Government could strip citizenship from Americans under Enemy Expatriation

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Tell me why you edited my post first.

Weird.

My browser was showing three duplicate post from you - deleted one, edited the other since it involved two replies being merged, and left the first as is to show your first reply, and now they are all gone!

 

[lem34]

I have sympathy with Chogy here. he clearly says with due legal process. The worry is that there wont be due legal process.

 

[RazPaK]

I am completely against this. America is becoming a police state. This is almost as bad as communism.

 

[Chogy]

OK, accidents happen. I thought I was being censored.

The definition of treason is in the books. It's been around since the USA was founded. I don't know specifics off the top of my head, but it's little different from most other countries.

Lindh was a traitor. McVeigh - borderline traitor, since his violence was political. Normal criminals and the like, generally NOT traitors.

 

[888jamie888]

I am completely against this. America is becoming a police state. This almost as bad as communism.

Surely you have nothing to fear as long as you do not attack the US.
Surely those that attack the US would not really care about being a citizen anyway?

 

[Chogy]

Aryan_B - thanks. I'd click the "thanks" link, but it's missing from your post #17.

I am completely against this. America is becoming a police state. This almost as bad as communism.

I think you're being hyperbolic here, a bit over the top. But I don't disagree with the root of your post. Individual liberties are precious. I am Libertarian in that regard. But the notion of stripping citizenship after due process from a person who is obviously a traitor? What's wrong with that?

So long as there are no abuses. Let's say a citizen of Pakistani descent harshly criticizes the current war and the administration. This is protected speech, and he should not be touched. No court in the USA would censor him. If that same man sets up camp in Yemen or Somalia and calls for men to attack U.S. interests, he's a traitor.

 

[illusion8]

Would effect muslims the most, would have been Russians if it had been the cold war period. Do agree with the law, America has every right to take away or deny citizenship to people the state deems as enemies.

 

[lem34]

I also think there is a bigger issue in America with the governing and the political process and making of laws. The amount of money that is now required to get elected. And where this funding is coming from. From my experience of the American people their movies etc I cant understand how their leaders are so blatantly representing not Americans but powerful lobbies. I wander if Americans were to have referendums on some of these issues whether these laws would be made

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I have sympathy with Chogy here. he clearly says with due legal process. The worry is that there wont be due legal process.

Oh I agree with you on Chogy's intentions and heart being in the right place, as I am sure will be the case with many 'non-Muslim' Americans, but that does not change the fact that Obama has, yet again, shown himself to be an individual lacking any principles or desire to 'do the right thing', if 'doing the right thing' threatens his political fortunes.

His signing statement, if accurately reported, offers no protection to those who might be targeted under this law, save during his presidency, and even then I don't believe him.

 

[RazPaK]

state deems as enemies.

The state has too much power in this regard, and this action will most likely be used with nefarious intentions.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Surely you have nothing to fear as long as you do not attack the US.
Surely those that attack the US would not really care about being a citizen anyway?

I think the criticizm is over the lack of due process ...

 

[lem34]

Surely you have nothing to fear as long as you do not attack the US.
Surely those that attack the US would not really care about being a citizen anyway?

I remember reading somewhere that there was in excess of 4000 innocent people in UK prisons. This can be for varying reasons eg low IQ. Not understanding the system etc. In America its probably more. Thats why i am normally against punishments like the death penalty which are impossible to reverse.

How Many More Are Innocent? - Reason Magazine

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

A few forum members may have to start packing their bags.

i dont think people criticising US policies will be affected by this but those who live in the US as citizens but those who show glee at their troops being murdered or wish for the country to be nuked will be affected and rightly so.

 

[illusion8]

The state has too much power in this regard, and this action will most likely be used with nefarious intentions.

Even if it does I don't know how will it be detrimental to the state, if accused by some degree of proof it becomes the prerogative of the individual to prove his innocence. The state has the right to send back anybody whom they think is a danger, or is acting against it. In fact the law needs to be strengthened so no loopholes are left.

 

[lem34]

Oh I agree with you on Chogy's intentions and heart being in the right place, as I am sure will be the case with many 'non-Muslim' Americans, but that does not change the fact that Obama has, yet again, shown himself to be an individual lacking any principles or desire to 'do the right thing', if 'doing the right thing' threatens his political fortunes.

His signing statement, if accurately reported, offers no protection to those who might be targeted under this law, save during his presidency, and even then I don't believe him.

I wonder if he gets elected again he will be different ie it will be his last term and he wont have the pressure of lobbies. But on the whole so far he appears to have no principals and has changed and somersaulted and changed his position on a number of issues