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2016-10-19 18:54:21 8 ℃

According to the India defenseworld website reported on September 19th, a new generation of the Pakistan air force JF-17B two fierce dragon fighter, will have advanced data link and electronic warfare capabilities, will be equipped with a variety of new precision guided weapons

In September 15th, the ninth session of the African aerospace and Defence Exhibition, China aero technology import and Export Corporation revealed to the media: the two seater version of "fierce dragon fighter is in accordance with the plan of development and production, the first flight is expected to be completed at the end of this year.

According to CATIC information provided by the two seater version of "thunder" not only has the high subsonic speed in low altitude maneuvering combat capability and supersonic flight ability, also has a larger range, loiter time and combat radius. At the same time, this aircraft has STOL capability and strong weapon loading capacity.

The Pakistan air force JF-17 fierce dragon fighter, by the Pakistan air force burden of 50% investment, Chinese aviation technology import and Export Corporation (CNAC) and Chengdu aircraft industry group company jointly invested 50%.

July 2004 FC-1 aircraft project was officially named, China called FC-1\/ fierce dragon fighter, Pakistan is known as JF-17 ("fighter") \/ "lightning" fighter.

Is unknown, the Russian MIG design bureau also plans to join FC-1, MIG will have to cancel the MIG -33 fighter technology, to provide reference in china. At the same time, selected by the Klimov RD-93 turbofan engine developed by Russia (improved RD-33 type engine MIG -29 fighters of the equipment) as a power system FC-1.

JF-17 KLJ-7 X Chinese Pakistan is equipped with 14 kinds of band radar, air-to-air and air to ground mode, in TWS mode, can track 10 targets, and 2 of them at the same time the target to attack, to 5 square meters in size, as the distance of 105 km, 85 km away from the next line of sight.
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JF-17 fierce dragon fighter:

Equipment:China X KLJ-7 band radar

Engine:1 Russian RD-93 turbofan engine

A plane captain:14.30 meters (single version) 14.50 meters (two seater version)

Machine height:4.90 meters

Ceiling:16500 meters

Max Maher number:1.6 Maher

Maximum range:2500 km

Weapon point:7

Maximum load:3.8 tons

Airborne weapon:Equipped with a 23-3 type dual 23 mm cannon, 220 rounds of ammunition.

Chinese SD-10 active radar guided medium range air-to-air missile, R-27ER1 medium range air to air missile, PL-9 infrared short range air-to-air missile, the Sidewinder air-to-air missile series. If you add a laser designator pod, can launch Chinese Shi Lei (LS) series and the JDAM series of precision guided bomb.
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The Pakistan Air Force plans to purchase 150 aircraft JF-17 fierce dragon fighter, the first batch of Block 1 production of 50 aircraft. The first 8 aircraft to fly by the fierce dragon production, following 42 by Chinese production parts, assembled by Pakistan in china.

Starting from the Block JF-17 2 type, the machine is mainly produced by the Pakistan aviation production association (PAC). Block 2 upgrade avionics system, equipped with a new type of data link, and the installation of air refueling equipment. It is speculated that Block 3 will also change phased array radar, helmet mounted display and a new engine.

As everyone knows, India and Pakistan is one of the enemy armies feel irreconcilable hatred, there were countless times of armed conflict in the past few decades. The Pakistan Air Force Procurement of 150 JF-17 "Xiaolong" move to consistently maintain the dual advantages of Pakistani air quantity and quality of the India air force, has brought very heavy pressure.

The government of India has decided to purchase 120 domestic LCA "brilliant" fighter jets in order to combat the increasing combat effectiveness of the Pakistan air force. And the India air force on the government procurement of LCA fighter's decision, but how also happy not up. They are more willing to buy advanced fighters in western countries, instead of wasting money on tejas this "not help fools" on the body.

At the beginning of 1980s, Pakistan gained the advanced F-16A\/B fighter from the United States. India vowed to develop a new combat aircraft, in the performance of the full beyond F-16.

1983, India LCA light combat aircraft project was officially launched. Due to the limitation of national strength and the level of aviation science and technology, the development of research and development is slow. In order to accelerate the progress of research and development, India's military had to abandon the original intention of all domestic equipment, LCA fighters, including the engine and fire control radar, including the introduction of key components from abroad.

Even so, the India LCA fighter dogged by bad luck in 2013 before the formal armed forces, a fighter for more than thirty years from the project to the armed forces, which are unique in the world in the air force.


LCA aircraft with no horizontal tail and large delta wing design is similar to the mirage 2000, has a high mobility and excellent STOL capabilities. From the front wheel undercarriage and sturdy main undercarriage can be seen that LCA has already done on the ship ready.

The greatest advantage of this machine is forty percent body made of advanced composite materials, not only effectively reduce the weight of the aircraft, but also strengthened the aircraft at close range of high overload capacity around the bucket. The avionics system of LCA is designed by France, including integrated communication subsystem, mission subsystem, self defense system and navigation and flight system.

The use of airborne radar is the EL\/M2032 radar produced by the ELTA company in Israel,The radar works in the X band, with the air and on the ground capacity, with 14 kinds of air to air and space opposite the work mode, the role of 37-75 km (target for small fighter).

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A Ge Corp F404 engine

A plane captain:13.20 meters

Takeoff weight:8.5 tons

Ceiling:15240 meters

Maximum flat speed:1.6 Maher

Weapon point:7

Maximum load:4 tons

Airborne weapon:23 mm cannon, 220 rounds of ammunition

The production of "strange snake" -4 infrared guided combat missiles and "Derby" medium range air-to-air missile, air to ground (ship) ship missiles, precision guided bombs, conventional unguided rocket bombs, etc..



The India air force originally installed first LCA squadron in 2015 to the forefront, but in subsequent tests, and found about 100 LCA flaws, including the reliability of airborne radar work, may be in front of the driver and fired artillery shells when problems.

The India air force is expected to integrate all airborne weapons and equipment, the formation of a comprehensive combat force, to be formally equipped with Mk.1 LCA fighter aircraft. After the plan to buy 4 squadron LCA engine Mk.2 F414 fighter aircraft, the total number of purchases for 80.

Pakistan JF-17 fierce dragon fighter and India LCA tejas, in the design stage is the tit for tat ", is a bitter enemy" air force "their level of low-grade machine collocation in" strategy.

Whether it is better or worse, we must from the overall performance, aircraft avionics and flight control system, the ability to adapt their combat system in three aspects, can we draw a final conclusion.


India LCA fighter in order to achieve lightweight design requirements, the weight loss as the most important indicator, not hesitate to use a large number of composite materials to achieve the purpose.

LCA composite materials using weight accounted for 45% of the weight of the whole machine, so that the empty weight reduced to 5.5 tons, than the fierce dragon nearly a ton of light. Therefore, it can carry more fuel and weapons and equipment, LCA without external engine oil loading coefficient may be close to 30%, the operational capability of the upgrade is obvious.
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LCA the drawbacks of large-scale use of composite materials, but also soon appeared out.Due to the low level of manufacturing and processing of composite materials in India, the structural strength of the LCA body can not meet the requirements of the original design. When LCA is carried out on the 8-9G large overload motor, it is likely to cause excessive fatigue of composite materials, and even cause a major accident in the air disintegration of the aircraft.

In the LCA fighter flight test, or participate in a variety of performing flying, rarely able to see it for large overload maneuver, which is probably only the mystery of the India air force can only be able to understand. LCA large-scale use of composite materials, resulting in a substantial rise in manufacturing costs, so that the purchase price is significantly higher than the standard low. In the face of the high cost of procurement of domestic LCA fighters to pay, the India air force is more willing to buy more cost-effective western advanced fighter.


LCA fighters had hoped to be equipped with a India made in the "Chi Wei" turbo fan engine, but the engine's research and development work is seriously lagging behind, can only buy the United States Ge Corp F404 engine instead.

The United States F404 engine thrust is not up to the design requirements of the LCA fighter, resulting in the machine's performance indicators are varying degrees of decline. Which is known as the maximum flight speed of 1.6 Maher, the actual can only fly to about 1.4 Maher.

LCA in the larger American F414 facelift thrust engine, to thoroughly solve the serious shortage of power. LCA MK2 aircraft which is equipped with a new engine, what time can be equipped with the India air force, is still an elusive thing.

The fierce dragon as a combat fighter with F-16 low, for the consideration of cost control, the body structure of the main material for Aluminum Alloy, without the use of composite materials is very popular. The power system of Pakistan air force in the choice of "Xiaolong" fighter, combat radius, comprehensive ability, mobility parameters such as external mount, compared with general F404, Pu Hui - PW1216, and after the Russian RD93 engine, the RD-93 turbofan engine fuel consumption rate is low and moderate price.

In order to adapt to the needs of the Russian fierce dragon fighter, the RD-93 engine has been improved, the fierce dragon fighter to ensure the basic performance, machine has a large range and good maneuvering performance.


JF-17B two seater version of "Xiaolong" in addition to increase a seat, another significant change is the plane back added a tank. Presumably, the fuselage of the JF-17B internal fuel load may be better than single seat version also increased slightly. Compared with JF-17B and JF-17 aircraft, in the overall size and normal takeoff weight hardly changed under the premise, the maximum payload consists of 3.6 tons of JF-17 increased to 4.5 tons, which proved that the combat capability of multi-purpose two seater version of "Xiaolong" have stronger.

Trainer JF-17B two seater version is not in the general sense, but rather will su -27 Su -30 upgrade to change, upgrade will air fighter for the two seater version of multi-purpose attack machine.JF-17B is usually used as a new pilot training aircraft, the pilot is responsible for wartime back ground attack and electronic warfare missions, the machine can be transformed into perfect two seater multirole strike aircraft.

CATIC pointed out that JF-17B aircraft STOL capability and strong weapon loading capacity. STOL capability of JF-17B require large thrust engine support, and the maximum payload is increased to 4.5 tons. Both of the above two points, JF-17B equipment of the Russian made RD-93 engine has improved, its thrust has been a certain upgrade.

At the same time in the process of JF-17B single seater modified two seater, on the body of material and structure make some changes, so that the total weight of the machine has been reduced, the payload upgrade plays a key role.

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JF-17B two seater version in the premise of low cost, the flight performance can reach or exceed the level of India LCA. The reliability of LCA aircraft bad become a disaster, the armed forces after there are still more than and 100 defects, cannon is fired and even endanger the safety of the pilots shot.

India LCA is so wonderful, I'm afraid only U.S. F-35 fighters and dogged by bad luck as a friend. JF-17B two seater version of the LCA half of the price, the real combat is significantly more than LCA, and become a model of Sino Pakistani military cooperation.

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LCA avionics system design by the French, with 3 in the standard 1553B digital data bus, 32 task 2 computers built, including integrated communication subsystem, task subsystem, self-defense system and navigation and flight system.

The use of airborne radar is the EL\/M2032 radar produced by the ELTA company in Israel,The radar works in the X band, with the air and on the ground capacity, with 14 kinds of air to air and space opposite the work mode, the role of 37-75 km (target for small fighter).


The flight control system of LCA is the full authority digital 4-redundancy Telex system in India and Los - Malaysia cooperation development, during the India nuclear test repeatedly interrupted the overall level and reliability are doubtful. According to India media reports, the technology of this system has reached the level of F-16C\/D by wire, mobility increase LCA, improve the flight performance and has a good effect to improve the ability to mount on.

JF-17B avionics system adopts centralized and distributed structure, which is the core of the airborne computer and 1553B data transmission bus, and integrates the functions of cockpit display control, task management, fire control calculation and so on. With autonomous navigation, air and land and sea attack, target search and recognition, communication and landing, store management, task planning and recording parameters, integrated electronic warfare, integrated display and control, data transmission and other functions, but also matching the helmet mounted sight system and helmet display system, so as to help the pilot the smooth operation of a variety of tactics.



JF-17B airborne radar is used in Nanjing 14 KLJ-7 radar,Using the same X band, with 14 air-to-air and air to ground mode, in TWS mode, can track 10 targets, and 2 of them at the same time to attack the target, and can realize the BVR missile guidance, the size of 5 square meters, 105 kilometers from the horizon on the next. Depending on the distance of 85 kilometers.

The flight control system of JF-17B machine using longitudinal full authority four redundant digital analog plus two redundancy backup FBW system, transverse mechanical manipulation combined with limited permissions more than two degrees of digital control augmentation system, overcomes the shortcomings of some local aerodynamic characteristics, give full play to the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft has good handling characteristics and flight quality. At the same time, the system has relatively low cost.

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Comparison of the overall avionics system and flight control system of JF-17B and LCA, we can draw the following conclusions:

After many years of development, China has the ability to produce advanced avionics, JF-17B equipment integrated avionics system with a high level of technology. Even compared with the LCA equipment of western advanced avionics system, will never be at a disadvantage.

Compared with the JF-17B radar and EL\/M2032 radar, the KLJ-7 equipment has the characteristics of higher detection range, stronger anti-interference ability, and multi application capability. JF-17B adds a rear seat weapon system operator, which has a substantial increase in ground attack and electronic warfare capabilities, which are not available to LCA.

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Analysis of the role of JF-17B and LCA in the Air Force combat system between India and pakistan:

The two are cheap air force equipment in the low aircraft, mainly used to cooperate with the F-16C\/D and the Soviet Union -30MKI and other high-end fighter. Low aircraft pursuit is a lower cost and more quantity, to make up for the weakness of high-end fighter aircraft can not be large-scale equipment.

JF-17B integrated procurement price between 1500-2000 million, with the increase in the number of equipment will be lower. The India LCA development cycle for up to thirty years, its development and procurement costs are roughly estimated at more than $30 million, basically reached the U.S. military F-16A\/B purchase price. With the purchase price of F-16A\/B to buy domestic LCA fighter, the psychological shadow of the India air force, I am afraid it is self-evident.

The Pakistan air force in the national defense budget, easy to purchase 150-250 aircraft of various types of fierce dragon fighter. India Air Force Procurement of 120 domestic LCA prices, probably bibba in the procurement of 250 "fierce dragon fighter more. In this way, the Pakistan air force in terms of the number of low-end aircraft, the formation of the India two than one absolute advantage.


JF-17B compared to LCA has a very big advantage, it can use Russia, China, Israel, NATO and other countries of the weaponry and equipment, which have benefited from China's powerful equipment integration capabilities. India LCA is the "multinational hundred-percent equipment, but its lack of assorted cold dishes" will be the perfect integration of multinational capacity together.

For example, the Israeli production of radar systems can only guide the Israeli and American Standard missiles, want to launch a Russian made missiles is not possible. Radar, flight control system, data link and other important systems of LCA, are from different countries of the various manufacturers, cannot completely solve the compatibility problems. All kinds of faults and defects of LCA the principle of fundamental reason emerge in an endless stream, it is unable to grasp all equipment, simple combination stack can only bring unpredictable disaster.

JF-17B can use the SD-10 type active radar guidance production China BVR missiles and PL-9 type infrared guided short-range combat missile, C-802AK various anti-ship and anti radiation missile, Lei Shi series of laser guided bombs, bombs, and other anti runway submunition to attack weapons. Also to air missiles and land use \/ to ship missiles, the Russian air and is compatible with a variety of air in Israel, the United States and NATO standard to air missiles and anti-ship missiles to \/.

JF-17B the high compatibility of weapons to the country, to the Pakistani air force logistics supply has brought great benefits for the national defense budget is limited. The fierce dragon fighter series from Pakistan to build, the radar, flight control system, data chain integration is very perfect, Pakistan to the fierce dragon flight quality and operational effectiveness are very satisfied.

Through continuous upgrading and transformation of the two countries, JF-17C will change China advanced engine and active phased array radar, its comprehensive combat capability will be a great leap forward.


In summary, due to the huge gap between the comprehensive national strength of India and Pakistan, the air force in the quality and quantity of the high-end fighter is in a great disadvantage. Pakistan Air Force in order to make up for the defect of high-end fighter, only in the low-end fighter equipment and use to increase efforts.

In the premise of procurement budget, Pakistan Air Force Equipment of Xiaolong fighter series, both the absolute number or the overall ability, greatly surpass India equipment LCA series aircraft. The India air force has always been ambitious and eager to become a fighter LCA style, after thirty years of work was still unable to form combat.

But Pakistan insist on sincere cooperation, pragmatic principles, the fierce dragon fighter Series in a relatively short period of time, the formation of a strong fighting force.


India has good human and financial resources, in the process of development and equipment LCA fighter, despite their own scientific and technological level and manufacturing capacity, unrealistic to improve the performance of aircraft targets. The result is that the design of a program to change, domestic equipment is not up to the design requirements, the introduction of the western advanced equipment and systems, and ultimately lead to LCA fighter has become a failure of the pilot.

Chinese air force in 60s and 70s also made the same mistake, leading to a variety of blind ambitious fighter is aborted in the design stage. Chinese in the aviation industry as a warning for the future after re start from the internal training, to lay a good foundation to start, after a long time of unremitting efforts, finally ushered in the outbreak of domestic aircraft performance and combat capability.

China and India are very different from the aviation industry development experience, it is worth all determined to develop a strong air force in the country's profound thinking.
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Great article!!! FC1 is now so powerful and advanced that china is thinking to order some for itself?
It all depends on a country's defense needs and requirements, China is more concerned to keep up against the likes of F-22s, F-35s, SU-35s, etc. Truth be told JF-17 is not at that caliber YET, but it will be effective against migs, jags, etc. So for China to induct FC-1 into their defense is pointless, they rather continue to develop completely indigenous projects like the J-10s, J-11s, etc. In conclusion, your butthurt is not justified :agree:
 
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India is also looking for the similar capability aircraft you just proudly mentioned on the rhymes of HMV. A order of 36 is just placed with options and a more capable aircraft from Russia. However, It does have to replace the legacy fighters, capabilities were not compromised but rather enhanced even for induction rather than justifying the junk or the upgrades of it. Since, i don't agree with you and with a pesky $8 billion defence budget in total; sir your butthurt is totally justified. :cheers:
So is India completely abandoning its LCA progam?
 
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Don't let the pain get the best of you my man.

Please let me know where you got that impression? Please dont include the graphic detals from your side. Let just go quote to quote.

Thank you SirJi

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:woot::woot::woot: looks like you forgot about the SirJiKal strikes on Gujrat, need a reminder? :lol:
 
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But Pakistan insist on sincere cooperation, pragmatic principles, the fierce dragon fighter Series in a relatively short period of time, the formation of a strong fighting force.
That is the key .
India has good human and financial resources, in the process of development and equipment LCA fighter, despite their own scientific and technological level and manufacturing capacity, unrealistic to improve the performance of aircraft targets.
Financial yes but human resources in term of capabilities in Engineering is another topic

Very nicely written and some how this is the 1st article i have gone thru in which Chinese admits the capability of FC1 and business model for low cost aircrafts .
 
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It all depends on a country's defense needs and requirements, China is more concerned to keep up against the likes of F-22s, F-35s, SU-35s, etc. Truth be told JF-17 is not at that caliber YET, but it will be effective against migs, jags, etc. So for China to induct FC-1 into their defense is pointless, they rather continue to develop completely indigenous projects like the J-10s, J-11s, etc. In conclusion, your butthurt is not justified :agree:

if JF-17 is so good why does PLAAF operate hundreds of J-7s ? It is not hard to replace them at $20 million per aircraft
 
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if JF-17 is so good why does PLAAF operate hundreds of J-7s ? It is not hard to replace them at $20 million per aircraft
because they have to replace their J-7 and J-8 with multi-role J-10, they want medium weight fighter jets and heavies they don't want light weight fighter jets like JF-17 which shares so many technology from J-10 and BTW JF-17 is built specifically for Pakistan not for China:p:
 
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Goods than goods have to throw! India hate China "xiaolong"!
2016-10-19 18:54:21 8 ℃

According to the India defenseworld website reported on September 19th, a new generation of the Pakistan air force JF-17B two fierce dragon fighter, will have advanced data link and electronic warfare capabilities, will be equipped with a variety of new precision guided weapons

In September 15th, the ninth session of the African aerospace and Defence Exhibition, China aero technology import and Export Corporation revealed to the media: the two seater version of "fierce dragon fighter is in accordance with the plan of development and production, the first flight is expected to be completed at the end of this year.

According to CATIC information provided by the two seater version of "thunder" not only has the high subsonic speed in low altitude maneuvering combat capability and supersonic flight ability, also has a larger range, loiter time and combat radius. At the same time, this aircraft has STOL capability and strong weapon loading capacity.

The Pakistan air force JF-17 fierce dragon fighter, by the Pakistan air force burden of 50% investment, Chinese aviation technology import and Export Corporation (CNAC) and Chengdu aircraft industry group company jointly invested 50%.

July 2004 FC-1 aircraft project was officially named, China called FC-1\/ fierce dragon fighter, Pakistan is known as JF-17 ("fighter") \/ "lightning" fighter.

Is unknown, the Russian MIG design bureau also plans to join FC-1, MIG will have to cancel the MIG -33 fighter technology, to provide reference in china. At the same time, selected by the Klimov RD-93 turbofan engine developed by Russia (improved RD-33 type engine MIG -29 fighters of the equipment) as a power system FC-1.

JF-17 KLJ-7 X Chinese Pakistan is equipped with 14 kinds of band radar, air-to-air and air to ground mode, in TWS mode, can track 10 targets, and 2 of them at the same time the target to attack, to 5 square meters in size, as the distance of 105 km, 85 km away from the next line of sight.
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JF-17 fierce dragon fighter:

Equipment:China X KLJ-7 band radar

Engine:1 Russian RD-93 turbofan engine

A plane captain:14.30 meters (single version) 14.50 meters (two seater version)

Machine height:4.90 meters

Ceiling:16500 meters

Max Maher number:1.6 Maher

Maximum range:2500 km

Weapon point:7

Maximum load:3.8 tons

Airborne weapon:Equipped with a 23-3 type dual 23 mm cannon, 220 rounds of ammunition.

Chinese SD-10 active radar guided medium range air-to-air missile, R-27ER1 medium range air to air missile, PL-9 infrared short range air-to-air missile, the Sidewinder air-to-air missile series. If you add a laser designator pod, can launch Chinese Shi Lei (LS) series and the JDAM series of precision guided bomb.
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The Pakistan Air Force plans to purchase 150 aircraft JF-17 fierce dragon fighter, the first batch of Block 1 production of 50 aircraft. The first 8 aircraft to fly by the fierce dragon production, following 42 by Chinese production parts, assembled by Pakistan in china.

Starting from the Block JF-17 2 type, the machine is mainly produced by the Pakistan aviation production association (PAC). Block 2 upgrade avionics system, equipped with a new type of data link, and the installation of air refueling equipment. It is speculated that Block 3 will also change phased array radar, helmet mounted display and a new engine.

As everyone knows, India and Pakistan is one of the enemy armies feel irreconcilable hatred, there were countless times of armed conflict in the past few decades. The Pakistan Air Force Procurement of 150 JF-17 "Xiaolong" move to consistently maintain the dual advantages of Pakistani air quantity and quality of the India air force, has brought very heavy pressure.

The government of India has decided to purchase 120 domestic LCA "brilliant" fighter jets in order to combat the increasing combat effectiveness of the Pakistan air force. And the India air force on the government procurement of LCA fighter's decision, but how also happy not up. They are more willing to buy advanced fighters in western countries, instead of wasting money on tejas this "not help fools" on the body.

At the beginning of 1980s, Pakistan gained the advanced F-16A\/B fighter from the United States. India vowed to develop a new combat aircraft, in the performance of the full beyond F-16.

1983, India LCA light combat aircraft project was officially launched. Due to the limitation of national strength and the level of aviation science and technology, the development of research and development is slow. In order to accelerate the progress of research and development, India's military had to abandon the original intention of all domestic equipment, LCA fighters, including the engine and fire control radar, including the introduction of key components from abroad.

Even so, the India LCA fighter dogged by bad luck in 2013 before the formal armed forces, a fighter for more than thirty years from the project to the armed forces, which are unique in the world in the air force.


LCA aircraft with no horizontal tail and large delta wing design is similar to the mirage 2000, has a high mobility and excellent STOL capabilities. From the front wheel undercarriage and sturdy main undercarriage can be seen that LCA has already done on the ship ready.

The greatest advantage of this machine is forty percent body made of advanced composite materials, not only effectively reduce the weight of the aircraft, but also strengthened the aircraft at close range of high overload capacity around the bucket. The avionics system of LCA is designed by France, including integrated communication subsystem, mission subsystem, self defense system and navigation and flight system.

The use of airborne radar is the EL\/M2032 radar produced by the ELTA company in Israel,The radar works in the X band, with the air and on the ground capacity, with 14 kinds of air to air and space opposite the work mode, the role of 37-75 km (target for small fighter).

0EheJawC4b




A Ge Corp F404 engine

A plane captain:13.20 meters

Takeoff weight:8.5 tons

Ceiling:15240 meters

Maximum flat speed:1.6 Maher

Weapon point:7

Maximum load:4 tons

Airborne weapon:23 mm cannon, 220 rounds of ammunition

The production of "strange snake" -4 infrared guided combat missiles and "Derby" medium range air-to-air missile, air to ground (ship) ship missiles, precision guided bombs, conventional unguided rocket bombs, etc..



The India air force originally installed first LCA squadron in 2015 to the forefront, but in subsequent tests, and found about 100 LCA flaws, including the reliability of airborne radar work, may be in front of the driver and fired artillery shells when problems.

The India air force is expected to integrate all airborne weapons and equipment, the formation of a comprehensive combat force, to be formally equipped with Mk.1 LCA fighter aircraft. After the plan to buy 4 squadron LCA engine Mk.2 F414 fighter aircraft, the total number of purchases for 80.

Pakistan JF-17 fierce dragon fighter and India LCA tejas, in the design stage is the tit for tat ", is a bitter enemy" air force "their level of low-grade machine collocation in" strategy.

Whether it is better or worse, we must from the overall performance, aircraft avionics and flight control system, the ability to adapt their combat system in three aspects, can we draw a final conclusion.


India LCA fighter in order to achieve lightweight design requirements, the weight loss as the most important indicator, not hesitate to use a large number of composite materials to achieve the purpose.

LCA composite materials using weight accounted for 45% of the weight of the whole machine, so that the empty weight reduced to 5.5 tons, than the fierce dragon nearly a ton of light. Therefore, it can carry more fuel and weapons and equipment, LCA without external engine oil loading coefficient may be close to 30%, the operational capability of the upgrade is obvious.
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LCA the drawbacks of large-scale use of composite materials, but also soon appeared out.Due to the low level of manufacturing and processing of composite materials in India, the structural strength of the LCA body can not meet the requirements of the original design. When LCA is carried out on the 8-9G large overload motor, it is likely to cause excessive fatigue of composite materials, and even cause a major accident in the air disintegration of the aircraft.

In the LCA fighter flight test, or participate in a variety of performing flying, rarely able to see it for large overload maneuver, which is probably only the mystery of the India air force can only be able to understand. LCA large-scale use of composite materials, resulting in a substantial rise in manufacturing costs, so that the purchase price is significantly higher than the standard low. In the face of the high cost of procurement of domestic LCA fighters to pay, the India air force is more willing to buy more cost-effective western advanced fighter.


LCA fighters had hoped to be equipped with a India made in the "Chi Wei" turbo fan engine, but the engine's research and development work is seriously lagging behind, can only buy the United States Ge Corp F404 engine instead.

The United States F404 engine thrust is not up to the design requirements of the LCA fighter, resulting in the machine's performance indicators are varying degrees of decline. Which is known as the maximum flight speed of 1.6 Maher, the actual can only fly to about 1.4 Maher.

LCA in the larger American F414 facelift thrust engine, to thoroughly solve the serious shortage of power. LCA MK2 aircraft which is equipped with a new engine, what time can be equipped with the India air force, is still an elusive thing.

The fierce dragon as a combat fighter with F-16 low, for the consideration of cost control, the body structure of the main material for Aluminum Alloy, without the use of composite materials is very popular. The power system of Pakistan air force in the choice of "Xiaolong" fighter, combat radius, comprehensive ability, mobility parameters such as external mount, compared with general F404, Pu Hui - PW1216, and after the Russian RD93 engine, the RD-93 turbofan engine fuel consumption rate is low and moderate price.

In order to adapt to the needs of the Russian fierce dragon fighter, the RD-93 engine has been improved, the fierce dragon fighter to ensure the basic performance, machine has a large range and good maneuvering performance.


JF-17B two seater version of "Xiaolong" in addition to increase a seat, another significant change is the plane back added a tank. Presumably, the fuselage of the JF-17B internal fuel load may be better than single seat version also increased slightly. Compared with JF-17B and JF-17 aircraft, in the overall size and normal takeoff weight hardly changed under the premise, the maximum payload consists of 3.6 tons of JF-17 increased to 4.5 tons, which proved that the combat capability of multi-purpose two seater version of "Xiaolong" have stronger.

Trainer JF-17B two seater version is not in the general sense, but rather will su -27 Su -30 upgrade to change, upgrade will air fighter for the two seater version of multi-purpose attack machine.JF-17B is usually used as a new pilot training aircraft, the pilot is responsible for wartime back ground attack and electronic warfare missions, the machine can be transformed into perfect two seater multirole strike aircraft.

CATIC pointed out that JF-17B aircraft STOL capability and strong weapon loading capacity. STOL capability of JF-17B require large thrust engine support, and the maximum payload is increased to 4.5 tons. Both of the above two points, JF-17B equipment of the Russian made RD-93 engine has improved, its thrust has been a certain upgrade.

At the same time in the process of JF-17B single seater modified two seater, on the body of material and structure make some changes, so that the total weight of the machine has been reduced, the payload upgrade plays a key role.

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JF-17B two seater version in the premise of low cost, the flight performance can reach or exceed the level of India LCA. The reliability of LCA aircraft bad become a disaster, the armed forces after there are still more than and 100 defects, cannon is fired and even endanger the safety of the pilots shot.

India LCA is so wonderful, I'm afraid only U.S. F-35 fighters and dogged by bad luck as a friend. JF-17B two seater version of the LCA half of the price, the real combat is significantly more than LCA, and become a model of Sino Pakistani military cooperation.

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LCA avionics system design by the French, with 3 in the standard 1553B digital data bus, 32 task 2 computers built, including integrated communication subsystem, task subsystem, self-defense system and navigation and flight system.

The use of airborne radar is the EL\/M2032 radar produced by the ELTA company in Israel,The radar works in the X band, with the air and on the ground capacity, with 14 kinds of air to air and space opposite the work mode, the role of 37-75 km (target for small fighter).


The flight control system of LCA is the full authority digital 4-redundancy Telex system in India and Los - Malaysia cooperation development, during the India nuclear test repeatedly interrupted the overall level and reliability are doubtful. According to India media reports, the technology of this system has reached the level of F-16C\/D by wire, mobility increase LCA, improve the flight performance and has a good effect to improve the ability to mount on.

JF-17B avionics system adopts centralized and distributed structure, which is the core of the airborne computer and 1553B data transmission bus, and integrates the functions of cockpit display control, task management, fire control calculation and so on. With autonomous navigation, air and land and sea attack, target search and recognition, communication and landing, store management, task planning and recording parameters, integrated electronic warfare, integrated display and control, data transmission and other functions, but also matching the helmet mounted sight system and helmet display system, so as to help the pilot the smooth operation of a variety of tactics.



JF-17B airborne radar is used in Nanjing 14 KLJ-7 radar,Using the same X band, with 14 air-to-air and air to ground mode, in TWS mode, can track 10 targets, and 2 of them at the same time to attack the target, and can realize the BVR missile guidance, the size of 5 square meters, 105 kilometers from the horizon on the next. Depending on the distance of 85 kilometers.

The flight control system of JF-17B machine using longitudinal full authority four redundant digital analog plus two redundancy backup FBW system, transverse mechanical manipulation combined with limited permissions more than two degrees of digital control augmentation system, overcomes the shortcomings of some local aerodynamic characteristics, give full play to the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft has good handling characteristics and flight quality. At the same time, the system has relatively low cost.

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Comparison of the overall avionics system and flight control system of JF-17B and LCA, we can draw the following conclusions:

After many years of development, China has the ability to produce advanced avionics, JF-17B equipment integrated avionics system with a high level of technology. Even compared with the LCA equipment of western advanced avionics system, will never be at a disadvantage.

Compared with the JF-17B radar and EL\/M2032 radar, the KLJ-7 equipment has the characteristics of higher detection range, stronger anti-interference ability, and multi application capability. JF-17B adds a rear seat weapon system operator, which has a substantial increase in ground attack and electronic warfare capabilities, which are not available to LCA.

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Analysis of the role of JF-17B and LCA in the Air Force combat system between India and pakistan:

The two are cheap air force equipment in the low aircraft, mainly used to cooperate with the F-16C\/D and the Soviet Union -30MKI and other high-end fighter. Low aircraft pursuit is a lower cost and more quantity, to make up for the weakness of high-end fighter aircraft can not be large-scale equipment.

JF-17B integrated procurement price between 1500-2000 million, with the increase in the number of equipment will be lower. The India LCA development cycle for up to thirty years, its development and procurement costs are roughly estimated at more than $30 million, basically reached the U.S. military F-16A\/B purchase price. With the purchase price of F-16A\/B to buy domestic LCA fighter, the psychological shadow of the India air force, I am afraid it is self-evident.

The Pakistan air force in the national defense budget, easy to purchase 150-250 aircraft of various types of fierce dragon fighter. India Air Force Procurement of 120 domestic LCA prices, probably bibba in the procurement of 250 "fierce dragon fighter more. In this way, the Pakistan air force in terms of the number of low-end aircraft, the formation of the India two than one absolute advantage.


JF-17B compared to LCA has a very big advantage, it can use Russia, China, Israel, NATO and other countries of the weaponry and equipment, which have benefited from China's powerful equipment integration capabilities. India LCA is the "multinational hundred-percent equipment, but its lack of assorted cold dishes" will be the perfect integration of multinational capacity together.

For example, the Israeli production of radar systems can only guide the Israeli and American Standard missiles, want to launch a Russian made missiles is not possible. Radar, flight control system, data link and other important systems of LCA, are from different countries of the various manufacturers, cannot completely solve the compatibility problems. All kinds of faults and defects of LCA the principle of fundamental reason emerge in an endless stream, it is unable to grasp all equipment, simple combination stack can only bring unpredictable disaster.

JF-17B can use the SD-10 type active radar guidance production China BVR missiles and PL-9 type infrared guided short-range combat missile, C-802AK various anti-ship and anti radiation missile, Lei Shi series of laser guided bombs, bombs, and other anti runway submunition to attack weapons. Also to air missiles and land use \/ to ship missiles, the Russian air and is compatible with a variety of air in Israel, the United States and NATO standard to air missiles and anti-ship missiles to \/.

JF-17B the high compatibility of weapons to the country, to the Pakistani air force logistics supply has brought great benefits for the national defense budget is limited. The fierce dragon fighter series from Pakistan to build, the radar, flight control system, data chain integration is very perfect, Pakistan to the fierce dragon flight quality and operational effectiveness are very satisfied.

Through continuous upgrading and transformation of the two countries, JF-17C will change China advanced engine and active phased array radar, its comprehensive combat capability will be a great leap forward.


In summary, due to the huge gap between the comprehensive national strength of India and Pakistan, the air force in the quality and quantity of the high-end fighter is in a great disadvantage. Pakistan Air Force in order to make up for the defect of high-end fighter, only in the low-end fighter equipment and use to increase efforts.

In the premise of procurement budget, Pakistan Air Force Equipment of Xiaolong fighter series, both the absolute number or the overall ability, greatly surpass India equipment LCA series aircraft. The India air force has always been ambitious and eager to become a fighter LCA style, after thirty years of work was still unable to form combat.

But Pakistan insist on sincere cooperation, pragmatic principles, the fierce dragon fighter Series in a relatively short period of time, the formation of a strong fighting force.


India has good human and financial resources, in the process of development and equipment LCA fighter, despite their own scientific and technological level and manufacturing capacity, unrealistic to improve the performance of aircraft targets. The result is that the design of a program to change, domestic equipment is not up to the design requirements, the introduction of the western advanced equipment and systems, and ultimately lead to LCA fighter has become a failure of the pilot.

Chinese air force in 60s and 70s also made the same mistake, leading to a variety of blind ambitious fighter is aborted in the design stage. Chinese in the aviation industry as a warning for the future after re start from the internal training, to lay a good foundation to start, after a long time of unremitting efforts, finally ushered in the outbreak of domestic aircraft performance and combat capability.

China and India are very different from the aviation industry development experience, it is worth all determined to develop a strong air force in the country's profound thinking.
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because they have to replace their J-7 and J-8 with multi-role J-10, they want medium weight fighter jets and heavies they don't want light weight fighter jets like JF-17 which shares so many technology from J-10 and BTW JF-17 is built specifically for Pakistan not for China:p:

PLAAF is operating hundreds of J-7s which are MiG-21s
you are telling me that some how the JF-17 is not good enough to replace them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

i can draw one of two conclusions
China's engine technology is bad. jf-17 without RD-93 is not good for PLAAF

JF-17 is not a great aircraft
 
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Great article!!! FC1 is now so powerful and advanced that china is thinking to order some for itself?
JF-17 was made for the purpose of replacing Migs and Sabres in our inventory. But is has exceeded far beyond what we originally thought. With constant upgrades, it's quickly speeding towards becomming equivalent to the latest blocks of F-16s.
 
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Goods than goods have to throw! India hate China "xiaolong"!
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According to the India defenseworld website reported on September 19th, a new generation of the Pakistan air force JF-17B two fierce dragon fighter, will have advanced data link and electronic warfare capabilities, will be equipped with a variety of new precision guided weapons

In September 15th, the ninth session of the African aerospace and Defence Exhibition, China aero technology import and Export Corporation revealed to the media: the two seater version of "fierce dragon fighter is in accordance with the plan of development and production, the first flight is expected to be completed at the end of this year.

According to CATIC information provided by the two seater version of "thunder" not only has the high subsonic speed in low altitude maneuvering combat capability and supersonic flight ability, also has a larger range, loiter time and combat radius. At the same time, this aircraft has STOL capability and strong weapon loading capacity.

The Pakistan air force JF-17 fierce dragon fighter, by the Pakistan air force burden of 50% investment, Chinese aviation technology import and Export Corporation (CNAC) and Chengdu aircraft industry group company jointly invested 50%.

July 2004 FC-1 aircraft project was officially named, China called FC-1\/ fierce dragon fighter, Pakistan is known as JF-17 ("fighter") \/ "lightning" fighter.

Is unknown, the Russian MIG design bureau also plans to join FC-1, MIG will have to cancel the MIG -33 fighter technology, to provide reference in china. At the same time, selected by the Klimov RD-93 turbofan engine developed by Russia (improved RD-33 type engine MIG -29 fighters of the equipment) as a power system FC-1.

JF-17 KLJ-7 X Chinese Pakistan is equipped with 14 kinds of band radar, air-to-air and air to ground mode, in TWS mode, can track 10 targets, and 2 of them at the same time the target to attack, to 5 square meters in size, as the distance of 105 km, 85 km away from the next line of sight.
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JF-17 fierce dragon fighter:

Equipment:China X KLJ-7 band radar

Engine:1 Russian RD-93 turbofan engine

A plane captain:14.30 meters (single version) 14.50 meters (two seater version)

Machine height:4.90 meters

Ceiling:16500 meters

Max Maher number:1.6 Maher

Maximum range:2500 km

Weapon point:7

Maximum load:3.8 tons

Airborne weapon:Equipped with a 23-3 type dual 23 mm cannon, 220 rounds of ammunition.

Chinese SD-10 active radar guided medium range air-to-air missile, R-27ER1 medium range air to air missile, PL-9 infrared short range air-to-air missile, the Sidewinder air-to-air missile series. If you add a laser designator pod, can launch Chinese Shi Lei (LS) series and the JDAM series of precision guided bomb.
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The Pakistan Air Force plans to purchase 150 aircraft JF-17 fierce dragon fighter, the first batch of Block 1 production of 50 aircraft. The first 8 aircraft to fly by the fierce dragon production, following 42 by Chinese production parts, assembled by Pakistan in china.

Starting from the Block JF-17 2 type, the machine is mainly produced by the Pakistan aviation production association (PAC). Block 2 upgrade avionics system, equipped with a new type of data link, and the installation of air refueling equipment. It is speculated that Block 3 will also change phased array radar, helmet mounted display and a new engine.

As everyone knows, India and Pakistan is one of the enemy armies feel irreconcilable hatred, there were countless times of armed conflict in the past few decades. The Pakistan Air Force Procurement of 150 JF-17 "Xiaolong" move to consistently maintain the dual advantages of Pakistani air quantity and quality of the India air force, has brought very heavy pressure.

The government of India has decided to purchase 120 domestic LCA "brilliant" fighter jets in order to combat the increasing combat effectiveness of the Pakistan air force. And the India air force on the government procurement of LCA fighter's decision, but how also happy not up. They are more willing to buy advanced fighters in western countries, instead of wasting money on tejas this "not help fools" on the body.

At the beginning of 1980s, Pakistan gained the advanced F-16A\/B fighter from the United States. India vowed to develop a new combat aircraft, in the performance of the full beyond F-16.

1983, India LCA light combat aircraft project was officially launched. Due to the limitation of national strength and the level of aviation science and technology, the development of research and development is slow. In order to accelerate the progress of research and development, India's military had to abandon the original intention of all domestic equipment, LCA fighters, including the engine and fire control radar, including the introduction of key components from abroad.

Even so, the India LCA fighter dogged by bad luck in 2013 before the formal armed forces, a fighter for more than thirty years from the project to the armed forces, which are unique in the world in the air force.


LCA aircraft with no horizontal tail and large delta wing design is similar to the mirage 2000, has a high mobility and excellent STOL capabilities. From the front wheel undercarriage and sturdy main undercarriage can be seen that LCA has already done on the ship ready.

The greatest advantage of this machine is forty percent body made of advanced composite materials, not only effectively reduce the weight of the aircraft, but also strengthened the aircraft at close range of high overload capacity around the bucket. The avionics system of LCA is designed by France, including integrated communication subsystem, mission subsystem, self defense system and navigation and flight system.

The use of airborne radar is the EL\/M2032 radar produced by the ELTA company in Israel,The radar works in the X band, with the air and on the ground capacity, with 14 kinds of air to air and space opposite the work mode, the role of 37-75 km (target for small fighter).

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A Ge Corp F404 engine

A plane captain:13.20 meters

Takeoff weight:8.5 tons

Ceiling:15240 meters

Maximum flat speed:1.6 Maher

Weapon point:7

Maximum load:4 tons

Airborne weapon:23 mm cannon, 220 rounds of ammunition

The production of "strange snake" -4 infrared guided combat missiles and "Derby" medium range air-to-air missile, air to ground (ship) ship missiles, precision guided bombs, conventional unguided rocket bombs, etc..



The India air force originally installed first LCA squadron in 2015 to the forefront, but in subsequent tests, and found about 100 LCA flaws, including the reliability of airborne radar work, may be in front of the driver and fired artillery shells when problems.

The India air force is expected to integrate all airborne weapons and equipment, the formation of a comprehensive combat force, to be formally equipped with Mk.1 LCA fighter aircraft. After the plan to buy 4 squadron LCA engine Mk.2 F414 fighter aircraft, the total number of purchases for 80.

Pakistan JF-17 fierce dragon fighter and India LCA tejas, in the design stage is the tit for tat ", is a bitter enemy" air force "their level of low-grade machine collocation in" strategy.

Whether it is better or worse, we must from the overall performance, aircraft avionics and flight control system, the ability to adapt their combat system in three aspects, can we draw a final conclusion.


India LCA fighter in order to achieve lightweight design requirements, the weight loss as the most important indicator, not hesitate to use a large number of composite materials to achieve the purpose.

LCA composite materials using weight accounted for 45% of the weight of the whole machine, so that the empty weight reduced to 5.5 tons, than the fierce dragon nearly a ton of light. Therefore, it can carry more fuel and weapons and equipment, LCA without external engine oil loading coefficient may be close to 30%, the operational capability of the upgrade is obvious.
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LCA the drawbacks of large-scale use of composite materials, but also soon appeared out.Due to the low level of manufacturing and processing of composite materials in India, the structural strength of the LCA body can not meet the requirements of the original design. When LCA is carried out on the 8-9G large overload motor, it is likely to cause excessive fatigue of composite materials, and even cause a major accident in the air disintegration of the aircraft.

In the LCA fighter flight test, or participate in a variety of performing flying, rarely able to see it for large overload maneuver, which is probably only the mystery of the India air force can only be able to understand. LCA large-scale use of composite materials, resulting in a substantial rise in manufacturing costs, so that the purchase price is significantly higher than the standard low. In the face of the high cost of procurement of domestic LCA fighters to pay, the India air force is more willing to buy more cost-effective western advanced fighter.


LCA fighters had hoped to be equipped with a India made in the "Chi Wei" turbo fan engine, but the engine's research and development work is seriously lagging behind, can only buy the United States Ge Corp F404 engine instead.

The United States F404 engine thrust is not up to the design requirements of the LCA fighter, resulting in the machine's performance indicators are varying degrees of decline. Which is known as the maximum flight speed of 1.6 Maher, the actual can only fly to about 1.4 Maher.

LCA in the larger American F414 facelift thrust engine, to thoroughly solve the serious shortage of power. LCA MK2 aircraft which is equipped with a new engine, what time can be equipped with the India air force, is still an elusive thing.

The fierce dragon as a combat fighter with F-16 low, for the consideration of cost control, the body structure of the main material for Aluminum Alloy, without the use of composite materials is very popular. The power system of Pakistan air force in the choice of "Xiaolong" fighter, combat radius, comprehensive ability, mobility parameters such as external mount, compared with general F404, Pu Hui - PW1216, and after the Russian RD93 engine, the RD-93 turbofan engine fuel consumption rate is low and moderate price.

In order to adapt to the needs of the Russian fierce dragon fighter, the RD-93 engine has been improved, the fierce dragon fighter to ensure the basic performance, machine has a large range and good maneuvering performance.


JF-17B two seater version of "Xiaolong" in addition to increase a seat, another significant change is the plane back added a tank. Presumably, the fuselage of the JF-17B internal fuel load may be better than single seat version also increased slightly. Compared with JF-17B and JF-17 aircraft, in the overall size and normal takeoff weight hardly changed under the premise, the maximum payload consists of 3.6 tons of JF-17 increased to 4.5 tons, which proved that the combat capability of multi-purpose two seater version of "Xiaolong" have stronger.

Trainer JF-17B two seater version is not in the general sense, but rather will su -27 Su -30 upgrade to change, upgrade will air fighter for the two seater version of multi-purpose attack machine.JF-17B is usually used as a new pilot training aircraft, the pilot is responsible for wartime back ground attack and electronic warfare missions, the machine can be transformed into perfect two seater multirole strike aircraft.

CATIC pointed out that JF-17B aircraft STOL capability and strong weapon loading capacity. STOL capability of JF-17B require large thrust engine support, and the maximum payload is increased to 4.5 tons. Both of the above two points, JF-17B equipment of the Russian made RD-93 engine has improved, its thrust has been a certain upgrade.

At the same time in the process of JF-17B single seater modified two seater, on the body of material and structure make some changes, so that the total weight of the machine has been reduced, the payload upgrade plays a key role.

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JF-17B two seater version in the premise of low cost, the flight performance can reach or exceed the level of India LCA. The reliability of LCA aircraft bad become a disaster, the armed forces after there are still more than and 100 defects, cannon is fired and even endanger the safety of the pilots shot.

India LCA is so wonderful, I'm afraid only U.S. F-35 fighters and dogged by bad luck as a friend. JF-17B two seater version of the LCA half of the price, the real combat is significantly more than LCA, and become a model of Sino Pakistani military cooperation.

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LCA avionics system design by the French, with 3 in the standard 1553B digital data bus, 32 task 2 computers built, including integrated communication subsystem, task subsystem, self-defense system and navigation and flight system.

The use of airborne radar is the EL\/M2032 radar produced by the ELTA company in Israel,The radar works in the X band, with the air and on the ground capacity, with 14 kinds of air to air and space opposite the work mode, the role of 37-75 km (target for small fighter).


The flight control system of LCA is the full authority digital 4-redundancy Telex system in India and Los - Malaysia cooperation development, during the India nuclear test repeatedly interrupted the overall level and reliability are doubtful. According to India media reports, the technology of this system has reached the level of F-16C\/D by wire, mobility increase LCA, improve the flight performance and has a good effect to improve the ability to mount on.

JF-17B avionics system adopts centralized and distributed structure, which is the core of the airborne computer and 1553B data transmission bus, and integrates the functions of cockpit display control, task management, fire control calculation and so on. With autonomous navigation, air and land and sea attack, target search and recognition, communication and landing, store management, task planning and recording parameters, integrated electronic warfare, integrated display and control, data transmission and other functions, but also matching the helmet mounted sight system and helmet display system, so as to help the pilot the smooth operation of a variety of tactics.



JF-17B airborne radar is used in Nanjing 14 KLJ-7 radar,Using the same X band, with 14 air-to-air and air to ground mode, in TWS mode, can track 10 targets, and 2 of them at the same time to attack the target, and can realize the BVR missile guidance, the size of 5 square meters, 105 kilometers from the horizon on the next. Depending on the distance of 85 kilometers.

The flight control system of JF-17B machine using longitudinal full authority four redundant digital analog plus two redundancy backup FBW system, transverse mechanical manipulation combined with limited permissions more than two degrees of digital control augmentation system, overcomes the shortcomings of some local aerodynamic characteristics, give full play to the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft has good handling characteristics and flight quality. At the same time, the system has relatively low cost.

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Comparison of the overall avionics system and flight control system of JF-17B and LCA, we can draw the following conclusions:

After many years of development, China has the ability to produce advanced avionics, JF-17B equipment integrated avionics system with a high level of technology. Even compared with the LCA equipment of western advanced avionics system, will never be at a disadvantage.

Compared with the JF-17B radar and EL\/M2032 radar, the KLJ-7 equipment has the characteristics of higher detection range, stronger anti-interference ability, and multi application capability. JF-17B adds a rear seat weapon system operator, which has a substantial increase in ground attack and electronic warfare capabilities, which are not available to LCA.

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Analysis of the role of JF-17B and LCA in the Air Force combat system between India and pakistan:

The two are cheap air force equipment in the low aircraft, mainly used to cooperate with the F-16C\/D and the Soviet Union -30MKI and other high-end fighter. Low aircraft pursuit is a lower cost and more quantity, to make up for the weakness of high-end fighter aircraft can not be large-scale equipment.

JF-17B integrated procurement price between 1500-2000 million, with the increase in the number of equipment will be lower. The India LCA development cycle for up to thirty years, its development and procurement costs are roughly estimated at more than $30 million, basically reached the U.S. military F-16A\/B purchase price. With the purchase price of F-16A\/B to buy domestic LCA fighter, the psychological shadow of the India air force, I am afraid it is self-evident.

The Pakistan air force in the national defense budget, easy to purchase 150-250 aircraft of various types of fierce dragon fighter. India Air Force Procurement of 120 domestic LCA prices, probably bibba in the procurement of 250 "fierce dragon fighter more. In this way, the Pakistan air force in terms of the number of low-end aircraft, the formation of the India two than one absolute advantage.


JF-17B compared to LCA has a very big advantage, it can use Russia, China, Israel, NATO and other countries of the weaponry and equipment, which have benefited from China's powerful equipment integration capabilities. India LCA is the "multinational hundred-percent equipment, but its lack of assorted cold dishes" will be the perfect integration of multinational capacity together.

For example, the Israeli production of radar systems can only guide the Israeli and American Standard missiles, want to launch a Russian made missiles is not possible. Radar, flight control system, data link and other important systems of LCA, are from different countries of the various manufacturers, cannot completely solve the compatibility problems. All kinds of faults and defects of LCA the principle of fundamental reason emerge in an endless stream, it is unable to grasp all equipment, simple combination stack can only bring unpredictable disaster.

JF-17B can use the SD-10 type active radar guidance production China BVR missiles and PL-9 type infrared guided short-range combat missile, C-802AK various anti-ship and anti radiation missile, Lei Shi series of laser guided bombs, bombs, and other anti runway submunition to attack weapons. Also to air missiles and land use \/ to ship missiles, the Russian air and is compatible with a variety of air in Israel, the United States and NATO standard to air missiles and anti-ship missiles to \/.

JF-17B the high compatibility of weapons to the country, to the Pakistani air force logistics supply has brought great benefits for the national defense budget is limited. The fierce dragon fighter series from Pakistan to build, the radar, flight control system, data chain integration is very perfect, Pakistan to the fierce dragon flight quality and operational effectiveness are very satisfied.

Through continuous upgrading and transformation of the two countries, JF-17C will change China advanced engine and active phased array radar, its comprehensive combat capability will be a great leap forward.


In summary, due to the huge gap between the comprehensive national strength of India and Pakistan, the air force in the quality and quantity of the high-end fighter is in a great disadvantage. Pakistan Air Force in order to make up for the defect of high-end fighter, only in the low-end fighter equipment and use to increase efforts.

In the premise of procurement budget, Pakistan Air Force Equipment of Xiaolong fighter series, both the absolute number or the overall ability, greatly surpass India equipment LCA series aircraft. The India air force has always been ambitious and eager to become a fighter LCA style, after thirty years of work was still unable to form combat.

But Pakistan insist on sincere cooperation, pragmatic principles, the fierce dragon fighter Series in a relatively short period of time, the formation of a strong fighting force.


India has good human and financial resources, in the process of development and equipment LCA fighter, despite their own scientific and technological level and manufacturing capacity, unrealistic to improve the performance of aircraft targets. The result is that the design of a program to change, domestic equipment is not up to the design requirements, the introduction of the western advanced equipment and systems, and ultimately lead to LCA fighter has become a failure of the pilot.

Chinese air force in 60s and 70s also made the same mistake, leading to a variety of blind ambitious fighter is aborted in the design stage. Chinese in the aviation industry as a warning for the future after re start from the internal training, to lay a good foundation to start, after a long time of unremitting efforts, finally ushered in the outbreak of domestic aircraft performance and combat capability.

China and India are very different from the aviation industry development experience, it is worth all determined to develop a strong air force in the country's profound thinking.
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He is praising LCA OR criticizing it , he is calling it good when he is writing the specs but giving the verdict against it. Only for target audience doing false propoganda.
 
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if JF-17 is so good why does PLAAF operate hundreds of J-7s ? It is not hard to replace them at $20 million per aircraft
i could have sworn the jf-17 was designed for pakistan, if its designed for pakistan and for there "specific" needs why would china even buy it. its range is enough to justify why they should not even consider such an option considering the size of the country.
 
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PLAAF is operating hundreds of J-7s which are MiG-21s
you are telling me that some how the JF-17 is not good enough to replace them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory

i can draw one of two conclusions
China's engine technology is bad. jf-17 without RD-93 is not good for PLAAF

JF-17 is not a great aircraft

LCA has a US engine, so why arn't they inducting Tejas? It also has Israeli Avionics, so why aren't the Israelis inducting it?

For a person whos username is "wiseone" that is a very unwise question and reeks of jealousy and hatred. It can't be ignorance as everyone knows and has been mentioned numerous times that JF-17 doesn't fit the requirements of PLAAF, but for someone with 3800+ posts to bring this up again, well what can say........
 
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LCA has a US engine, so why arn't they inducting Tejas? It also has Israeli Avionics, so why aren't the Israelis inducting it?

For a person whos username is "wiseone" that is a very unwise question and reeks of jealousy and hatred. It can't be ignorance as everyone knows and has been mentioned numerous times that JF-17 doesn't fit the requirements of PLAAF, but for someone with 3800+ posts to bring this up again, well what can say........

USA and Israel does not have the Tejas airframe and other IP to induct it
China has everything needed to build the JF-17
 
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