post crimes/headlines which are clearly not related to the criminal's ethnicity or religion, and where Islam is mentioned gratuitously.

Every borderline case, or a case where religion can reasonably be blamed, will only serve to derail the thread.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

I will repeat my original post.

Please post crimes/headlines which are clearly not related to the criminal's ethnicity or religion, and where Islam is mentioned gratuitously.

Every borderline case, or a case where religion can reasonably be blamed, will only serve to derail the thread.

THIS!

Please stick on topic!

 

[AstanoshKhan]

A Muslim man has been arrested for killing his teenaged daughter who was in love with a Hindu youth from the same village, police said on Thursday.

Mushtakeem, a resident of Mawaithakuran village, strangled his 18-year-old daughter Rehana Parveen after she insisted on marrying her lover Bhoora Prajapati, 21, police said.

Mushtakeem was arrested late Wednesday after Parveen's body was recovered from their home. The village is in Moradabad district, some 300 km from Lucknow.

According to police, Prajapati and Parveen used to meet regularly in the fields on the outskirts of the village. But as Parveen had not been coming for the last few days, Prajapati approached police suspecting the girl could be in trouble.

Police raided Mushtakeem's house and recovered his daughter's body from a locked room.

'Preliminary investigations indicate it's a case of honour killing. The father has confessed to the crime,' police inspector Ravi Kumar told reporters on Thursday.

'The father told us he committed the crime as he thought his daughter's marriage with the youth of a different community would bring a bad name to the family,' he added.

According to police, besides the father, the girl's family members could also be involved in the crime.

'Investigations are on in this regard,' said Kumar.

 

[Developereo]

A Muslim man has been arrested for killing his teenaged daughter who was in love with a Hindu youth from the same village, police said on Thursday.

That's not gratuitous. The motive for the crime is clearly religion so the criminal being Muslim is central to the story.