Google vs China thread

[stax]

People that do not live under authoritarian rule. (Which really is what China still lives under) place great value on freedom of speech. This will always come into conflict with with the ideals of the communist ideology. Google was naive to think The Chinese communist party would ever let them become dominant in China. Or not to try and use them as a tool to spy on academics and human rights people. I would be interested to know as well how many of the Chinese posters were or still are members of the young pioneers or communist youth league. Or for that matter current members of the Chinese communist party.

Could you tell me why Google help Indian police to arrest congress worker?
What a hypocritical company! Google!
Please read the following link:
India: Google assists police in Orkut user's arrest

With the arrest of Orkut user Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid last weekend, Google has joined Yahoo! on the list of multinational American internet companies that have enabled foreign law enforcement authorities to prosecute netizens in their countries; in this case, the 22 year-old Indian IT worker has been charged under two sections of the Indian Penal Code for posting obscene content online, comments made about political leader Sonia Gandhi, and now faces up to five years in prison.

 

[xuxu1457]

People that do not live under authoritarian rule. (Which really is what China still lives under) place great value on freedom of speech. This will always come into conflict with with the ideals of the communist ideology. Google was naive to think The Chinese communist party would ever let them become dominant in China. Or not to try and use them as a tool to spy on academics and human rights people. I would be interested to know as well how many of the Chinese posters were or still are members of the young pioneers or communist youth league. Or for that matter current members of the Chinese communist party.

Sounded like you are living in China and under control,you get info from such NYtimes,the writers also aways stay in bureax and guess the things happened in China

 

[grey boy 2]

Sounded like you are living in China and under control,you get info from such NYtimes,the writers also aways stay in bureax and guess the things happened in China

Brother, sometimes you need to think outside the bun, like who is

actually behind certain flag.

Personally, he surely sounds like a member of KKK.

 

[gambit]

China News: Baidu’s Internal Monitoring and Censorship Document Leaked (1) (Updated) | China Digital Times (CDT)

The latest hot item circulating in the Chinese blogosphere is a compressed folder leaked from a Baidu employee. It contains a set of working documents from Baidu’s internal monitoring and censorship department, with details including staff names, their performance records, company contact lists, censorship guidelines, operating instructions, and specific lists of topics and words to be censored and blocked, guidelines of how to search information which needs to be banned, the backend URL, and other internal company information from November 2008 through March 2009.

Baidu, China’s leading search engine company, has a long history of being the most proactive and restrictive online censor in the search arena. These newly available materials reveal and confirm how censors at the search engines distort and manipulate the search experiences of Chinese netizens.

So Robin Li learned and perfected his skills in the US, returned to China, created Baidu, got into bed with the PRC government -- whatever the PRC government said, Robin Li bend over and grab his ankles and it is good. But one has to strain credulity and imagination to link Google with the CIA and this link is bad.

 

[gambit]

Brother, sometimes you need to think outside the bun, like who is

actually behind certain flag.

Personally, he surely sounds like a member of KKK.

To think outside the bun one would have to be outside of China.

 

[grey boy 2]

China News: Baidu’s Internal Monitoring and Censorship Document Leaked (1) (Updated) | China Digital Times (CDT)

So Robin Li learned and perfected his skills in the US, returned to China, created Baidu, got into bed with the PRC government -- whatever the PRC government said, Robin Li bend over and grab his ankles and it is good. But one has to strain credulity and imagination to link Google with the CIA and this link is bad.

Bravo, mr. elder, desperation ? running out of bullets for your China

bashing, using a Chinese internet blogger's page with the so called

secret Baidu leaking as your source ?

I thought you said you will never read anything from Chinese source,

Shame on you for your hypocrisy.

P.S. Can you read Chinese, if not, please stop using a source

you don't fully understood.

 

[ssheppard]

Could you tell me why Google help Indian police to arrest congress worker?
What a hypocritical company! Google!
Please read the following link:
India: Google assists police in Orkut user's arrest

Forced Censorship and will-fully assisting a Police to arrest a cyber criminal are two different things.

Logically ...China Authorities should help Google by arresting the hackers....who hacked their corporate business website.

 

[gambit]

Bravo, mr. elder, desperation ? running out of bullets for your China

bashing, using a Chinese internet blogger's page with the so called

secret Baidu leaking as your source ?

I thought you said you will never read anything from Chinese source,

Shame on you for your hypocrisy.

P.S. Can you read Chinese, if not, please stop using a source

you don't fully understood.

I am asking on why is Baidu's relationship with the PRC government is a 'good' while the Google-CIA strain-the-imagination link is implied as 'evil'.

 

[grey boy 2]

Jo Glanville: Internet censorship has been a lucrative enterprise for software manufacturers | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

What a joke ? those so-called freedom protectors were the biggest

contributors of "Censorship"= biggest hyprocrite on earth.

The internet has been a revolution for censorship as much as for free speech – something that the great libertarian godfathers of the net did not bargain for.

It is a revolution not just in terms of technology, but in terms of who does the censoring. It's no longer just the big boys – the media magnates, the state, corporations; there are a whole host of middlemen who now play a part in deciding what we can and cannot read. Most important of all, much of what they do is not transparent and there is even a level of secrecy that is protected by law.

One of the most popular filtering software programmes is SmartFilter, owned by Secure Computing in California, a company that's just been bought by McAffee for $465m (£311m). SmartFilter has been used by some of the world's most authoritarian regimes: Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Sudan, as well as in the US and the UK.

The list of sites that are blocked by the software is so secret that not even the countries that use the technology know what is actually being censored. These lists are the intellectual property of the software companies and are protected by copyright.

We know as much as we do because of the great research of organisations such as the OpenNet Initiative and because of the brave detective work done by researchers such as Seth Finkelstein and Ben Edelman. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Actin the US, no one can legitimately examine the lists of blocked sites or ask for a review.

Censorship, for the first time in its history, is now a commercial enterprise, and, as the writer Xeni Jardin has observed, a successful American export – clearly more popular than democracy.

Last month, Yahoo, Google and Microsoft signed up to a code of conduct (the Global Network Initiative) that will require them to pay special regard to free expression and privacy as part of their business practice. It has taken 18 months and some very tough negotiation to hammer out the agreement, led by Leslie Harris at the Centre for Democracy and Technology and Dunstan Hope at Business for Social Responsibility. The plan now is to bring others into the fold, including European telecoms.

Cisco Systems, another American company, is a prime candidate – it was invited to the initial discussions but didn't take part. Cisco sells networking technology to China and has been described as "the internet's plumber".

Along with Yahoo and Google, it has been hauled before House and Senate subcommittees to explain its conduct. Cisco has always somewhat disingenuously argued in its defence that it sells the same products to China as it does to the rest of the world – and that the customers decide how the technology is used. That is not an argument that is likely to satisfy Cisco's critics: last Thursday, some of the company's own shareholders attempted to get Cisco to establish a human rights board and to disclose what kind of actions it is taking to ensure its business practices are not violating human rights.

Harrington Investments, which proposed that Cisco establish a human rights board, is actually dismissive of a voluntary code of conduct making any kind of impact. Its chief executive, John Harrington, called it "meaningless noise" and wants to see bylaws introduced that will force boards of directors to accept human rights responsibilities.

What is important is to continue the dialogue with companies that do business with repressive regimes. As a collective enterprise, the Global Network Initiative may offer a unique way forward – particularly if the membership expands and when Cisco decides that it has no choice but to sign up.

 

[xuxu1457]

I am asking on why is Baidu's relationship with the PRC government is a 'good' while the Google-CIA strain-the-imagination link is implied as 'evil'.

Baidu has no relationship with the PRC government,the suppose is wrong .

 

[gambit]

Baidu has no relationship with the PRC government,the suppose is wrong .

Really...?

Interview: Robin Li, founder of Baidu.com | Technology | The Guardian

Critics say these are minor adjustments to a design and business model that is largely a copy of Google. The reason for Baidu's success, they argue, is that it collaborates with the communist authorities on censoring sensitive political information more than its rivals do and is less stringent in blocking access to sites that offer pirate film and music downloads. Look for the name of dissident writer Lu Xiaobo or references to the Tiananmen Square massacre on Baidu and no information appears. But search for Radiohead or Britney Spears and Baidu offers a specific MP3 channel that directs you towards pirate downloads of every song the band and singer have ever made. The record company EMI successfully sued Baidu in Beijing this week over this MP3 service - which accounts for 20% of Baidu's traffic - but Li said his company would appeal.

"You have to understand we are a search engine. We do not host any content. We just point people to information that is publicly available. So we are not infringing any copyrights." He says Baidu blocks sites that are proved to contain pirated information, but he is unwilling to comply with record companies' requests that even queries be taken out of the directory. "We list 1 billion pages, we cannot go through every one and find out if it is pirated," he says.

However, it appears to be easier for Baidu, as well as its rivals Google and Yahoo!, to block references to sensitive political information. "As a locally operated company we need to obey the Chinese law. If the law determines that certain information is illegal, we need to remove it from our index," Li says.

In this respect, Baidu is very much a mirror of modern China: passive pirated entertainment is encouraged, politically sensitive information and criticism are heavily restricted. But Li says this is as much about demographics as politics.

Can you provide a source that can cite Li himself that DOES NOT cooperate with the PRC government?

Again...The question here is that why is this relationship deemed a 'good' while the ridiculously tenuous link between the CIA and Google deemed 'bad'.

 

[stax]

Forced Censorship and will-fully assisting a Police to arrest a cyber criminal are two different things.

Logically ...China Authorities should help Google by arresting the hackers....who hacked their corporate business website.

Google is being attacked by hackers all over the world every day, do you mean all countries should work for google to capture hackers?
Chinese television satellite was hacked by a group in US, US government never help China to arrest them, insteadly give them hack tech!
US military hacked Chinese Beidou navigation system, so should US help China to arrest the experts in US military?

 

[xuxu1457]

Really...?

Interview: Robin Li, founder of Baidu.com | Technology | The Guardian

Can you provide a source that can cite Li himself that DOES NOT cooperate with the PRC government?

Again...The question here is that why is this relationship deemed a 'good' while the ridiculously tenuous link between the CIA and Google deemed 'bad'.

you don't know things happenned in China,I live in China,here are many search engines,only the best can survive,as baidu, google ,yahoo ,qihu ,sougou ,sousou ,gougou ,youdao ,kuxun ,aiwen,soushi,biying,and so on,the competition is very sharp

 

[Roby]

Typical petty hateful attitudes these people have will not garner them any sympathy or support. Besides China who else stood up for them in their cries of being attacked in Australia? When the GOI is composed of criminals, mafias, dons and the judicial and police system is corrupt to the core, what is the consequence of this?

Are there any other nations or people that befriends these fanatical Hindus? What will happen with Bharat back-stabs all her neighbors, and cheats the foreigners? When their hypocracy becomes known to every man, woman and child on the planet, who will listen to their empty cries?

India turned its back on the Palestinians. India turned its back on Iran. India betrayed Myanmar and BOTH Koreas. Akhand Bharat plays a double-faced game with Russia and USA, and insults their intelligence. Do you think any nation will trust their technology and secrets with India? From rich to poor nation, cheating them while make false reassurances. Akhand Bharat looks down on the Africans and Arabs and South Americans, with an air of arrogance.

The people of India are in despair, but who is to blame?

WTF why you are dragging India here...why posting total off-topic posts ,check the name of the thread

For god sake stop trolling

 

[lockh33d]

WTF why you are dragging India here...why posting total off-topic posts ,check the name of the thread

For god sake stop trolling

What a hypocrite, why don't you re-post what you just said in countless other sub-forums. Ask yourself why USA was brought up in a topic regarding Pakistan, why China was brought up when someone bad mouthed India, and so on and so forth.