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Krishnan from the CPI(ML), economist Jean Dreze and Maimoona Mollah of AIDWA spent five days in Kashmir after the government nullified Article 370 in Jammu And Kashmir, and bifurcated the state.

Ten days since Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led government shut down all mobile services and the internet in Jammu & Kashmir, making it harder to understand how Kashmiris feel about the state losing its special constitutional status, and effectively choking any dissent, backlash and protests against its demotion to a Union Territory.

Two competing narratives have emerged amidst the communication blackout.

The Modi government, and large sections of the Indian media, claim that Kashmir is calm and Kashmiris are thrilled at the changes.

Meanwhile, reports in other sections of the Indian media and the foreign press, paint a disturbing picture of a people besieged by heavily armed troopers.

Telling is the fact that after days of refuting reports of a large protest in the Soura area of Srinagar, the Modi government has admitted there was one.

HuffPost India spoke with women’s rights activist Kavita Krishnan, who has returned from a five-day fact finding mission from Kashmir, along with economist Jean Dreze, Maimoona Mollah from the All India Democratic Women’s Association, the women’s wing of the Communist Party of India (Marxist), and Vimal Bhai, a social activist.

From August 9-13, Krishnan, who is secretary of the All India Progressive Women’s Association, and a member of the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist), traveled to Srinagar, Sopore, Bandipora, Anantnag, Shopian and Pampore.

Describing the situation as grim, Krishnan said, “Frankly, it looked like occupied Iraq or occupied Palestine.”

Frankly, it looked like occupied Iraq or occupied Palestine.
What did you see?
The situation is absolutely grim. Kashmir is under military siege. There are paramilitary forces on every street, outside homes, outside localities. The situation is really quite alarming. There is no scope for anyone to speak, no scope for peaceful protests.

On the day of Eid, there was desolation. No one except tiny children were in festive clothing. They were not allowed to go to the mosque to do their prayers in rural areas. The azaan was not permitted so they just had to do their namaz at home. People feel a complete sense of anger and betrayal. There is helplessness, frustration.

In the Kashmir Valley, we did not meet a single soul who was happy with the decision. They were upset with the media coverage. They said, ‘Everyone is saying that it’s a great thing for Kashmir, but whose wedding is it and who is celebrating? It’s supposed to be our wedding, at least ask us whether we are happy? How come no one is asking us what we think?’ It is seen as an act of humiliation and violence against the people of Kashmir.

What is the curfew like?
I can tell you that there is a complete and total curfew. Even in the street where we were staying which is an upmarket locality of Srinagar, Rajbagh. Even that was under complete curfew on the day of Eid. Across Kashmir, there is a sense that this is an assault and an act of aggression against the people of Kashmir.

Did you speak with Kashmiri pandits?
Yes, we did. We spoke to several Kashmiri pandits. We have video documentation of one of them. He is trying to explain that Kashmiriyat is a thing and that means celebrating Eid. He is a pandit, who is saying ‘our festival Eid is coming.’ We met Sikhs. We met Hindu migrant labourers. They all spoke about the safety and the terrible situation that everyone was in.

The Modi government has said that Kashmir is mostly calm, but there are sporadic protests involving a handful of people. They came out against the BBC’s video footage that suggested there was a large protest in Soura.
Yes, but they are not allowing protests. Protests have been sporadic, I agree. There was one huge protest in Soura near Srinagar. That was correctly reported. It was a very large protest. We met pellet gun victims, who were not protestors, but bystanders there. We met some of those kids. You can’t gag and bind people and say there are no protests.

We met people in villages all over Kashmir, where little kids have been… there is no other word to use… they have been abducted by the police. They have been picked up from their homes in the middle of the night from their beds and they are held indefinitely, illegally, either in army camps or in police stations. They are being beaten up. Their parents have no way of ascertaining whether their children will disappear or be returned. There is no case that is registered, no FIR. I can say that to every village we went, there were arrests that had happened.

You are saying that a class 7 boy was arrested?
Not one. We met one Class 7 boy, who was arrested. He told us that there are others — younger than him — who have been arrested and who are still in custody. It’s total terror.

Why would the authorities be picking up children as young as that?
As an act of intimidation. Their parents assured us that their children have not thrown stones. Their parents said they have been picked up on the way to mosques, from their homes, from their beds at night. That kind of thing. They are making it a point to raid houses in the night and take away young boys in the night. It creates immense fear, especially among the women. The women have whispered to us that they have been molested during such raids. This was the story in every village that we visited. My question is what is the Indian media doing? Why are they not visiting these places? We could visit them.

This is very grave news and serious accusations. Have you brought back proof?
Yes. We have video documentation of family members and of a child who had been released one day before. We do have documentation.

Could you elaborate?
I’ll tell you two things. One video is of a 11-year-old child who was released one day before Eid and he is saying that he was kept in custody from fifth onwards and beaten up, and there were children younger than him in custody. Then, we have video of family members, we are not identifying them because they are scared, but their teenage boy has been picked up in the middle of the night from his bed and he is being kept illegally. They have gone to the thana but they keep taaloing them, saying it is not in our hands, we cannot do anything. They are really afraid because there is no record of their arrest. Tomorrow, if something happens to him or he just vanishes, there is no record that he was arrested at all. We have that on record.


My question is what is the Indian media doing? Why are they not visiting these places?
These arrests that you spoke of are are being done by the police or the CRPF (Central Reserve Police Force)?
What we were told was that it is the police as well as army. We did not go to the police stations because we were begged by the people not to. They were in two minds. They want someone to intervene but they fear it could make life worse for their boys. They said, ‘We are hoping against hope that they will be returned safely, but please do not make inquiries right now.’ They are not even sure where they are kept. They are guessing that some of them are in the thaana, some of them are in the army camps which are cheek by jowl to these villages. They are saying an illegal detention, by the police or the army, is a crime. And given Kashmir’s history, it is immensely dangerous. We know that there have been mass graves, mass custodial killings, mass disappearances, in Kashmir.

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry...ldren-article-370_in_5d5388c3e4b05fa9df0696fd
 
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Sad if True. But this must be Verified First. ( I think PDF rules do suggest so ? )
We have seen a lot of Fake news circulating for 'obvious reasons'.

It might be hard to understand but by simply tainting India in short term ( which everybody expects to happen ) wont be of any use to actual change on the ground, unless some real.. strategy that actually can be effective to carry forward Pakistan's narrative can be implemented.
 
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Sad if True. But this must be Verified First. ( I think PDF rules do suggest so ? )
We have seen a lot of Fake news circulating for 'obvious reasons'.

It might be hard to understand but by simply tainting India in short term ( which everybody expects to happen ) wont be of any use to actual change on the ground, unless some real.. strategy that actually can be effective to carry forward Pakistan's narrative can be implemented.

Here are two different sources... A Western one and an Indian one with the same story;:

https://m.huffingtonpost.in/amp/ent...dren-article-370_in_5d5388c3e4b05fa9df0696fd/

https://www.news18.com/news/india/r...aim-situation-kashmir-not-normal-2270879.html
 
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Sad if True. But this must be Verified First. ( I think PDF rules do suggest so ? )
We have seen a lot of Fake news circulating for 'obvious reasons'.

It might be hard to understand but by simply tainting India in short term ( which everybody expects to happen ) wont be of any use to actual change on the ground, unless some real.. strategy that actually can be effective to carry forward Pakistan's narrative can be implemented.

Well, it is not OP's own words and he has copied the text from a newspaper but he should have provided the source. This is not fake news and in fact it has been already been shared here.
Click here for source


BTW I'm of the opinion that for every news there should be a source any thread created in violation of that rule should be deleted and I think forum rules are their but mods selectively implement them but that's besides the point.

Thanx. Buts its an Indian Source. So its It Stands Null and "Not Credible".
Now your hindutva bias is showing up.. otherwise your objections are just lame
 
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Link posted.

forgot to post it before.

BTW I'm of the opinion that for every news there should be a source any thread created in violation of that rule should be deleted and I think forum rules are their but mods selectively implement them but that's besides the point.
Link posted in op.
 
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Link posted.

forgot to post it before.


Link posted in op.
Good job bro, it is always nice to follow the forum rules. BTW so many members including me provided him the source and now he is finding some other excuses to not accept the reality which is very typical of these people.
 
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Thanx. Buts its an Indian Source. So its It Stands Null and "Not Credible".

Here is another Indian source. Not that it matters. No amount of evidence will suffice for a Hindutva. India is creating future Jihadi warriors for freedom in Kashmir.

https://m.telegraphindia.com/india/...by-forces-say-jean-dreze-and-team/cid/1697905

Kashmiri children taken away by forces, say Jean Dreze and team
The report was made public at a time large sections of the mainstream media have been accused of toeing the government line or have faced communication hurdles in reporting

ByPheroze L. Vincentin New Delhi

  • Published 15.08.19, 2:40 AM
  • Updated 15.08.19, 2:40 AM
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Pakistani Kashmiri boy Fakhar, 11, who was allegedly injured by an artillery fired across the border, rests at his home in Chilana, situated at the Line of Control between Pakistan and India, on Friday, Aug. 9, 2019AP
A team of civil society members has recorded testimonies about children who say they were detained and beaten in Kashmir since an ongoing lockdown erected an information blockade in the Valley.

The team members said they were denied the use of the projector of Press Club of India, where they released a report on Wednesday after touring Kashmir from August 9 to 13. At the Press Club, the team was unable to show a short film on their journey in Kashmir, which was later uploaded on YouTube.

The report, titled “Kashmir Caged”, is authored by Jean Dreze, economist; Maimoona Mollah, president of the CPM-backed Janwadi Mahila Samiti —Delhi; Kavita Krishnan, secretary of the CPIML-Liberation-backed All India Progressive Women’s Association; and Vimal, an anti-dam activist.


Their report was made public at a time large sections of the mainstream Indian media have been accused of toeing the government line or have faced communication hurdles in reporting from the lockdown state which is scheduled to become a Union Territory on October 31.

The Telegraph’s journalists in Srinagar were unable to gather information and file reports in the immediate aftermath of the decision to revoke the special status and statehood of Jammu and Kashmir.

Representatives of mainstream Opposition parties have also been barred from entering Jammu and Kashmir. Against such a backdrop, the report of the four activists assumes considerable significance and helps plug an inexcusable vacuum in a democracy although critics accuse them of bias.

This newspaper tried to elicit official response to the contents of the report, messaging K. Vijay Kumar, adviser to the Jammu and Kashmir governor, and the Union government’s principal spokesperson Sitanshu Kar. Neither had responded till Wednesday night.

The following are some of the specific instances listed in the report, “Kashmir Caged”:

  • “On 6 August, a graphic designer for the Rising Kashmir newspaper, Samir Ahmad, (in his early 20s) had remonstrated with a CRPF man near his home in the Manderbag area of Srinagar, asking him to allow an old man to pass. Later the same day, when Samir opened the door to his house, CRPF fired at him with a pellet gun, unprovoked. He got 172 pellets in his arm and face near the eyes, but his eyesight is safe.”

  • “We met a 11-year-old boy in Pampore who had been held in a police station between 5 August and 11 August. He had been beaten up, and he said there were boys even younger than him in custody, from nearby villages. Hundreds of boys and teens are being picked up from their beds in midnight raids. The only purpose of these raids is to create fear. Women and girls told us of molestation by armed forces during these raids.”

  • In a video made by the team, which could not be screened at the media conference venue, a boy is heard saying that he was detained by the security forces while going to offer namaz on August 5 (the day the Centre’s plans were unveiled in Parliament). He says that there were 10 to 12 children with him in custody and they were beaten.
No faces are shown in the video, and the camera focuses on the feet of the narrators to protect their identity.

  • “When our flight landed, and the airline staff announced that passengers could switch on our mobiles, the entire flight (with mostly Kashmiris in it) burst into mocking laughter. “What a joke”, we could hear people say -- since mobile and landline phones and Internet have all been blocked since 5 August!”

  • “Except for the BJP spokesperson on Kashmir affairs, we did not meet a single person who supported the Indian government’s decision…. On the contrary, most people were extremely angry.”

  • “The Indian media’s claims of a rapid return to normalcy in Kashmir are grossly misleading. They are based on selective reports from a small enclave in the centre of Srinagar.”

  • “The words we heard over and over from people about the government decisions on J&K were ‘zulm’ (oppression), ‘zyadti’ (excess/cruelty), and ‘dhokha’ (betrayal). As one man in Safakadal (downtown Srinagar) put it, “The government has treated us Kashmiris like slaves, taking decisions about our lives and our future while we are captive. It’s like forcing something down our throats while keeping us bound and gagged, with a gun to our heads.”

  • In every lane of Srinagar city, every town, every village, that we visited, we received an extensive schooling from ordinary people, including school kids, on the history of the Kashmir dispute. They were angry and appalled at the manner in which the Indian media was whitewashing this history.”

  • “Not all demanded restoration of Article 370. Many said that it was only the parliamentary parties who had asked people to have faith that India would honour the contract that was Article 370. The abrogation of Article 370 only discredited those ‘pro-India parties’, and vindicated those who argued for Kashmir’s ‘azaadi’ (independence) from India, they felt.”

  • “We met two victims of pellet gun injuries in SMHS hospital in Srinagar. The two young men (Waqar Ahmad and Wahid) had faces, arms and torso full of pellets. Their eyes were bloodshot and blinded. Waqar had a catheter in which the urine, red with blood from internal bleeding, could be seen. Their family members, weeping with grief and rage, told us that the two men had not been pelting stones. They had been peacefully protesting.”

  • We met BJP spokesperson on Kashmir affairs, Ashwani Kumar Chrungoo at the office of Rising Kashmir, a Kashmir newspaper…. Should a government impose an unpopular decision on people of Kashmir who have not voted for that decision, at gunpoint? Chrungoo said: “In Bihar when Nitish Kumar imposed prohibition, he didn’t ask the alcoholics for their permission or consent. It’s the same here.” His contempt for the people of Kashmir was evident from this analogy.

    “Towards the end of the conversation, he became increasingly edgy when confronted by facts and arguments by us. He got up and wagged a finger at Jean Dreze, saying ‘We won’t let anti-nationals like you do your work here. I am warning you.’”
  • There is widespread anger against the Indian media. People are imprisoned in their homes, unable to communicate with each other, express themselves on social media, or make their voices heard in any way. In their homes, they watch Indian TV claim that Kashmir welcomes the government decisions. They seethe with rage at the erasure of their voices. As one young man in Safakadal put it, “Kiski shaadi hai, aur kaun naach raha hai?! (It’s supposed to be our wedding, but it’s only others who are dancing!) If this move is supposed to be for our benefit and development, why not ask what we ourselves think about it?”
Press Club

At the media conference at the Press Club of India in New Delhi, Krishnan, the secretary of the All India Progressive Women’s Association, asked a question: “Surely this is a time when we all need to stand up to pressure. If the Press Club cannot allow our footage and pictures to be screened, then who can?”

Although the Press Club allowed the venue to be booked, the team said they were not allowed to use the projector. Krishnan said they were told that the club is “under scrutiny.”

Press Club president Anant Bagaitkar, who is out of town, told this newspaper: “We did not tell them not to show this, or don’t say this.”

Bagaitkar said he was unaware why they could not use the projector. An office bearer told this paper: “We do not want to have a situation where we are forced by authorities not to have any such press conferences in future.”

In 2016, the club was investigated for an event in which Kashmiri students raised slogans for independence from India.

In Kashmir, the team was not allowed to meet CPM MLA M.Y. Tarigami, currently ill and under house arrest in Srinagar.

“At least 600 political leaders and civil society activists are under arrest. There is no clear information on what laws are invoked to arrest them, or where they are being held. A very large number of political leaders are under house arrest -- it is impossible to ascertain how many,” says the report.

Dreze said that the ratio of troops to civilians was as high as 1:10. “The purpose of the military presence is not for guarding the border, but to control the local population to prevent any protest however peaceful they may be,” Dreze said.
 
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Sad if True. But this must be Verified First. ( I think PDF rules do suggest so ? )
We have seen a lot of Fake news circulating for 'obvious reasons'.

It might be hard to understand but by simply tainting India in short term ( which everybody expects to happen ) wont be of any use to actual change on the ground, unless some real.. strategy that actually can be effective to carry forward Pakistan's narrative can be implemented.
Nothing fake about the Indian barbarity in Kashmir. Kashmiris need to do the following:-
1. Create small groups to organise and acquire weapons
2. create spy networks to collect info
3. Learn Guerrilla tactics
4. Start action campaigns
5. Import weapons specialist from abroad.
6. Systematically push the Indians out.
 
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Nothing fake about the Indian barbarity in Kashmir. Kashmiris need to do the following:-
1. Create small groups to organise and acquire weapons
2. create spy networks to collect info
3. Learn Guerrilla tactics
4. Start action campaigns
5. Import weapons specialist from abroad.
6. Systematically push the Indians out.
It is easier said than done and the mediocrity, apathy and insensitivity on this forum is appalling well as PM said about the stunted growth our nation has suffered.
There are more than 900,000 Gangadeshi terrorists equipped with latest & heavy weapons for decades in the valley so people have been taken hostages. Every pathetic keyboard warrior comes with nonsensical crap. They have no weapons otherwise why would they be throwing stones? So keep this crap to yourselves and if you can't help then stop rubbing salt in their wounds you shameless goons. Kashmiris need help and it is incumbent upon all Muslims especially Pakistanis to help them.. it is our duty come what may..
 
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Nothing fake about the Indian barbarity in Kashmir. Kashmiris need to do the following:-
1. Create small groups to organise and acquire weapons
2. create spy networks to collect info
3. Learn Guerrilla tactics
4. Start action campaigns
5. Import weapons specialist from abroad.
6. Systematically push the Indians out.

Right. That seems to be a great Plan.

For the Record :

Musharrf, who.. tried and failed in 1999 came back on the negotation table. Im yet to find any one who has stronger determination than him.
 
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Nothing fake about the Indian barbarity in Kashmir. Kashmiris need to do the following:-
1. Create small groups to organise and acquire weapons
2. create spy networks to collect info
3. Learn Guerrilla tactics
4. Start action campaigns
5. Import weapons specialist from abroad.
6. Systematically push the Indians out.

Not only that but learn from Hong Kong protesters. I've never seen anything like that in IoK. Time to stop being stooges of India and demand azadi at the same time. Few militants will not be enough. India by spending 10% of central budget on IoK have essentially made every Kashmiri who work basically slave of India.
 
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Sad if True. But this must be Verified First. ( I think PDF rules do suggest so ? )
We have seen a lot of Fake news circulating for 'obvious reasons'.

It might be hard to understand but by simply tainting India in short term ( which everybody expects to happen ) wont be of any use to actual change on the ground, unless some real.. strategy that actually can be effective to carry forward Pakistan's narrative can be implemented.

She posted a video in which she interviews the children in Kashmir.
 
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