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LAHORE: The NWFP government has rejected an offer of peace talks to end fighting in the Swat valley. Senior Minister Afrasiab Khattak told Bloomberg on Friday the Taliban have repeatedly reneged on earlier peace accords. “They never had the intention of laying down arms,” he said. The Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi, which negotiated the February accord, said on Friday it was ready for talks to end the fighting. Khattak, however, dismissed the offer, saying the TNSM had “no authority” over Fazlullah, who commands the Taliban forces in Swat. daily times monitor
 
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+1 to PA for this. The operation should go on though I think the Talks will come sometme in future but not so soon not so fast. Although, GoP has admitted that this offensive is a short term solution (Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan) but getting to table at this stage would be downright stupid.

Political option can only be explored once PA has a very clear upper hand on the scenario and all the areas are under Pakistani control. Then a possibility of Political solution for sustaining should be explored.
 
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Talking from a position of weakness, only to renege later, is classic Taliban tactics and strategy. They've done it when assaulting a single outpost, and they've done it against a nation.
 
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It will be absolutely non sense to talk to Taliban and TNSM now at this time. They are the traitors playing in the hands of Bait ullah Mehsood and our neighbors. The peace accord with Taliban can never be materialized and if i quote a person of Swat as saying that even(its a big IF) if the peace accord is implemented, who would dare to bring the Taliban in courts to face charges for some wrong doings.
Now when their tail is being crushed, these barbarians and traitors are looking for ways to get time again. This time Pak Army has to throw them in hell for whatever it takes so that the matter can be resolved once for all eternity. :pakistan:
 
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LAHORE: The NWFP government has rejected an offer of peace talks to end fighting in the Swat valley. Senior Minister Afrasiab Khattak told Bloomberg on Friday the Taliban have repeatedly reneged on earlier peace accords. “They never had the intention of laying down arms,” he said. The Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi, which negotiated the February accord, said on Friday it was ready for talks to end the fighting. Khattak, however, dismissed the offer, saying the TNSM had “no authority” over Fazlullah, who commands the Taliban forces in Swat. daily times monitor

Not too long ago, the TNSM was threatening to break-off peace-talks if the Army operation was stepped up, and now they want to talk? Seriously, by extending this offer, they will only hurt their reputation as a "peaceful Islamic Sharia movement". I'm starting to think that TNSM is just the PR branch of the Taleban franchise.
 
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Not too long ago, the TNSM was threatening to break-off peace-talks if the Army operation was stepped up, and now they want to talk? Seriously, by extending this offer, they will only hurt their reputation as a "peaceful Islamic Sharia movement". I'm starting to think that TNSM is just the PR branch of the Taleban franchise.

i used to have different views about TNSM but now i guess they are also a bunch of crooks.
how funny that he wants to talk now but was threatnin us earlier.
 
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what bl**** negotiation
time has passed
now negotiation can only start when head of fazlullah, sufi Muhammad and Muslim Khan are presented to Govt as a taken of sincerity by TNSM Thugs
 
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PA should call them to a place in the name of peace talks then bomb the living hell outta them...
 
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This should not happen again. The taliban's should be eliminated . After all that collateral damage not a single one of them should be left alive.

I say catch one of the prisoners alive and drop one them at a place crowded by talibs from a chopper just to give them a hint that how easy it is to die.
 
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I have had this view since long time ago that Sufi Muhammad and Fazlullah who are both father and son in law are actually using the old good guy bad guy approach into bullying the people of Pakistan.

Both are scum who are rotten to the core, one is a bloodthirsty murdering monster trying to pass as a Mujahid and the other is the narrow minded hypocrite who is trying to pass as a Muslim leader from the days of old...

They are playing a drama but it is all obvious when Sufi Muhammad speaks about the TTP hooligans and defends their actions.

He is shameless, he was released to broker peace and instead worked for the war mongering wolves to further their cause.
 
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One of the outcomes of the poor manner in which the present government handled the TNSM was that Pakistanis were forced toconfront where they really stood, the Anti this and that and clinched fist BS aside, Pakistanis had to confront what it was that they really cared for what they were about - readers willl come across a cliche "most Pakistanis are moderate" - but this should be considered carefully - you will note that the civil opposition to the Talib is urban and among it's leaders are clerics or scholars or whatever -- Perhaps if the rural population also felt safe, the Talib would be unable to recruit in rural areas:

Moderate clerics speak out against Taliban


Wednesday, 13 May, 2009 | 05:24 PM PST |







ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's moderate clerics, for years mute in the face of growing Islamist influence, are mobilising support for the government as it battles the Taliban, warning that militants could take over the country.

Most of Pakistan's 160 million people are moderate Muslims, but for years they have been reluctant to speak out against the spread of the hardline Taliban. Not any more.

'The military must eliminate the Taliban once and for all,' Mufti Sarfraz Naeemi, a senior cleric of the moderate Barelvi branch of Sunni Muslims, told Reuters.

'Otherwise they will capture the entire country which would be a big catastrophe.'

The military launched a major offensive against Taliban militants in the Swat valley, northwest of Islamabad, last week after the Taliban tried to capitalise on a February peace pact by pushing out of the valley to conquer new districts.

Pakistanis overwhelmingly supported the pact aimed at ending violence in Swat but were shocked to see the Taliban, emboldened by the deal, vowing to impose their rule across the country.

That raised alarm, not only in the United States which needs Pakistan to tackle the militants for success in Afghanistan, but also among ordinary Pakistanis, for the first time confronting the possibility the Taliban might appear in their towns.

Naeemi said the Barelvis had wanted to avoid confrontation with the Taliban so had not spoken out against aggression. But they could not stand by and let the Taliban impose their rule.

'They want people to fight one another, that's why we have kept silent and endured their oppression,' Naeemi said.

'We don't want civil war ... But God forbid, if the government fails to stop them, then we will confront them ourselves.'

BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL

Most Pakistanis are Barelvis, adherents of Islamic Sufi mysticism, who venerate saints and their shrines dotted across the country.

The austere Taliban, adherents of the Deobandi school of Islam, reject mystical Islam and recently blew up a famous shrine in the northwest, to many Pakistanis' shock.

For the first time in Pakistan, protesters have been taking to the streets to denounce the Taliban.
Barelvis have been holding anti-Taliban rallies across the country and are organising a gathering of 5,000 clerics in Islamabad on Sunday to drum up support for the military in Swat.

'We support the army operation in Swat because it is a battle for the survival and defence of Pakistan,' Sahibzada Fazal Karim, leader of Jamiat-e-ulema-e-Pakistan, a moderate Islamic party, and an organiser of the weekend conference, told Reuters.

'What these militants were doing was un-Islamic. Beheading innocent people and kidnapping are in no way condoned in Islam.'

A political analyst said there was a degree of self-interest in the newfound outspokenness.

'Politicians are realising there is no future for the country if the militants continue to expand their influence,' said retired general and analyst Talat Masood.

'The moderate clergy is also feeling threatened because their role will be over. So everyone is trying to look at his own turf ... It's in their self-interest as well as the national interest.'

Most Pakistanis, including political parties and the media, have backed the offensive in Swat, 130 km northwest of Islamabad, which comes after the United States accused the government of “abdicating” to the militants.
 
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LAHORE: The NWFP government has rejected an offer of peace talks to end fighting in the Swat valley. Senior Minister Afrasiab Khattak told Bloomberg on Friday the Taliban have repeatedly reneged on earlier peace accords. “They never had the intention of laying down arms,” he said. The Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi, which negotiated the February accord, said on Friday it was ready for talks to end the fighting. Khattak, however, dismissed the offer, saying the TNSM had “no authority” over Fazlullah, who commands the Taliban forces in Swat. daily times monitor

ANP has had enough of these lies. On another thread there was the story of the jirga between elders and the taliban and then the alqeada commander walked in and shot them all, he then pulled out a sword and hacked the elders to bits.
 
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I just want to remind you guys The Grand Mosque Seizure on November 20, 1979, was an armed attack and takeover by armed Islamic fundamentalist dissidents of the Al-Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, the holiest place in Islam. The insurgents declared that the Mahdi, or redeemer of Islam, had arrived in the form of one of the insurgents' leaders, Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani and called on Muslims to obey him.

The seizure shook the Islamic world as hundreds of pilgrims present for the annual hajj were taken hostage, and hundreds of militants, security forces and hostages caught in crossfire were killed in the ensuing battles for control of the site. The siege ended two weeks after the takeover began with militants cleared from the mosque.

This counter action performed by pakistan army along with the french & saudians.we did it in the past & Inshallah now again.
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Do the so called "peaceful and democratic" Islamists imagine that they there will be any more for their kind of politics in a Pakistan controlled by the likes of the Talib? Why then do they seem unable to unite for the sake of Pakistan? Is it that they are aware what they Talib will do to them, and what of the Nawaz and Imran show, what planet do they imagine they live on, or is it that they think or in Pakistani parlance "feel" they can reason with the Talib?


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The on-going Swat operation is the most difficult internal security assignment for Pakistan’s security forces in a long time. The army is leading the operation with determination to re-establish the authority of state in the areas controlled by the Taliban. This will demonstrate if the Army has upgraded its counter-insurgency capacity. The outcome of this operation will also have implications for the future direction of Pakistani state and society. If this operation fails, it will weaken Pakistan’s resolve and capacity to engage in counter-insurgency in the tribal areas.

Withdrawal of the army and paramilitary forces without restoring the authority of the state is not an option; that would amount to surrendering Swat to the Taliban, and would encourage such elements elsewhere to pursue similar action against the state. This will also give impetus to various Islamist hard-liners in mainland Pakistan to impose their religious and cultural preferences on others.

Pakistan is engaged in an intense struggle to restore its soul, and faces the danger of being overwhelmed by religious and cultural extremism backed by violence. Given Pakistan’s regional, ethnic and cultural diversity, individuals and groups cannot be allowed to operate as self-styled vigilantes to enforce their socio-cultural and political preferences. That would not only destroy the fabric of Pakistani state and society but also invite external intervention by those who would like to contain the fallout from the ascendancy of extremists
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What triggered the current military action was the Swat Taliban’s misreading of the agreement between the NWFP government and Sufi Muhammad’s TNSM. They viewed this as a sign of diminishing governmental authority and moved out into Buner, Dir and Shangla.

On April 23, Taliban fighters ambushed an FC convoy in Buner. On April 25, they stopped a group of security forces from entering the area. As the Taliban appeared determined to march onwards and Sufi Muhammad was unable or unwilling to convince them to respect the Swat agreement, security forces launched an operation in Lower Dir, which gained momentum in a couple of days as they also moved into Buner.

It was on May 7 that Prime Minister Gilani formally asked the Army to launch a full-scale operation to “wipe out the Taliban” from these areas; the army then took control of all military activity. This was a shared decision by civilian-military authorities, including the NWFP government.

The stepped up Taliban activity in and around Swat in the wake of the agreement caused much concern in Pakistan’s official and societal circles. The fear often expressed was that this would not only encourage the Taliban to expand their domain in the NWFP and Punjab in the direction of Islamabad, but also that if the government caved-in, the Taliban’s allies in Punjab, especially those who share their worldview, would be emboldened.

The initiation of military operationswas generally welcomed. With the exception of Islamist parties, which often function as the political front of militants, the major political parties and societal groups supported the action. Even Nawaz Sharif extended guarded support to the government with reference to the Taliban threat.

The media is generally supportive of military operations and the same can be said about a large number of societal groups that are not directly affiliated with political parties. However, the political elite could not sustain the initial consensus and began to look at the military operation from their partisan perspectives.

Among the Islamist parties, the Jama’at-e Islami took the lead in opposing military action in Swat and demanded the withdrawal of troops. Its leadership thought that the country should unite to oppose the US instead of supporting military action. The JUIF chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, a partner in the PPP-led federal government, warned about the threat of the Taliban before the government decided to take on the militants. However, when the government called out the military, the Maulana opposed the decision. The Jamiat-e Ahle Hadees Pakistan also criticised military action; while Imran Khan’s Tehreek-e Insaf took a position similar to the Islamists.

The Islamist parties’ disposition towards military action is also shaped by the Islamic denominational aspect of the Taliban issue. As a large number of Barelvi religious leaders opposed the imposition of sharia courts and supported military action, the predominant majority of religious leaders identifying with Deobandi/Wahabi/Ahle Hadees Islamic traditions extend varying degrees of support to the Taliban. Most of them have opposed military action as the Taliban subscribe to the Wahabi/Deobandi Islamic traditions
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There are few exceptions to this sectarian polarisation. However, the activism of Barelvi religious leaders in favour of the government and military action has also led religious scholars sympathetic to the Taliban to defend them. Some of them argue that the Taliban do not use force but that some foreign agents are engaged in killings and looting in the garb of the Taliban to malign the movement.

PMLN returned to its partisan approach on the Swat operation when its senior leaders engaged in bitter criticism of the government as well as the Swat operation in the National Assembly on May 12-13. Their arguments sounded very close to the Islamist political parties.

The government is summoning an all-parties conference on May 18, which is likely to approve a generalised statement favouring Pakistan’s solidarity and official policy on controlling extremism and militancy.
However, the polarised and confused state of mind of the political elite, especially the highly discordant views of Islamist parties, would make it difficult for the political elite to get their act together when it comes to evolving precise policies on counter-insurgency, or whether Pakistan is threatened by the Taliban or by so-called international conspiracies.

The negative fallout of the Swat operation is the groundswell of refugees from the conflict zones. They numbered about 1.3 million on May 14, and are being accommodated mainly in refugee camps. Necessary assistance is being provided by the federal and NWFP governments. Governments of other provinces have also provided economic and material help to refugees, along with a number of societal groups that are also working hard to help. Some pro-Taliban elements are using the refugee problem to argue for ending the military operation and holding talks with the Taliban.

It is disappointing that some parties, especially the Islamists, cannot overcome their narrow partisan interests, which makes it difficult for them to fathom the gravest ever threat to Pakistan’s internal harmony and security. If retrogressive forces like the Taliban and Al Qaeda succeed, neither the present Islamist parties nor the PMLN, the PTI and others would be able to function. Their future is linked with the future of Pakistan.


Dr Hasan-Askari Rizvi is a political and defence analyst
 
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