Govt weighs options on troop deployment in KSA

[kaku1]

Why you indians are being so funny cant you just shut the **** up.

I find this disease here in many members, even in some Indians. When you have no argument, just patronize the other.

 

[Devil Soul]

Don't bring the Saudi imperialist war to my home
SULEMAN AKHTAR — UPDATED about an hour ago

It is probably the time to ponder why all the Muslim cities that have diverse populations are burning.—Photo by Online
Last time it happened, the Saudis sided with Zaidi Imam Muhammad al-Badr.

It was the year 1962, when revolutionaries inspired by ideas of Arab nationalism deposed the last king of Mutawakilite Kingdom of Yemen, Muhammad al-Badr, and put an end to the rule of Zaidi Imams who had been kings of Yemen for the most part of past one thousand years.

Inspired by socialist ideals, Arab nationalism had emerged as a potent ideology around the Arab world and Yemen was no exception. Jamal Abdel Nasser, the then socialist Egyptian president, backed the republicans in Yemen through military support while Saudis, along with Britain, supported the deposed Zaidi king who spearheaded insurgency against the new government.

Not many people outside Yemen know about the Zaidi sect of Islam that exists in the southern part of Arabian Peninsula.

The Zaidiyyah, who are also known as 'Fivers', are named after Zaid ibn Ali, the grandson of Hussain ibn Ali. Zaidis follow the jurisprudence that is more similar to Hanafi school as compared to the 'Twelver' Shia school of jurisprudence.

Houthis, mostly Zaidis, started as a theological movement in 1992 and spearheaded insurgency in 2004 against the then president Ali Abdullah Saleh, who himself belongs to the Zaidi sect. The Houthis, along with students and Joint Meeting Parties, participated in 2011 Yemeni revolution that followed the Tunisian revolution.

In 1962, Zaidi Shias were friends while nationalists, socialists, and communists were pronounced as foes by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. In 2015, they have been declared as foes and an imminent danger to Saudi sovereignty and territorial integrity.

It is most convenient to paint the whole conflict with broad brushstrokes of Shia/Sunni and Arab/Ajam binaries while ignoring the role of imperial baggage, complex socio-political realities, and all-powerful ruling Arab dynasties.

Also see: Bad Saudi vibes

These simplistic binaries serve as a smokescreen to conceal the ulterior motives of ruling dynasties and autocratic regimes that have come down hard on voices of dissent in the wake of Arab Spring.

This is not a war waged by Sunnis against Shias nor is it the battle between Ajam and Arab – it is simply an act of dynastic self-preservation.


Not unlike the rest of the world, the Muslim world is not a monolith. Muslim societies are diverse on many different levels, with myriad divisions on national, ethnic, linguistic and sectarian lines. The majority of Muslims living in this world are neither Arab nor Persian. And if history has taught us anything, it is that identities cannot be stripped forcefully. It’s a bloody path to tread.

Pakistan is a country with a diverse population. People speak so many different languages, adhere to many different religious schools of thought, and come from different ethnic backgrounds. The state’s miscalculated adventures inside and outside the country have only exacerbated the sense of alienation in many of the communities here.

The state’s obsession with colouring the populace with the same ideological colour has gone terribly wrong.

Read: Foreign funding of militancy

Saudi Arabia and Iran are the only two Muslim majority states whose raison d'être is interlinked with particular Muslim sects. Former adheres to Wahabism, while latter adheres to Twelver Shi’ism.

Owing to the Pakistani state’s obsession with doing away with Indian identity and ideological tilting towards Arabs, Saudi Arabia wields a way more consequential influence over Pakistan.

According to one WikiLeaks cable, Saudi ambassador to the US once proudly asserted that, “we in Saudi Arabia are not observers in Pakistan, we are participants”.

After getting rid of British imperialism, there is a new kind of socio-cultural imperialism that has made inroads into Pakistani society: Arab imperialism


From the illegal funding of madrassahs and the TV evangelists to pop stars, to cricketers, to politicians, to language; the imprints are unmistakable. With each shrine blown up, and every imambargah torched; there’s a bit of indigenous Pakistan that dies silently.

Also read: My name is Pakistan and I’m not an Arab

Instead of becoming a part of another Saudi-led war, it is probably the time to ask all the right questions.

It is probably the time to ponder why all the Muslim cities that have diverse populations are burning.

It is probably time to reflect on why Beirut is in flames, and Cairo is bleeding, and Kabul is ravaged, and Aleppo is sacked, and Peshawar is crying, and Baghdad is bruised, and Sana’a is trembling. Why not Tehran, Riyadh, and Doha?

Instead of bringing another war home for the sake of a ruling dynasty, it is probably time to clean the blood and tears brought about by 'strategic depth'.


The writer is an Engineering student in Sweden, interested in society, politics and culture.

The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Bro, have you ever heard of threat assessment, threat neutralization.

If Pak go in, you can post every type of pic, smileys, but some facts always remain true.

Even we do we send troops to KSA (which we already have --- mostly experts,instructors etc-- and some which were sent for joint ex recently) than what?

Do you think we Pakistanis would go ape shit ?

Nope .. Some anti govt protests and nobody gives a shit... Not even shias (half my family is shia).

Many among the soldiers that we (might) send many would be shias aswell ..


Also hy would PA "massacre" shias? Considering the fact that it's not a "sect" thumping institution ?

 

[aqdus]

Angry? Why? I just want India to take care of threats.


Great, good luck in handling it. We will also try to do what we can.

YUP and dont worry we will make sure that in the end all you will get is ASHES of your own.

 

[kaku1]

Even we do we send troops to KSA (which we already have --- mostly experts,instructors etc-- and some which were sent for joint ex recently) than what?

Do you think we Pakistanis would go ape shit ?

Nope .. Some anti govt protests and nobody gives a shit... Not even shias (half my family is shia).

Many among the soldiers that we (might) send many would be shias aswell ..


Also hy would PA "massacre" shias? Considering the fact that it's not a "sect" thumping institution ?

Then bro, you are already inside a sectarian war.

And soon, you going to receive spillover of this chronology of events.

 

[mauka]

YUP and dont worry we will make sure that in the end all you will get is ASHES of your own.

OK we will see. We have return Pakistani terrorism in India sooner than later.

 

[asad71]

1. Is it so easy to cause fratricide among Muslims. Yemen and Saudis have no issues except that historically they have disliked each other. Only the WCC (Western Christian Civilization) media has discovered IS and AQ there. On ground none has been reported by reliable sources. The arms manufactures/suppliers here as well as in Iraq-Syria conflict are the same. WCC is prompting the Saudis here, but prompts the Iranians in Iraq-Syria conflict.
2. Pakistan has obligations to S Arabia. Personally NS is highly obligated to the Saudi Royals. A lot of money will fly about here. Pakistan cricketers may have been slow in taking catches in ICC, but the politicians may not be that slow. What about immediate neighbor Iran and Pakistani Shia population? This is indeed a test for Pakistan. Local TTP issue may disappear if WCC calls of its dogs of war from Pakistan.
3. Some media already proclaims SSG, PAF and PN are already in the fight. Who knows the truth?
4. Not much is talked about the nation of Yemen. A tribal land where everyone is armed legally. Tribal loyalty is unshakable. Saudis on their own may not be able to make much headway in this inhospitable terrain with inhospitable population. Nasser's Egypt had lost about 26,000 soldiers last time. Should Pakistan commit ground troops the result may not be a happy one.

 

[Psychic]

Shia vs Sunnis ... Aah the ancient hated.. Go get tiger.

This is not a sunni shia war. This is a tribal or u can say an ethnic war. Zaidis are closer to sunnis than to twelver shia sect.

 

[mauka]

This is not a sunni shia war. This is a tribal or u can say an ethnic war. Zaidis are closer to sunnis than to twelver shia sect.

So why is Pakistani army thinking of entering.

 

[Faisal N Malik]

yeah... This is what you did before and this not Shia Sunni war.

 

[Psychic]

1. Is it so easy to cause fratricide among Muslims. Yemen and Saudis have no issues except that historically they have disliked each other. Only the WCC (Western Christian Civilization) media has discovered IS and AQ there. On ground none has been reported by reliable sources. The arms manufactures/suppliers here as well as in Iraq-Syria conflict are the same. WCC is prompting the Saudis here, but prompts the Iranians in Iraq-Syria conflict.
2. Pakistan has obligations to S Arabia. Personally NS is highly obligated to the Saudi Royals. A lot of money will fly about here. Pakistan cricketers may have been slow in taking catches in ICC, but the politicians may not be that slow. What about immediate neighbor Iran and Pakistani Shia population? This is indeed a test for Pakistan. Local TTP issue may disappear if WCC calls of its dogs of war from Pakistan.
3. Some media already proclaims SSG, PAF and PN are already in the fight. Who knows the truth?
4. Not much is talked about the nation of Yemen. A tribal land where everyone is armed legally. Tribal loyalty is unshakable. Saudis on their own may not be able to make much headway in this inhospitable terrain with inhospitable population. Nasser's Egypt had lost about 26,000 soldiers last time. Should Pakistan commit ground troops the result may not be a happy one.

Replying ur AQ part.
AQ in yemen is a reality. Infact AQ operatives fled to Yemen after 9/11 after being chases by Saudis. CIA drone program was to target AQ in Yemen.
KSA will be fighting both AQ and Houthis as both of them are a threat to KSA.
People are too quick to call it a Shia sunni conflict while forgetting that sunni AQ has also been bombed by KSA in Yemen in the past as well as now.

 

[Devil Soul]

Pakistan defence team heads for Saudi to discuss support
Last Updated On 30 March,2015 About 13 minutes ago
The delegation was due to leave either on Monday or in the next few days.
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A high-level Pakistani defence delegation was about to leave for Saudi Arabia on Monday as the government in Islamabad considers whether to join a Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.

Pakistan evacuated about 500 of its nationals by plane from Yemen on Sunday during a brief pause in air strikes by the Saudi-led military coalition against Houthi forces, a Saudi military spokesman said.

The Pakistani team, to be led by Defence Minister Khawaja Asif and foreign policy chief Sartaj Aziz, was due to leave either on Monday or in the next few days, security officials told Reuters.

"There can be no decision (on joining the military campaign) before the delegation s visit," one official said.

He said there were already around 750-800 Pakistani servicemen in Saudi Arabia but none were combat troops. He declined to comment about their duties and it was not immediately clear what kind of military support Saudi Arabia was seeking.

Pakistan is a regional ally of Saudi Arabia but has yet to commit itself publicly to military support to Riyadh s campaign in Yemen.

"Saudi Arabia had always helped Pakistan like an elder brother," Asif told a seminar in Lahore shown on television channels. "Pakistan will extend all support to Saudi Arabia if the country s security is threatened."

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, in a telephone call with Saudi King Salman on Saturday, offered "all potentials of the Pakistan army", media quoted the Saudi Press Agency as saying.

 

[East or West India Best]

Good idea . since iran is an ally of india . we should side with KSA .

Since Indians breathe oxygen, pakistanis should breathe nitrogen.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Then bro, you are already inside a sectarian war.

And soon, you going to receive spillover of this chronology of events.

Ok thank's for informing me... I having both Sunni and Shia family.. can't decide whom to kill this afternoon first.. Maybe il kill a shia first ? Nah .. Maybe sunni? Fk I'm confused.. Help me out here kakay!

 

[Paksanity]

Ok thank's for informing me... I having both Sunni and Shia family.. can't decide whom to kill this afternoon first.. Maybe il kill a shia first ? Nah .. Maybe sunni? Fk I'm confused.. Help me out here kakay!

Lol...
That was good.