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They are supposed to provide what??
Govt refuses to revise $1.62b Orange Line Metro project
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They are supposed to provide what??
Technically, Nawaz Sharif did champion for Kaala baag dam in 90s but the consensus refused it. If it wasn't for consensus taking PPP, ANP and many political leaders into the account that PTI houses right now, Kaala baag dam would have been built by now and prevented several floods including eradicated the water and energy crisis.
This orange-line project is crucial for the congested cities like Karachi, Lahore and Peshawar and therefore, should be completed for the sake of people who need it. With the constant interference and drama scene on political platform, no wonder why many are scared to invest in Pakistan.
Plus, this project is profitable which should aid towards Basha dam. Just finish the project as soon as possible.
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nooooooooooooooooooo this is wrong complete it now
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Please don't advocate bullshit. For once try to distance your self from propaganda and think for Pakistan. Problem with PMLN is that it more visionary than what our country requires. Pakistan is spending billions on making Orange line and we have no money for energy. Orange line will entertain few but a dam built with same money would have helped the entire country. Taking down energy cost reducing trade deficit and reducing production cost for many business and reducing load shedding. It was a blunder on part of PMLN and it will be blunder on part of PTI for not completing it. If PTI waste these billions of my countries money for political scoring then they are same as PMLN which means ruling the country for their own political gains instead of betterment of my country and that would be actually going back to the point from where we started. They should complete it without wasting a single penny.
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All projects are created to sell Tickets , or Passes to recover the money state spend on Project and pay back debt
These Project are all FOR PROFIT
The people are suppose to use these Projects and stop riding Motor cycles
The roads will have Toll Collection Charges soon , to force people to use Metro Train/Bus projects to get maximum return from Projects
The age of Motor Cycles need to end in Pakistan
Need to Introduce Extended Length Buses
Money collected from Ticket sales goes back to paying down National Debt
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You need to stick with facts. Orange line is provincial CPEC/China BOT project, punjab or federal gov isn't spending from its own budget on it.
China agreed with Bhasha dam, they just wanted complete ownership of it which was not acceptable to Pakistan.
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Lahori un sey pochain jinko vote diya
Why not divert all of Punjab budget to all of Punjab instead of just Lahore
Yo do realize the budget appropriation just for Orange line was greater than irrigation?
Complete thos project but at a sane pace no need to divert funds from other districts and sectors just for this project
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man we already spend billion for god sake ye chutiyapa ab band hona chayee . same shobaz SOB did with hospitals which were under construction because these were old projects .Lahori un sey pochain jinko vote diya
Why not divert all of Punjab budget to all of Punjab instead of just Lahore
Yo do realize the budget appropriation just for Orange line was greater than irrigation?
Complete thos project but at a sane pace no need to divert funds from other districts and sectors just for this project
this is our money project koi bhi shuru kary .
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Changes are impossible. Its a case of old wine in new bottles. The same people who backed PPP PML are behind PTI. These PTI powers are the ones in charge and they already are reaping their pound of flesh. Taking non-filers and Tax evaders have already received their payment, the other corrupts are all lined up to receive theirs. There will be change of optics but never real change.
Can the PTI bell the cat?
Listen
For decades, governments in Pakistan have ensured the status quo by postponing and avoiding difficult decisions. The default no-action, no-change option is a huge choice in itself. While going down the same route, the PTI government is faced with an added problem: how to sell continuity as change?
No one constructs a guillotine to offer their own necks. Pakistan’s crony capitalists would have been crazy to invest their ‘hard-earned’ money on a party that wanted to create a welfare state. Pakistan’s electables would have been out of their minds to stampede to a platform that wanted to put an end to their role as mediators of power and patronage. Pakistan’s status-quo powers would have been too naïve to chaperon a party to power that wanted to upset their applecart.
Bringing Kaptaan to power was an expensive business. His four-year long unrelenting election campaign, comprising uncountable rallies, depended on the most modern, most expensive gadgetry and toys including helicopters and executive jets. Much of the resources and modes of transport were provided either by sugar barons or real-estate tycoons.
Many political scientists have argued that the goals of politicians are mainly the goals of the groups that provide them with backing and resources. In countries where money plays a large role in politics, it is common for a government to pay back investors through the policies that suit them. In Pakistan, the link has become stronger than ever. Politicians have become businessmen by taking loans and permits. Businessmen have become politicians by investing on political parties and political leaders. This situation has resulted in the growth of those sectors of the economy that depend on state patronage to survive and thrive.
The only substantial policy document that the PTI has brought forward so far is its mini-budget or the amendment to the budget passed by the former government. The budget shows that the PTI is keen to pay back the socio-economic classes and interest groups that backed it. That means continuity because, more or less, the same groups have been favoured by other political parties.
More than the situation of the national economy, the mini-budget tells us about the PTI itself. After all, the real policy of a government lies in its pocket. How much and from whom a government chooses to collect and to whom it chooses to give are the most important and consequential decisions that a government has to make.
Any policy that is not backed by the budget is a mere electoral slogan and a political lie. The groups backing the PTI may demand more, a lot more, for themselves. But they are not aching for change.
The PTI thinks this situation can be corrected with the help of foreign experts and investors. Some economists have rightly mentioned the unavailability of mortgage facilities in Pakistan. The PTI is unwilling to recognise the presence of a large elephant in the room and may have moved to aggravate the situation of housing in Pakistan.
Pakistan’s crisis of housing does not relate to banking and construction alone and it cannot be solved through availability of mortgage. It is a situation that has been largely created artificially by real estate itself. Property developers, or the land mafia, have bought land around cities through fair and foul means, displacing and dispossessing the poor and evicting them from lands where they had lived for centuries. This land is developed into plots through minimal development.
These plots are not meant for those who want to build a house but for speculators who want to make money the easy way or want to hide money earned through crime or tax evasion. These speculators buy files of plots in hundreds or even thousands and keep them as fixed income bonds to be sold at a later date.
For every city in Pakistan, there is a larger city of empty plots owned by speculators. Many economists have cried foul over this situation, which inflicts irreparable harm on the economy and goes against the logic of home ownership. These housing societies, that follow the US suburban housing model, eat up agriculture land. These societies have turned into an alternative to the banking system, diverting national savings to one of the most unproductive economic activities.
The last government made a feeble attempt to counter this situation by making it mandatory for buyers of expensive property to register in the tax system. This move made it difficult for tax dodgers to hide their wealth in plots. It was perhaps one of the most effective actions aimed at documentation. The movement of files did slow down and the prices of empty plots remained stagnant. But this situation helped genuine home-builders. To some extent at least, activity in real estate started shifting from speculation in files to construction. The PTI has once again opened the gates of the housing societies to tax dodgers in the name of Pakistanis living abroad, who somehow cannot prove their status to get an exemption.
Imran Khan told us one thousand times that people don’t pay taxes because they don’t trust the corrupt rulers who spend all of the public money on their own haleem and niharis. Now that we have a prime minister who does not even use the milk of a publically-owned buffalo, what can stop people from paying more than their due taxes?
Finance Minister Asad Umar has failed to understand this simple rule of the revolution. He has revised the tax targets downwards for the first year of the PTI government. Asad Umar admitted that the PTI had no tax reform policy of its own and would rather depend on the recommendations of a commission formed during the corrupt era.
Rather than broadening the tax base, the PTI government has taken the familiar route of over burdening the small number of people who have been caught in the tax trap either due to their own stupidity or because of unavoidable circumstances.
It can be safely assumed that in the next one year at least, the PTI government will not mess with Pakistan’s largest tax evaders – traders, services-sector professionals and large land owners. It can’t get new revolutionary zeal after a year and the second year in government is always tougher than the first.
The PTI had promised to hang the cat and it looks unable and unwilling even to bell it. The cat is too big for the party, which itself looks like a furry animal that can mew and purr.
The writer is an anthropologist and development professional.
Email: zaighamkhan@yahoo.com
Twitter: @zaighamkhan
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/375012-can-the-pti-bell-the-cat
Can the PTI bell the cat?
Listen
For decades, governments in Pakistan have ensured the status quo by postponing and avoiding difficult decisions. The default no-action, no-change option is a huge choice in itself. While going down the same route, the PTI government is faced with an added problem: how to sell continuity as change?
No one constructs a guillotine to offer their own necks. Pakistan’s crony capitalists would have been crazy to invest their ‘hard-earned’ money on a party that wanted to create a welfare state. Pakistan’s electables would have been out of their minds to stampede to a platform that wanted to put an end to their role as mediators of power and patronage. Pakistan’s status-quo powers would have been too naïve to chaperon a party to power that wanted to upset their applecart.
Bringing Kaptaan to power was an expensive business. His four-year long unrelenting election campaign, comprising uncountable rallies, depended on the most modern, most expensive gadgetry and toys including helicopters and executive jets. Much of the resources and modes of transport were provided either by sugar barons or real-estate tycoons.
Many political scientists have argued that the goals of politicians are mainly the goals of the groups that provide them with backing and resources. In countries where money plays a large role in politics, it is common for a government to pay back investors through the policies that suit them. In Pakistan, the link has become stronger than ever. Politicians have become businessmen by taking loans and permits. Businessmen have become politicians by investing on political parties and political leaders. This situation has resulted in the growth of those sectors of the economy that depend on state patronage to survive and thrive.
The only substantial policy document that the PTI has brought forward so far is its mini-budget or the amendment to the budget passed by the former government. The budget shows that the PTI is keen to pay back the socio-economic classes and interest groups that backed it. That means continuity because, more or less, the same groups have been favoured by other political parties.
More than the situation of the national economy, the mini-budget tells us about the PTI itself. After all, the real policy of a government lies in its pocket. How much and from whom a government chooses to collect and to whom it chooses to give are the most important and consequential decisions that a government has to make.
Any policy that is not backed by the budget is a mere electoral slogan and a political lie. The groups backing the PTI may demand more, a lot more, for themselves. But they are not aching for change.
The PTI thinks this situation can be corrected with the help of foreign experts and investors. Some economists have rightly mentioned the unavailability of mortgage facilities in Pakistan. The PTI is unwilling to recognise the presence of a large elephant in the room and may have moved to aggravate the situation of housing in Pakistan.
Pakistan’s crisis of housing does not relate to banking and construction alone and it cannot be solved through availability of mortgage. It is a situation that has been largely created artificially by real estate itself. Property developers, or the land mafia, have bought land around cities through fair and foul means, displacing and dispossessing the poor and evicting them from lands where they had lived for centuries. This land is developed into plots through minimal development.
These plots are not meant for those who want to build a house but for speculators who want to make money the easy way or want to hide money earned through crime or tax evasion. These speculators buy files of plots in hundreds or even thousands and keep them as fixed income bonds to be sold at a later date.
For every city in Pakistan, there is a larger city of empty plots owned by speculators. Many economists have cried foul over this situation, which inflicts irreparable harm on the economy and goes against the logic of home ownership. These housing societies, that follow the US suburban housing model, eat up agriculture land. These societies have turned into an alternative to the banking system, diverting national savings to one of the most unproductive economic activities.
The last government made a feeble attempt to counter this situation by making it mandatory for buyers of expensive property to register in the tax system. This move made it difficult for tax dodgers to hide their wealth in plots. It was perhaps one of the most effective actions aimed at documentation. The movement of files did slow down and the prices of empty plots remained stagnant. But this situation helped genuine home-builders. To some extent at least, activity in real estate started shifting from speculation in files to construction. The PTI has once again opened the gates of the housing societies to tax dodgers in the name of Pakistanis living abroad, who somehow cannot prove their status to get an exemption.
Imran Khan told us one thousand times that people don’t pay taxes because they don’t trust the corrupt rulers who spend all of the public money on their own haleem and niharis. Now that we have a prime minister who does not even use the milk of a publically-owned buffalo, what can stop people from paying more than their due taxes?
Finance Minister Asad Umar has failed to understand this simple rule of the revolution. He has revised the tax targets downwards for the first year of the PTI government. Asad Umar admitted that the PTI had no tax reform policy of its own and would rather depend on the recommendations of a commission formed during the corrupt era.
Rather than broadening the tax base, the PTI government has taken the familiar route of over burdening the small number of people who have been caught in the tax trap either due to their own stupidity or because of unavoidable circumstances.
It can be safely assumed that in the next one year at least, the PTI government will not mess with Pakistan’s largest tax evaders – traders, services-sector professionals and large land owners. It can’t get new revolutionary zeal after a year and the second year in government is always tougher than the first.
The PTI had promised to hang the cat and it looks unable and unwilling even to bell it. The cat is too big for the party, which itself looks like a furry animal that can mew and purr.
The writer is an anthropologist and development professional.
Email: zaighamkhan@yahoo.com
Twitter: @zaighamkhan
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/375012-can-the-pti-bell-the-cat
Clearly, you are not familiar with the Kaala baag dam and the history of political leaders that PTI houses right now that have been anti- Kaala baag dam at one point. That was the energy source proposed in 90s but through the consensus, that energy source rejected officially.
Energy source is important but so is motorway, orange line, metro express, and among other things. People were against motorway but thanks to the motorway, it opened many opportunities for the trade in terms of local and international [Afghanistan+China].
People were against Nuclear programs because they couldn't afford foods. But it is Nuclear programs that keeps India at bay. To this day, Pakistan has bought extra time and safety net to avoid circumstance like Middle East/Afghanistan.
Whether you admit it or not, PMLN had more history of investment for the economy of Pakistan than any leaders combined in the history of Pakistan except Ayub Khan. Most of them had different plan for different times. Zia-ul-Haq, another fine leader, was busy defending Pakistan through the resistance to tear USSR apart.
Yet leaders from main establishment had more years to rule Pakistan but failed miserably in many ways which to this day are still undoing the mistakes made by predecessor.
As for PTI, PTI still houses political leaders that were once opposed Kaala baag dam. And that is official narrative. It comes to the point now that Basha dam is proving costly and impossible to finish the project on time. And those who oppose Basha dam are none other than PPP and ANP. It is same PPP that PTI collaborated with not long ago to keep PMLN out.
If people supported PMLN's project, Kaala baag dam, in 90s, then there would be no need for Basha dam. Kaala baag dam is more useful than Basha dam which to this day still trail. Whereas for Kaala baag dam, not only it would have been finished by now but also eradicated energy and water crisis. Also, would have prevented floods after floods that claimed the lives by thousands. Does that still sound conspiracy theory to you, Mr Imranist-ar-d?
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Dont close it but dont over do it like last government other districts need funds too
Even grave yard fund was diverted to orange line
You fucking moron do you ever stop lying?
Pti, s view is clear build it after taking all provinces on board
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/kalabagh-dam-pti-wants-national-consensus.296102/
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Supreme Court already ordered to complete this project so they cant stop. basically federal govt has refused to give funds and asked Punjab govt to build it with your own funds.
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Ppp with pti
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/nawa...h-ppp-to-contest-october-by-elections.578677/
And punjab government will do it at a reasonable pace not diverting budgets of other districts for this one project
Fake news geobar just two weeks ago operation was launched in Islamabad to vacate land from land grabbers that operation will be made nationwide soon
Geobar should worry more about its falling ratings and tax issues
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Sir the facts are much different.
1> Wrong it will have zero effect on car only it will replace van and buses not all but most because they earn profit and here Govt. will spend huge Money on Its daily subsidies + its Loan + project interest & probably loan to run this project because Govt. is already Default.
2> wrong again pls check Ferozpur road or ask some one who live in Lahore.
If you want to save people time + Fuel (Reducing people exp+Reducing Import)
Only practical solution is improve infrastructure
1> Add More LANE 2> Bridge 3> Underpass 4> U-turn to avoid signal traffic Jam 5> U-Turn Bridge
3> its false info Metro earn nothing. We will save money by simply shutting it down or charging ticket for people to use it. e.g. Ring Road
Turkish Company Run Metro Project you give them Huge Money to subsidies this project.
Infrastructure is under Govt. and we spend money just to maintain it & now also add loan taken for this nonsense project + bank interest.
4> Because you waste insane amount of money for nothing. In Simple Words this Project it self is a Treason Against The State. The Reason your Hospital were so F up is because Govt divert all state resources for metro bus. i know one incident where govt. give few corer to hospital for a project(Free Treatment+Facility) then took it back for metro.
let me share a true story with you as an example
A patient needed a liver transplant
Doc rejected his request and told him this reason
Sir you are Earning Rs 25k per month you had nothing
Even if we perform Transplant Costing 3 Million + for free
You simply can't handle the huge cost(Doc+test+medicine+Hospital/Clinic) after Operation which is more then you earn
Now If anyone still support Metro Train/Bus then <MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON HIS/HER BRAIN>
Facts
The project which are stuck don't need daily subsides to run the project but your Turkish Run Project Does.
All add cost of maintenance for infrastructure
Another Fact unless Govt. further increase subsides your Metro ticket price will be further increased. Atleaset double for Rwp/Isb.
Don't generate revenue or pay back cost for Metro project or its loan but unless the project don't further required state money on daily basis for its daily operation then i am ok with it.
State should also use Metro Route for commercial basis charge people ticket and give them passage. for trains i don't see any benefits
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Bulk of the total spending on those project have already been done! We have wasted billions and delaying or canceling this now will only make the situation worse. Should complete the project, come out with a white paper on what the cost COULD have been, what it actually WAS when PTI came to power and how much they had to invest more to complete it finally.
For metro, if there are any future projects envisioned, they should be on a private sector-gov collaboration basis AND the buses for the projects should be made in Pakistan. Ask that firm to set up a plant here or sign a contract with existing plants and make these here. WE SHOULD NOT WASTE $$$ ON IMPORTING these while we can make them at home
For metro, if there are any future projects envisioned, they should be on a private sector-gov collaboration basis AND the buses for the projects should be made in Pakistan. Ask that firm to set up a plant here or sign a contract with existing plants and make these here. WE SHOULD NOT WASTE $$$ ON IMPORTING these while we can make them at home
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