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Govt asked not to ‘condone’ Russia’s military intervention in Ukraine

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Former ambassador Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry (right) speaks at a KLF session on Saturday. Former envoy Zafar Hilaly and Salma Malik of the Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad, are also seen. —Fahim Siddiqi / White Star

KARACHI: A seasoned former diplomat on Saturday advised the government not to condone the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, while others called upon Islamabad to take a leaf out of Beijing’s playbook and condemn ‘both sides’ in equal measure.

“Russia may have been provoked but we should not condone the military intervention in Ukraine,” said Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, who is now at the Institute of Strategic Studies in Islamabad.

During a discussion on ‘Pakistan’s Foreign Policy: Challenges In Transitional Era’, speakers at the 13th Karachi Literature Festival (KLF) urged the Pakistani government not to condone Russia’s ‘military intervention’ in Ukraine and asked them to learn a lesson or two from close ally China that had condemned the US for provoking and allegedly overlooking security concerns of Moscow. But at the same time, they recalled, Beijing had — in a way — criticised the invasion of Kyiv by saying that the ‘sovereignty of Ukraine should be respected’.

Talking about two schools of thought in foreign policy pertaining to ‘morality and realistic’, Mr Chaudhry observed undermining sovereignty and territorial integrity of any country could not be condoned. He recalled that it was due to this reason that Pakistan had condemned the regime change policy of Washington in Syria because it impinged on sovereignty of Damascus.

“We should not support any illegal action against any country,” said senior journalist and author, Zahid Hussain. He suggested it was important for Pakistan to look into the position that China had taken about the Ukraine invasion.

Mr Hussain believed Beijing had condemned the US but at the same time, it had called for respecting the sovereignty of Kyiv.

Another former envoy and anchor, Zafar Hilaly recalled the US broke the promise it made with last ruler of Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev for not expanding Nato but it had expanded Nato more than double.

“Putin has done what the US did in Iraq when it (US) attacked Baghdad by using an excuse of ‘pre-emptive self-defence’,” he said.

Earlier, the former envoy said ‘unilateralism, violation of UN charter/global norms, competition among global powers like the US, Russia and China, trade protectionism and treating immigrants as threats to security and economy’ were some of the aspects of transitional global politics.

In another programme, titled ‘Security Conundrum: Internal and External’, Dr Haider Nizamani who teaches at IBA Karachi said the much-talked recent national security policy appeared to be ‘an advance course on human security’ as it did not tell us as to how to move away from geostrategic to geo-economic.

He opined that this shift on human security would not be possible unless the India factor was addressed and the said policy stressed that ‘normal ties’ with New Delhi would be possible only when the Kashmir dispute was addressed. He also criticised Prime Minister Imran Khan’s recent claim that he knew India better merely because he had been visiting it as cricket player in the past.

Ms Salma Malik, who teaches at the Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad, called for adopting careful policy for taking sides in wake of evolving of rivalry between the US, Russia and China, ‘as environment is different and actors are different today.’

Published in Dawn, March 6th, 2022



Finally a day when people stand up for Paksitan and Paksitan alone

K
 
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This is actually a good advise.

Btw people were questioning Imran Khan visit to Moscow where as Israeli PM visited Moscow yesterday as well in middle of a war when entire West is sanctioning Russia as much as they can and issuing a warning to other countries to back up their stance. So won't they question Israeli PM visit at this moment especially Indians ?
 
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This is actually a good advise.

Btw people were questioning Imran Khan visit to Moscow where as yesterday Israeli PM visited Moscow yesterday as well in middle of a war when entire West is sanctioning Russia as much as they can and issuing a warning to other countries to back up their stance. So won't they question Israeli PM visit at this moment especially Indians ?
You make the mistake of assuming they (esp Indians) use critical thinking. They will see Pakistan and automatically shit themselves. When they see Israel, they get on their knees and start sucking.
 
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You make the mistake of assuming they (esp Indians) use critical thinking. They will see Pakistan and automatically shit themselves. When they see Israel, they get on their knees and start sucking.
I know, just was being sarcastic about them.
 
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This is actually a good advise.

Btw people were questioning Imran Khan visit to Moscow where as Israeli PM visited Moscow yesterday as well in middle of a war when entire West is sanctioning Russia as much as they can and issuing a warning to other countries to back up their stance. So won't they question Israeli PM visit at this moment especially Indians ?
Maybe Israeli PM visited on behalf of Jewish Ukrainian leader.
 
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We can't condone this:-


Tragedy unfolding on outskirts of Kyiv

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KYIV: People cross a destroyed bridge as they leave the city of Irpin during heavy shelling and bombing on Saturday.—AFP

KYIV: People cross a destroyed bridge as they leave the city of Irpin during heavy shelling and bombing on Saturday.—AFP

IRPIN: Exploding shells blew apart roadsides on Saturday and Russian warplanes bombed stretches of the horizon as thousands of Ukrainians scrambled to escape Kyiv’s war-shattered outskirts by any means possible.
The roads on Kyiv’s western edge bear witness to a human tragedy whose scale grows ever greater as Russia’s assault on the Ukrainian capital becomes more determined and indiscriminate.
The Russian forces’ initial assault on Kyiv — launched with missile strikes and an airborne assault on an airbase — stalled at the end of last week.

The two sides have since been locked in a long-range shelling war along Kyiv’s outskirts that has put working class towns such as Bucha and Irpin in the line of fire.
But people fleeing the two towns said their resolve to stay broke down when Russian warplanes started circling overhead and dropping bombs on Friday.
“Warplanes. They are bombing residential areas — schools, churches, big buildings, everything,” accountant Natalia Dydenko said after a quick glance back at the destruction she left behind.
The 58-year-old was one of thousands of people walking with their children and whatever belongings they could carry down a road leading toward central Kyiv and away from the front.
The metric booms of Russia bombs dropped from warplanes circling over Bucha and Irpin provided a morbid backdrop for their desperate march.
“It began two days ago. It wasn’t as heavy before, but two days ago it started getting really heavy,” she said.
People were trying to get to the remains of a bridge leading to Kyiv over the Irpin River which Ukrainian forces blew up last week to stall the Russian advance. Ukrainian soldiers with assault rifles swinging off their shoulders helped wheelchair-bound pensioners and mothers with prams cross a few wooden planks tossed over the river on Saturday.
Thousands of people massed in stony silence under the shattered remains of the original concrete bridge while awaiting their turn to pass.
A group of soldiers was digging anti-tank missile launchers into foxholes on the Kyiv side of the river.
Another group was preparing new supplies of shoulder-launched missiles and Kalashnikovs that could be ferried back across the wooden planks toward the front. A long-range missile whistled overhead. A hollow thud about half a minute later signalled still more destruction somewhere in the general vicinity of northern Kyiv.
“We were waiting it out. But yesterday, when a plane flew by and dropped something on us, we simply had to run,” said Galina Vasylchenko, walking with her 30-year-old daughter toward the makeshift bridge.
The seeming shift in Russia’s strategy from shelling to aerial bombings is a bad omen for the Ukrainian capital. Russian warplanes have bombed and killed dozens in the central town of Chernihiv and the eastern city of Kharkiv in the past week.
Many analysts felt that Kyiv’s heritage would keep Russia from bombing the city of three million people. But the destruction is creeping closer to Kyiv.
The town of Bucha — the further out of the two towns — had witnessed the first fighting and parts of the area are now all but razed to the ground.
That same level of violence is now raining down on Irpin.
A supermarket and petrol station that on Friday stood at a large junction on the border between Bucha and Irpin was just ruins on Saturday.
Soldiers were ushering the fleeing residents onto buses on the Kyiv side of the Irpin River because walking on that part of the city’s streets was no longer safe.
Thousands more piled their belongings into cars and tried to get out of Irpin by taking a circuitous route that leads to Kyiv’s main train station from the southwest.
Published in Dawn, March 6th, 2022
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New Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif did mention India, China, US, U.k and Saudi Arabia in his in his first speech in NA. However he has not uttered a single word about Russia or Ukraine.

Good d** ........ deserve a coockie.
 
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Govt asked not to ‘condone’ Russia’s military intervention in Ukraine

Imtiaz Ali

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Former ambassador Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry (right) speaks at a KLF session on Saturday. Former envoy Zafar Hilaly and Salma Malik of the Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad, are also seen. —Fahim Siddiqi / White Star

KARACHI: A seasoned former diplomat on Saturday advised the government not to condone the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, while others called upon Islamabad to take a leaf out of Beijing’s playbook and condemn ‘both sides’ in equal measure.

“Russia may have been provoked but we should not condone the military intervention in Ukraine,” said Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, who is now at the Institute of Strategic Studies in Islamabad.

During a discussion on ‘Pakistan’s Foreign Policy: Challenges In Transitional Era’, speakers at the 13th Karachi Literature Festival (KLF) urged the Pakistani government not to condone Russia’s ‘military intervention’ in Ukraine and asked them to learn a lesson or two from close ally China that had condemned the US for provoking and allegedly overlooking security concerns of Moscow. But at the same time, they recalled, Beijing had — in a way — criticised the invasion of Kyiv by saying that the ‘sovereignty of Ukraine should be respected’.

Talking about two schools of thought in foreign policy pertaining to ‘morality and realistic’, Mr Chaudhry observed undermining sovereignty and territorial integrity of any country could not be condoned. He recalled that it was due to this reason that Pakistan had condemned the regime change policy of Washington in Syria because it impinged on sovereignty of Damascus.

“We should not support any illegal action against any country,” said senior journalist and author, Zahid Hussain. He suggested it was important for Pakistan to look into the position that China had taken about the Ukraine invasion.

Mr Hussain believed Beijing had condemned the US but at the same time, it had called for respecting the sovereignty of Kyiv.

Another former envoy and anchor, Zafar Hilaly recalled the US broke the promise it made with last ruler of Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev for not expanding Nato but it had expanded Nato more than double.

“Putin has done what the US did in Iraq when it (US) attacked Baghdad by using an excuse of ‘pre-emptive self-defence’,” he said.

Earlier, the former envoy said ‘unilateralism, violation of UN charter/global norms, competition among global powers like the US, Russia and China, trade protectionism and treating immigrants as threats to security and economy’ were some of the aspects of transitional global politics.

In another programme, titled ‘Security Conundrum: Internal and External’, Dr Haider Nizamani who teaches at IBA Karachi said the much-talked recent national security policy appeared to be ‘an advance course on human security’ as it did not tell us as to how to move away from geostrategic to geo-economic.

He opined that this shift on human security would not be possible unless the India factor was addressed and the said policy stressed that ‘normal ties’ with New Delhi would be possible only when the Kashmir dispute was addressed. He also criticised Prime Minister Imran Khan’s recent claim that he knew India better merely because he had been visiting it as cricket player in the past.

Ms Salma Malik, who teaches at the Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, Quaid-i-Azam University, Islamabad, called for adopting careful policy for taking sides in wake of evolving of rivalry between the US, Russia and China, ‘as environment is different and actors are different today.’

Published in Dawn, March 6th, 2022



Finally a day when people stand up for Paksitan and Paksitan alone

K

Indians proving that they are not Beggers Can't be Choosers...



"Jai Hind"

In Pakistan the COAS kicks out the elected PM for saying this...
 
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Indians proving that they are not Beggers Can't be Choosers...



"Jai Hind"

In Pakistan the COAS kicks out the elected PM for saying this...
USA I mean Israel needs India to keep Pakistan at bay. There were many occasions usa came close to sanction Pakistan; even threatened in the past when Ayub decided to attack India in 62.

Israel always made sure India remains untouched whereas the worlds want Pakistan denuclearized and unIslamic.

Pakistan cannot afford sanctions amid all the threats. People should stop using india as benchmark since the comparisons are not same since one is under the threat and other is being protected.
 
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New Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif did mention India, China, US, U.k and Saudi Arabia in his in his first speech in NA. However he has not uttered a single word about Russia or Ukraine.

Good d** ........ deserve a coockie.
Dogs are loyal to their masters.
 
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Dogs are loyal to their masters.

Yes, but look how all the mainstream media conveniently ignored the foreign policy messaging in his speech. No one mentioned apologetic behavior and his avoidance of Russia-Ukraine issue.

Whereas just 3 months ago, there used to be an hour long discussions on color of welcome carpet during a foreign visit of prime minister.
 
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