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China says ways to resolve Google issue, US cautious
BEIJING: China sought on Friday to play down a threat by Google Inc to quit the country on hacking and censorship concerns, saying any decision by Significant China related cyber events the Internet search giant would not affect U.S. trade ties.
The United States said it was too soon to tell how economic ties would be affected, but added free information flow was crucial to China's maturing economy.
A spokesman for China's Commerce Ministry said there were many ways to resolve the Google issue, but repeated that all foreign companies, Google included, must abide by Chinese laws.
"Any decision made by Google will not affect Sino-U.S. trade and economic relations, as the two sides have many ways to communicate and negotiate with each other," spokesman Yao Jian told a regular news briefing in Beijing.
"We are confident about developing healthy trade and economic ties with the United States."
The issue risks becoming another irritant in China's relationship with the United States, already strained by arguments over the Chinese currency's exchange rate, trade protectionism and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.
The United States has backed Google's decision to no longer support China's censoring of Internet searches, and has raised the issue at a diplomatic level.
"It seems to me that the principles that Google is trying to uphold are not just important in a moral or rights framework, but are also of very considerable economic importance," senior White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers said.
"I think it's too early to assess what all of the effects will be," he added when asked if the dispute would mark a turning point in the U.S. economic relationship with China.
Washington has long been worried about Beijing's cyber-spying programme. A congressional advisory panel said in November that the Chinese government appeared increasingly to be penetrating U.S. computers to gather useful data for its military.
Playing down the concerns raised by Google, rival Microsoft Corp said it had no plan to pull out of China.
"I don't understand how that helps anything. I don't understand how that helps us, and I don't understand how that helps China," said Steve Ballmer, CEO of the world's largest software maker.
Microsoft has high hopes for its Bing Internet search engine in China, which has only a small share of the market but could benefit if Google, the No. 2 player behind dominating local rival Baidu Inc, pulls out.
China's population of Web users grew to 384 million by the end of 2009, a jump of nearly one-third in one year, an official report showed on Friday, underscoring the growing scope and business allure of the country's Internet
Source : China says ways to resolve Google issue, US cautious- Internet-Infotech-The Economic Times
BEIJING: China sought on Friday to play down a threat by Google Inc to quit the country on hacking and censorship concerns, saying any decision by Significant China related cyber events the Internet search giant would not affect U.S. trade ties.
The United States said it was too soon to tell how economic ties would be affected, but added free information flow was crucial to China's maturing economy.
A spokesman for China's Commerce Ministry said there were many ways to resolve the Google issue, but repeated that all foreign companies, Google included, must abide by Chinese laws.
"Any decision made by Google will not affect Sino-U.S. trade and economic relations, as the two sides have many ways to communicate and negotiate with each other," spokesman Yao Jian told a regular news briefing in Beijing.
"We are confident about developing healthy trade and economic ties with the United States."
The issue risks becoming another irritant in China's relationship with the United States, already strained by arguments over the Chinese currency's exchange rate, trade protectionism and U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.
The United States has backed Google's decision to no longer support China's censoring of Internet searches, and has raised the issue at a diplomatic level.
"It seems to me that the principles that Google is trying to uphold are not just important in a moral or rights framework, but are also of very considerable economic importance," senior White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers said.
"I think it's too early to assess what all of the effects will be," he added when asked if the dispute would mark a turning point in the U.S. economic relationship with China.
Washington has long been worried about Beijing's cyber-spying programme. A congressional advisory panel said in November that the Chinese government appeared increasingly to be penetrating U.S. computers to gather useful data for its military.
Playing down the concerns raised by Google, rival Microsoft Corp said it had no plan to pull out of China.
"I don't understand how that helps anything. I don't understand how that helps us, and I don't understand how that helps China," said Steve Ballmer, CEO of the world's largest software maker.
Microsoft has high hopes for its Bing Internet search engine in China, which has only a small share of the market but could benefit if Google, the No. 2 player behind dominating local rival Baidu Inc, pulls out.
China's population of Web users grew to 384 million by the end of 2009, a jump of nearly one-third in one year, an official report showed on Friday, underscoring the growing scope and business allure of the country's Internet
Source : China says ways to resolve Google issue, US cautious- Internet-Infotech-The Economic Times
Microsoft's Ballmer: We're staying in China
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said his company intends to stay in business inside of China and obey the laws of that country, following Google's announcement that it is considering going home.
We've been quite clear that we are going to operate in China, (and) we're going to abide by the law," Ballmer told CNBC following a meeting at the White House with President Obama on ways the government can use technology to cut costs. "Cyberattacks are an unfortunate way of life," he said.
Google's declaration that it might exit the Chinese market unless it's allowed to offer an uncensored search engine has rocked the technology and business world this week, putting pressure on its rivals to explain their position toward China. Google's actions came after it revealed that it was the target of a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google."
Microsoft had previously said that its e-mail system had not been breached, but had declined to comment on the broader question of its future in China.
Ballmer declined to directly address reports that a new unpatched vulnerability in Internet Explorer was partially to blame for the attacks on Google and other companies.
"If the issue is with us, we'll work through it with all the important parties. We have a whole team of people that responds very real-time to any report that it has something to do with our software, which we don't know yet."
Microsoft's Ballmer: We're staying in China | Relevant Results - CNET News
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said his company intends to stay in business inside of China and obey the laws of that country, following Google's announcement that it is considering going home.
We've been quite clear that we are going to operate in China, (and) we're going to abide by the law," Ballmer told CNBC following a meeting at the White House with President Obama on ways the government can use technology to cut costs. "Cyberattacks are an unfortunate way of life," he said.
Google's declaration that it might exit the Chinese market unless it's allowed to offer an uncensored search engine has rocked the technology and business world this week, putting pressure on its rivals to explain their position toward China. Google's actions came after it revealed that it was the target of a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google."
Microsoft had previously said that its e-mail system had not been breached, but had declined to comment on the broader question of its future in China.
Ballmer declined to directly address reports that a new unpatched vulnerability in Internet Explorer was partially to blame for the attacks on Google and other companies.
"If the issue is with us, we'll work through it with all the important parties. We have a whole team of people that responds very real-time to any report that it has something to do with our software, which we don't know yet."
Microsoft's Ballmer: We're staying in China | Relevant Results - CNET News
Levi's Faced Earlier Challenge in China
By JAMES T. AREDDY
SHANGHAIGoogle Inc.'s challenge to Beijing is not a first: Levi Strauss & Co. 17 years ago walked away from China.
Today, Levi's brand jeans are produced in China, and in Beijing last November the company opened its 501st store in the country.
What happened in between?
In 1993, the iconic San Francisco maker of dungarees declared it would end relationships with contractors in China because of what it called that country's "pervasive violation of human rights."
At the time, multinational corporations were pouring into developing countries, looking for cheap labor. Not far behind were human-rights activists, confident that Western companies were a vehicle for social change: Campus demonstrations demanding big U.S. companies sever ties to South Africa had just helped dismantle that nation's apartheid policies.
Two decades ago, as now, China was attractive for its fast growth, cheap work force and huge population. But in China, activists had leverage: disgust at the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. Few foreign companies were making money in China in those days and fewer still were ready to shout down activists wielding evidence of dangerous working conditions, prison labor and other workplace abuses.
Family-controlled Levi's had branded itself a company with a conscience. Robert Haas, its chairman and chief executive at the time, ordered a review of human rights in 40 countries, which determined that only China and Myanmar had rights violations so troublesome that pulling out made the most sense.
"They were at the forefront of all the compliance issues," said an American executive in the textile business who at the time worked with Li & Fung Ltd., a Hong Kong trading firm.
Everyone in the industry was aware, he said, that the U.S. company's strategies helped make it "a big deal" in the rag trade to consider a factory's lighting, ventilation, toilets and cafeteria on par with prices and production quality.
Parallels between Levi's and Google are strong. Each is defending a brand steeped in American values. Also, Levi's was small in China, buying only $50 million of trousers and shirts, while Google is the runner up in Internet searches in China after Baidu Inc. Each of the U.S. companies was plugging China into pre-existing global networksLevi's with its supply chain and Google via the World Wide Web. Their actions sparked political storms.
In the spring of 1993, Levi's announcement hit a Washington embroiled in its annual debate on the renewal of Most Favored Nation trading status, a wrenching review that linked Beijing's record on human rights to U.S. tariff policies. President Bill Clinton, who campaigned talking of the "Butchers of Beijing," found himself playing down human rights to promote China's trading status.
"If you look at the Levi Strauss and Google situations ,it's important to see there are similarities but there are differences," said Sharon Hom, a spokeswoman for the group Human Rights In China. "The impact is much bigger today because it is making it into a public debate in China. Not everyone needs a pair of jeans but everyone needs information."
Mr. Haas, who led Levi's pullback from China, defended the company's human-rights positions. In a speech quoted in the book "Levi's Children: Coming to Terms with Human Rights in the Global Marketplace," Mr. Haas said "decisions which emphasize cost to the exclusion of all other factors don't serve the company and its shareholders' long term interests."
China's reaction to Levi's move, the book stated, was to argue human rights had nothing to do with it. A foreign ministry spokesman boasted, "There are tens of thousands of foreign companies in China."
How much difference Levi's stand made to factory conditions in China is hard to quantify; the company itself was comfortable enough to return in 2008.
"Conditions in many multinational-affiliated factories have improved because the focus has been put on them," said Geoffrey Crothall, editor of China Labor Bulletin in Hong Kong. "But conditions in Chinese factories as a whole haven't."
From the beginning, Levi's said it hoped one day to return to China. When it announced plans to do so five years after its pullout, it drew fierce criticism from the human-rights community. "At no time did we believe or did we intend to influence the human-rights practices across China,"
a Levi's spokesman said at the time. "All we can do is try to improve the conditions in factories that work on our behalf."
Today, the Levi's name appears across urban China. On Shanghai's main shopping street, Levi's shops stand blocks from each other and dozens of flags with the company name flutter from the avenue's lampposts. Levi's advertises on televisions in the city's taxis and has its name plastered onto the sides of city buses.
Levi Strauss's History in China of Exit, Re-Entry - WSJ.com
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For businessmen/capitalists, profit is the first and foremost important. Everything else will be considered, but in secondary position.
Levi left China because it had been hard to make profit then. It returns to China, because it can make profit. Simple like that.
Only politicians/lawyers always try to make simple things complex, for their own profit, businessmen/capitalists/technicians always try to make complex things simple.
By JAMES T. AREDDY
SHANGHAIGoogle Inc.'s challenge to Beijing is not a first: Levi Strauss & Co. 17 years ago walked away from China.
Today, Levi's brand jeans are produced in China, and in Beijing last November the company opened its 501st store in the country.
What happened in between?
In 1993, the iconic San Francisco maker of dungarees declared it would end relationships with contractors in China because of what it called that country's "pervasive violation of human rights."
At the time, multinational corporations were pouring into developing countries, looking for cheap labor. Not far behind were human-rights activists, confident that Western companies were a vehicle for social change: Campus demonstrations demanding big U.S. companies sever ties to South Africa had just helped dismantle that nation's apartheid policies.
Two decades ago, as now, China was attractive for its fast growth, cheap work force and huge population. But in China, activists had leverage: disgust at the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. Few foreign companies were making money in China in those days and fewer still were ready to shout down activists wielding evidence of dangerous working conditions, prison labor and other workplace abuses.
Family-controlled Levi's had branded itself a company with a conscience. Robert Haas, its chairman and chief executive at the time, ordered a review of human rights in 40 countries, which determined that only China and Myanmar had rights violations so troublesome that pulling out made the most sense.
"They were at the forefront of all the compliance issues," said an American executive in the textile business who at the time worked with Li & Fung Ltd., a Hong Kong trading firm.
Everyone in the industry was aware, he said, that the U.S. company's strategies helped make it "a big deal" in the rag trade to consider a factory's lighting, ventilation, toilets and cafeteria on par with prices and production quality.
Parallels between Levi's and Google are strong. Each is defending a brand steeped in American values. Also, Levi's was small in China, buying only $50 million of trousers and shirts, while Google is the runner up in Internet searches in China after Baidu Inc. Each of the U.S. companies was plugging China into pre-existing global networksLevi's with its supply chain and Google via the World Wide Web. Their actions sparked political storms.
In the spring of 1993, Levi's announcement hit a Washington embroiled in its annual debate on the renewal of Most Favored Nation trading status, a wrenching review that linked Beijing's record on human rights to U.S. tariff policies. President Bill Clinton, who campaigned talking of the "Butchers of Beijing," found himself playing down human rights to promote China's trading status.
"If you look at the Levi Strauss and Google situations ,it's important to see there are similarities but there are differences," said Sharon Hom, a spokeswoman for the group Human Rights In China. "The impact is much bigger today because it is making it into a public debate in China. Not everyone needs a pair of jeans but everyone needs information."
Mr. Haas, who led Levi's pullback from China, defended the company's human-rights positions. In a speech quoted in the book "Levi's Children: Coming to Terms with Human Rights in the Global Marketplace," Mr. Haas said "decisions which emphasize cost to the exclusion of all other factors don't serve the company and its shareholders' long term interests."
China's reaction to Levi's move, the book stated, was to argue human rights had nothing to do with it. A foreign ministry spokesman boasted, "There are tens of thousands of foreign companies in China."
How much difference Levi's stand made to factory conditions in China is hard to quantify; the company itself was comfortable enough to return in 2008.
"Conditions in many multinational-affiliated factories have improved because the focus has been put on them," said Geoffrey Crothall, editor of China Labor Bulletin in Hong Kong. "But conditions in Chinese factories as a whole haven't."
From the beginning, Levi's said it hoped one day to return to China. When it announced plans to do so five years after its pullout, it drew fierce criticism from the human-rights community. "At no time did we believe or did we intend to influence the human-rights practices across China,"
a Levi's spokesman said at the time. "All we can do is try to improve the conditions in factories that work on our behalf."Today, the Levi's name appears across urban China. On Shanghai's main shopping street, Levi's shops stand blocks from each other and dozens of flags with the company name flutter from the avenue's lampposts. Levi's advertises on televisions in the city's taxis and has its name plastered onto the sides of city buses.
Levi Strauss's History in China of Exit, Re-Entry - WSJ.com
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For businessmen/capitalists, profit is the first and foremost important. Everything else will be considered, but in secondary position.
Levi left China because it had been hard to make profit then. It returns to China, because it can make profit. Simple like that.
Only politicians/lawyers always try to make simple things complex, for their own profit, businessmen/capitalists/technicians always try to make complex things simple.
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Microsoft, HP fail to back Google's China move: FT - People's Daily Online Jan 15 2010
Google's threat to withdraw from China failed to win support from other top industry executives who said that their enthusiasm for the country was undimmed.
Google announced on Tuesday that it would no longer filter search results in China and said it may be forced to pull out of the world's largest online market of 360 million users.
However, Steve Ballmer, chief executive officer of Microsoft, described the affair as "the Google problem" and said: "Every large institution is being hacked. I don't think it's a fundamental change in the security environment on the internet."
He refused to comment on whether Microsoft would now stop censoring results on its Bing search service in China, but said that the software company saw a big business opportunity in China.
Mark Hurd, CEO of Hewlett-Packard, described China as "an amazing market with tremendous growth". Strong demand from Chinese customers was one of the main supports for the US tech industry last year.
Both executives also played down any wider threat to internet security from what Google had described as a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" that had been aimed at more than 20 other companies. "I'd hate to run off on this one example and say it's a threat to the evolution of the IT industry," Mr Hurd said.
China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Thursday that China's Internet is open and welcomes international companies.
Source: China Daily
Google's threat to withdraw from China failed to win support from other top industry executives who said that their enthusiasm for the country was undimmed.
Google announced on Tuesday that it would no longer filter search results in China and said it may be forced to pull out of the world's largest online market of 360 million users.
However, Steve Ballmer, chief executive officer of Microsoft, described the affair as "the Google problem" and said: "Every large institution is being hacked. I don't think it's a fundamental change in the security environment on the internet."
He refused to comment on whether Microsoft would now stop censoring results on its Bing search service in China, but said that the software company saw a big business opportunity in China.
Mark Hurd, CEO of Hewlett-Packard, described China as "an amazing market with tremendous growth". Strong demand from Chinese customers was one of the main supports for the US tech industry last year.
Both executives also played down any wider threat to internet security from what Google had described as a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" that had been aimed at more than 20 other companies. "I'd hate to run off on this one example and say it's a threat to the evolution of the IT industry," Mr Hurd said.
China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Thursday that China's Internet is open and welcomes international companies.
Source: China Daily
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^^^ so india is outsource destination? what ur point? that says nothing about availability of people for it jobs. china does little outsourcing in this, it has its own massive market which is larger than indias
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Google agrees to remove site promoting racist views of indigenous Australians - People's Daily Online Jan 15 2010
Google has agreed to take down links to a website that promotes racist views of indigenous Australians.
Aboriginal man Steve Hodder-Watt recently discovered the U.S.-based site by searching "Aboriginal and Encyclopedia" in the search engine.
He tried to modify the entry on Encyclopedia Dramatica, a satirical and extremely racist version of Wikipedia, but was blocked from doing so.
Hodder-Watt then undertook legal action, that resulted in Google acknowledging its legal responsibility to remove the offensive site.
His lawyer, George Newhouse, says the site is "one of the most offensive sorts of racial vilification you could possibly find".
"It portrays indigenous Australians in the most unsavoury light possible, and you wouldn't want a child stumbling across it," he told Australian Broadcasting Company on Friday.
Newhouse says Google agreed to take the link down after he filed an official complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission. They agreed Thursday night to take down the sites, he said.
Source:Xinhua
Google has agreed to take down links to a website that promotes racist views of indigenous Australians.
Aboriginal man Steve Hodder-Watt recently discovered the U.S.-based site by searching "Aboriginal and Encyclopedia" in the search engine.
He tried to modify the entry on Encyclopedia Dramatica, a satirical and extremely racist version of Wikipedia, but was blocked from doing so.
Hodder-Watt then undertook legal action, that resulted in Google acknowledging its legal responsibility to remove the offensive site.
His lawyer, George Newhouse, says the site is "one of the most offensive sorts of racial vilification you could possibly find".
"It portrays indigenous Australians in the most unsavoury light possible, and you wouldn't want a child stumbling across it," he told Australian Broadcasting Company on Friday.
Newhouse says Google agreed to take the link down after he filed an official complaint to the Australian Human Rights Commission. They agreed Thursday night to take down the sites, he said.
Source:Xinhua
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some very simple things, google (i used it often) does not have the power nor wealth to demand the chinese government to do anything, by announcing they could pull out publicly its basically over for them in china, the CCP will never bow to such external pressure when it has very little to lose in keeping the censors. though google maket right now is small in china a few million profit a year vs billions globally, this incident will make it extremely hard should they would to go back to china in the future.
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Google Sets Censorship Precedent In India
"Censorship varies from country to country but India, home to a sixth of the world's population, appears to be shaping up much like China. Not far behind everyone else, Google has increasingly censored websites with an incident where a very popular politician died and Google forcibly deleted and dissolved a group on Orkut where offensive comments about the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh were posted. An official from India's Ministry of Communications and Information Technology said, 'If you are doing business here, you should follow the local law, the sentiments of the people, the culture of the country. If somebody starts abusing Lord Rama on a Web site, that could start riots.' The lengthy opinion piece calls attention to the beginnings of a definitive lack of free speech online for Indian citizens. A spokeswoman for the 'Do No Evil' company explained, 'India does value free speech and political speech. But they are weighing the harm of free speech against violence in their streets.'"
http://www.5ty.org/n1566837-google-sets-censorship-precedent-in-india.cfm
"Censorship varies from country to country but India, home to a sixth of the world's population, appears to be shaping up much like China. Not far behind everyone else, Google has increasingly censored websites with an incident where a very popular politician died and Google forcibly deleted and dissolved a group on Orkut where offensive comments about the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh were posted. An official from India's Ministry of Communications and Information Technology said, 'If you are doing business here, you should follow the local law, the sentiments of the people, the culture of the country. If somebody starts abusing Lord Rama on a Web site, that could start riots.' The lengthy opinion piece calls attention to the beginnings of a definitive lack of free speech online for Indian citizens. A spokeswoman for the 'Do No Evil' company explained, 'India does value free speech and political speech. But they are weighing the harm of free speech against violence in their streets.'"
http://www.5ty.org/n1566837-google-sets-censorship-precedent-in-india.cfm
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What's even worse is this zionist tactic at racist demonization of Chinese offends all Asians not just Chinese. Same thing with that loser Steven Spielberg who attempted and failed. Just like we have Zhang Yimou and a billion others who can rise up to fill his shoes, we have Baidu and a billion other budding entrepreneurs who can rise up to the challenge.
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US to protest formally to China over Google 'attacks'
lol at Steve ballmer....doh! ..The Chinese afterall used a critical flaw in IE to hack google!!
lol at Steve ballmer....doh! ..The Chinese afterall used a critical flaw in IE to hack google!!
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