Govt Approves Inclusion Of Qadianis In National Commission For Minorities

[Moonlight]

Sure but it is offensive for every muslim and should be. It is their way to rub on the wounds. And the origin for why it is used is:
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وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ ۖ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَٰذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ

English translation, is as follows:

"And remember when Jesus, son of Mary, said, o children of Israel, surely I am Allah's Messenger unto you fulfilling that which is before me of Torah, and giving glad tidings of e. Messenger who will come after me. His name will be Ahmad. And when he came to them with clear proofs they said, 'This is clear enchantment"'.
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Their claim is here and if one accept what they claim to be called as, we are accepting what they believe. So its a very sensitive topic. Sometimes we just accept things how they are in thoughtlessness.

Umm no. It shouldn’t. We surly know what it refers to when they call themselves Ahmedi.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Did’t you just question the faith of “you lot”? Then I wanted to question your name that doesn’t really make any sense.


And yes everyone should have all the freedom to practice their faith but calling ones faith your faith as well with making some blasphemous changes would definitely face serious criticism.

I questioned the faith of those that can't even tolerate a community practicing their faith as they wish and support imposing upon that community restrictions such as 'don't call yourself Muslim and don't call yourself a minority either in Pakistan'.

Like I said, my values, about treating everyone with respect so long as they are not causing tangible harm to another, are clear. Those who support discrimination of Ahmadis and support forcing their religious beliefs on them don't earn my respect and yes, I consider their faith weak in that they cannot tolerate theological differences.

I do not see Islam supporting the laws against Ahmadis in Pakistan, so yes, I'll go so far as to say that our treatment of Ahmadis in Pakistan is un-Islamic.

 

[Crusher]

Did’t you just question the faith of “you lot”? Then I wanted to question your name that doesn’t really make any sense.


And yes everyone should have all the freedom to practice their faith but calling ones faith your faith as well with making some blasphemous changes would definitely face serious criticism.

His id is definitely an oxymoron. It is like calling oneself truthful liar.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

His id is definitely an oxymoron. It is like calling oneself truthful liar.

The usual resort of people who run out of logical rebuttals - start arguing over tangential issues like, 'hey, look over there at that guys name!'

 

[Yaseen1]

their job is to create doubt about Muslim faith and it is biggest antiIslamic tool of enemies of Muslims to use Islamic concepts for their own interests with hidden purpose is to change true form of Islam in a stealth mode

As a Muslim you know your faith you know the final messnger is our Nabi Paak Muhammad s.a.w you dont need a non believer to tell you your faith and the goverment has declared them as non muslim so this arguemnt is not even necessary. It doesnt matter what he says.

 

[El Sidd]

As a Muslim you know your faith you know the final messnger is our Nabi Paak Muhammad s.a.w you dont need a non believer to tell you your faith and the goverment has declared them as non muslim so this arguemnt is not even necessary. It doesnt matter what he says.

Will you declare everyone terrorist who comes out against this law?

Diyyat economy without oil.

what a fail idea and you want to be dark destroyer. maybe you are just racist against darker skinned people

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

their job is to create doubt about Muslim faith and it is biggest antiIslamic tool of enemies of Muslims to use Islamic concepts for their own interests with hidden purpose is to change true form of Islam in a stealth mode

So whats the

Will you declare everyone terrorist who comes out against this law?

Diyyat economy without oil.

what a fail idea and you want to be dark destroyer. maybe you are just racist against darker skinned people

Well i dont know about everyone but you seem to be a media cell spokesperson.

Maybe your just a colonial masters house slave...

 

[El Sidd]

Well i dont know about everyone but you seem to be a media cell spokesperson.

Maybe your just a colonial masters house slave..

that still does not warrant to legalize a cult

 

[Death Professor]

Umm no. It shouldn’t. We surly know what it refers to when they call themselves Ahmedi.

Why leave even a little bit of ambiguity. Why not use a word that's not disrespectful and clearly differentiates/distances us from them. A muslim might know but a non-muslim might not know the difference. And we all know they have huge community in non-muslim countries.

 

[El Sidd]

Why leave even a little bit of ambiguity. Why not use a word that's not disrespectful and clearly differentiates/distances us from them. A muslim might know but a non-muslim might not know the difference. And we all know they have huge community in non-muslim countries.

actually you can buy the book the real islam and make an opinion about it yourself.

its a cult. like if there was ever a case for classic dictionary usage. this would be it

 

[Blacklight]

that still does not warrant to legalize a cult

The whole point of this exercise is exactly this!

 

[Crusher]

Nopes, Ahmad is the one name reserved for Prophet (P.B.U.H). The proper term for their community is Qadiani, its not offensive, but calling them Ahmadi is offensive for me and many others like me. Alot of Pakistani make this mistake because they are simpletons but they don't really understand the gravity of how and they prefer to be called as such and why it is offensive to some of us.

So again, things are not as simple as they seem, everything is linked.

In fact it was his second name given to him by his mother Amna r.a., Muhammad (saw) was the name given to him by his grandfather Abdul Mutalib. So technically speaking both Muhammad and Ahmad were his "given" names. But due to patriarchal Arab society and early death of his mother in his childhood the name given by his grandfather persisted more than Ahmad, but still it was his second name.

 

[El Sidd]

The whole point of this exercise is exactly this!

i am pretty sure there is money involved in it and some lawmaking with accountability.

this is just a sideshow.

it's not even an issue considering 220 million and a 200 thousand villagers subjected to colonial oppression of protectionism following a religion from behind the city walls of qadiyan in India.

just like there is not issue with indian cities of bareilly or deoband.

 

[ali_raza]

Will you declare everyone terrorist who comes out against this law?

Diyyat economy without oil.

what a fail idea and you want to be dark destroyer. maybe you are just racist against darker skinned people

wht do u suggest?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The more you defend qadianis, the deeper the hole you are digging for this forum.

This forum is about Pakistan and many Ahmadis are also Pakistani.

The threat to Pakistan isn't from Ahmadis - Ahmadis haven't carried out suicide bombings in the TTP, JuA, LeJ ... they haven't been recruited by Iran to fight in terrorist proxy groups in other countries or engaged in violent sectarian conflicts at home.

Ahmadis are not the ones on our North West claiming Pakistani territory all the way to the Indus, or on our East with a million plus Army dreaming about the disintegration of Pakistan & Akhand Bharat.

This forum has and will do just fine. This isn't the first time I and others have defended Ahmadis. I've been defending them and criticizing Pakistan's laws against them since I joined this forum, and the forum has only gotten stronger and more popular.